Ravel Morrison (Only football related)

Fiskey · 15th January 2011, 12:11

Its a real shame if he throws away his talent, he's got such a great opportunity to be a fantastic player.

Top · 15th January 2011, 12:12

Twitter, I hate it.

Fiskey · 15th January 2011, 12:15

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Originally Posted by Top

Twitter, I hate it.

Yeah does seem a medium for people to make up utter shite and have it believed.

Devils Advocate · 15th January 2011, 12:23

To be honest i think twitter helps with things like that. These reumours would have still happened on websites etc, twitter helps clarify if something is true a lot quicker IMO. Anyway, good news if he's not suspended.

Mr. MUJAC · 15th January 2011, 12:27

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Originally Posted by Fiskey

Yeah does seem a medium for people to make up utter shite and have it believed.

As opposed to talking about it in a pub?

Top · 15th January 2011, 12:30

Well naturally it works both ways. It's a quick way to stop a wildfire of rumours.
Unfortunately more often than not Twitter itself is the cause for the wildfire, where as before you'd just have a couple small barn fires here and there from spastics on forums and in pubs.

I can see the upside of Twitter when it relates to a bit a of victimless transfer muppetry fun and the like, but I can't stand how effective it is in making untrue rumours about a young player seem like gospel within a couple minutes.

That being said, I also wouldn't take Ogden's word as gospel.

datura · 15th January 2011, 12:36

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Originally Posted by RedRichio

Well if the list of offenses claimed by the itk chap on red issue are true I doubt he'll play for us again, particularly if he goes down, which seems to be quite likely.

So you think he's likely to go down even though you don't know if the list of offences are true? Great logic at work there.

datura · 15th January 2011, 12:41

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Originally Posted by Top

Well naturally it works both ways. It's a quick way to stop a wildfire of rumours.
Unfortunately more often than not Twitter itself is the cause for the wildfire, where as before you'd just have a couple small barn fires here and there from spastics on forums and in pubs.

I can see the upside of Twitter when it relates to a bit a of victimless transfer muppetry fun and the like, but I can't stand how effective it is in making untrue rumours about a young player seem like gospel within a couple minutes.

That being said, I also wouldn't take Ogden's word as gospel.

A lot of the rumours seem be coming from one source on twitter (who was wrong last time) and who doesn't seem to like Morrison. He seems quite bitter hence why I don't particularly take his word for gospel but unfortunately a lot of people seem to follow him and as such these rumours propagate even further and are taken as fact. I wouldn't be surprised if it is him on RI either.

It's these type of situations that I think that maybe this sub-forum should be only visible by members.

datura · 15th January 2011, 12:43

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Originally Posted by Mr. MUJAC

As opposed to talking about it in a pub?

The difference is that the pub is localised, whereas anyone worldwide can follow some numpty spewing out rubbish on twitter who present themselves as some kind of authority and people believe them.

x42bn6 · 15th January 2011, 13:06

Nobody would take Justin Bieber seriously in a bar...

Red Defence · 15th January 2011, 13:37

I doubt that anyone posting on here would like to read these sort of rumours about themselves broadcast around the world and we should think of that as we post.

Not only is he just a young lad but he's our young lad. In cases such as this it's better to leave the rumours alone.

Transfer United Till I Die · 15th January 2011, 13:45

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Originally Posted by datura

So you think he's likely to go down even though you don't know if the list of offences are true? Great logic at work there.

Sorry, I wasnt clear enough. It is alleged by that person that the club expect him to receive a custodial sentence for the offence for which he is supposedly in court this week. Im sure you post on there so you know who he is and that he's the only one on there with accepted credibility.

Transfer United Till I Die · 15th January 2011, 13:50

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Originally Posted by datura

A lot of the rumours seem be coming from one source on twitter (who was wrong last time) and who doesn't seem to like Morrison. He seems quite bitter hence why I don't particularly take his word for gospel but unfortunately a lot of people seem to follow him and as such these rumours propagate even further and are taken as fact. I wouldn't be surprised if it is him on RI either.

It's these type of situations that I think that maybe this sub-forum should be only visible by members.

Who is that person on twitter? Ive noticed one individual who seems to have an axe to grind.

Id love Morrison to achieve all he can in the game and from what Ive seen of him he has that rare genius in some of the things he does that mark him out as a future potential star. Its also clear from his past record and his own old facebook page that he's a bit of a plank and it would be a real shame if he throws it all away. Even if he's not too keen on the game itself, plenty of people do jobs they dont adore for a good wage and when the potential income is as great as his potentially is he'd be an utter mong not to give his best to achieve it.

Red Defence · 15th January 2011, 14:04

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Originally Posted by RedRichio

Who is that person on twitter? Ive noticed one individual who seems to have an axe to grind.

Id love Morrison to achieve all he can in the game and from what Ive seen of him he has that rare genius in some of the things he does that mark him out as a future potential star. Its also clear from his past record and his own old facebook page that he's a bit of a plank and it would be a real shame if he throws it all away. Even if he's not too keen on the game itself, plenty of people do jobs they dont adore for a good wage and when the potential income is as great as his potentially is he'd be an utter mong not to give his best to achieve it.

Is he not particularly interested in football?

cw1984 · 15th January 2011, 14:31

Does anyone know what he's suppose to have done?

TheReligion · 15th January 2011, 14:37

Ditto, whats the lad been upto

Red Defence · 15th January 2011, 14:38

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Originally Posted by cw1984

Does anyone know what he's suppose to have done?

Have you read the last few posts?

M160RA · 15th January 2011, 14:48

I'm getting a strange sense of deja vu? Wasn't he rumoured to be suspended about a year ago?

Dresilved · 15th January 2011, 14:50

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Originally Posted by RedRichio

Well if the list of offenses claimed by the itk chap on red issue are true I doubt he'll play for us again, particularly if he goes down, which seems to be quite likely.

PM me too please!

cw1984 · 15th January 2011, 15:38

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Originally Posted by Red Defence

Have you read the last few posts?

Have you?

I can't see anything in them listing any alleged offences.

Feel free to point them out.

cw1984 · 15th January 2011, 15:40

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Originally Posted by M160RA

I'm getting a strange sense of deja vu? Wasn't he rumoured to be suspended about a year ago?

IIRC he was arrested in 2009 for possesion of a fire arm.

Mainoldo · 15th January 2011, 16:01

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Originally Posted by cw1984

Have you?

I can't see anything in them listing any alleged offences.

Feel free to point them out.

Me too!!

Red Dreams · 15th January 2011, 16:03

They are comparing this lad to Giggs...bloody ell.

hope this is all nonsense.

we have him and a number of very exciting lads coming through.

datura · 15th January 2011, 16:19

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Originally Posted by cw1984

IIRC he was arrested in 2009 for possesion of a fire arm.

I don't think that's quite right, and don't think it's fair to elaborate on a public forum.

Feed Me · 15th January 2011, 16:21

Can someone PM me the list of alleged offences?

datura · 15th January 2011, 16:30

Christ, the vultures really are circling this thread!

FWIW apparently the revised line is that he has been 'suspended' (MUFC deny this) for missing training.

KM · 15th January 2011, 16:37

Not sure about this alleged offences, just only read about one offence on RI. Although I didn't have read their whole thread as it was quite gigantic in size.

Red Defence · 15th January 2011, 17:14

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Originally Posted by cw1984

Have you?

I can't see anything in them listing any alleged offences.

Feel free to point them out.

Hopefully you won't see anything either.

As you can see people purposely haven't posted them because they're only "alleged" by someone and so to post them would be unfair to the lad wouldn't it.

Mr. MUJAC · 15th January 2011, 17:28

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Originally Posted by RedRichio

Who is that person on twitter? Ive noticed one individual who seems to have an axe to grind.

Id love Morrison to achieve all he can in the game and from what Ive seen of him he has that rare genius in some of the things he does that mark him out as a future potential star. Its also clear from his past record and his own old facebook page that he's a bit of a plank and it would be a real shame if he throws it all away. Even if he's not too keen on the game itself, plenty of people do jobs they dont adore for a good wage and when the potential income is as great as his potentially is he'd be an utter mong not to give his best to achieve it.

Who exactly are we talking about?

datura · 15th January 2011, 17:53

I thought it was fairly clear? I think I mentioned his twitter account on another page but don't really want be directing more traffic his way by posting it again.

Mr. MUJAC · 15th January 2011, 18:12

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Originally Posted by datura

I thought it was fairly clear? I think I mentioned his twitter account on another page but don't really want be directing more traffic his way by posting it again.

Cheers!

I know who you mean and know this person. His sources are very solid and he is a long standing supporter who hates United's name being dragged through the mud.

United have been very inconsistent with managing Morrison's problems in relation to other juniors and this can be frustrating for some.

If it was an isolated rumour then I would agree with most of the sentiment about airing views on Twitter or any other communication forum.

However, there have been too many instances with Morrison...two of which have been reported in the national press. So that is hardly spreading a rumour.

datura · 15th January 2011, 18:22

I think the difference is that you are discussing in public the private life of a 17 year old who has only got the exposure due to the club he's at and his obvious talent.

It can go either way for him, but while he's still at the club it is my opinion that people should be supportive, or at least not be fuelling the fire, even if they have what they perceive (and may well be true) good grounds for their opinions.

Mr. MUJAC · 15th January 2011, 18:43

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Originally Posted by datura

I think the difference is that you are discussing in public the private life of a 17 year old who has only got the exposure due to the club he's at and his obvious talent.

It can go either way for him, but while he's still at the club it is my opinion that people should be supportive, or at least not be fuelling the fire, even if they have what they perceive (and may well be true) good grounds for their opinions.

That's the point. The second you become a footballer these days you give up a private life. If he was a crap player then would everyone be supportive? If it was a first team player would everyone be supportive.

I believe that I am a pretty reasonable and fair person willing to look for the positive in most situations....with particular emphasis on supporting youth players.

But it is a two way street....the players have a responsibility too.

Forget football for a minute...if this was the behaviour of any other 17 year-old then.......?

Supportive or over-supportive?

And when does supportive turn into protective?

This is a hard issue for many fans and it divides opinions....

M160RA · 15th January 2011, 18:56

Maybe the best thing for him would be to send him on loan to Belgium or something. It would be a shame if he threw away his career because of peer pressure.

Kraftwerker · 15th January 2011, 18:59

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Originally Posted by M160RA

Maybe the best thing for him would be to send him on loan to Belgium or something. It would be a shame if he through away his career because of peer pressure.

Not a bad idea.

Would certainly see if he's serious about being a footballer or not.

datura · 15th January 2011, 19:00

@ MUJAC

From a personal point of view at 17 you are still maturing as a person so people be more understanding, even if there is history, especially when they are unlikely to know him personally (he seems popular with his teammates) or his background.

I dislike the intrusion into player's privacy these days, I think it is destructive and people have an unhealthy interest (I am probably old school in my views though I'll readily admit) in strangers who happen to be in the public eye.

Just look at all the people who never post in here who are asking for PM's about his alleged incidents in the past.

anything about now · 15th January 2011, 21:31

Send him to the MLS he will be cherished there.

cw1984 · 16th January 2011, 09:42

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Originally Posted by datura

I don't think that's quite right, and don't think it's fair to elaborate on a public forum.

Nonsense. No-one is accusing him of anything. In 2009 he was stopped in a car and he was questioned with some friends under the firearms act and misuse of drugs act. Or at least that's what was reported by news papers at the time.

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Originally Posted by datura

Christ, the vultures really are circling this thread!

FWIW apparently the revised line is that he has been 'suspended' (MUFC deny this) for missing training.

Stop being so melodramatic. It's not about vultures circling more like fans being interested in one of our young players that may have fell in with the wrong crowd and got himself into trouble.

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Originally Posted by Red Defence

Hopefully you won't see anything either.

As you can see people purposely haven't posted them because they're only "alleged" by someone and so to post them would be unfair to the lad wouldn't it.

Well it should be all or nothing. If people want to protect him by not posting the alleged offences then they shouldn't post about it at all because it does nothing but peddle the rumour mill.

datura · 16th January 2011, 11:14

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Originally Posted by cw1984

Nonsense. No-one is accusing him of anything. In 2009 he was stopped in a car and he was questioned with some friends under the firearms act and misuse of drugs act. Or at least that's what was reported by news papers at the time.

You said he was arrested for possession of a firearm and now you've changed it to something far less definitive which was my point

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Originally Posted by cw1984

Stop being so melodramatic. It's not about vultures circling more like fans being interested in one of our young players that may have fell in with the wrong crowd and got himself into trouble.

Actually, you've pretty much just contradicted yourself there in one sentence.

I've noticed you far more recently then before and your tag seems pretty fitting. Another for the ignore list.

cw1984 · 16th January 2011, 11:21

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Originally Posted by datura

Which isn't exactly possession of a firearm is it genius? You could be in a car completely unknowing that there was a gun in the car boot (if that's what it was).

And if that was the case you would be arrested and questioned over the possesion of a fire arm. I don't know if he was guilty or not. I'm guessing not.

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Originally Posted by datura

Rubbish, people with no previous interest just want the gossip, there would be no interest otherwise.

I've never shown an interest in Morrison on this board but have no interest in gossiping. It's simply wanting to know what 1 of our promising young talent has possibly been up to which could drag the name of the club through the mud.

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15th January 2011, 12:11	#161 (permalink)
Fiskey Can't stop thinking about David Nugent's hot naked body Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oxford Posts: 2,261	Its a real shame if he throws away his talent, he's got such a great opportunity to be a fantastic player.

15th January 2011, 12:12	#162 (permalink)
Top Admin Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 23,558	Twitter, I hate it.

15th January 2011, 12:23	#164 (permalink)
Devils Advocate Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,504	To be honest i think twitter helps with things like that. These reumours would have still happened on websites etc, twitter helps clarify if something is true a lot quicker IMO. Anyway, good news if he's not suspended.

15th January 2011, 12:30	#166 (permalink)
Top Admin Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 23,558	Well naturally it works both ways. It's a quick way to stop a wildfire of rumours. Unfortunately more often than not Twitter itself is the cause for the wildfire, where as before you'd just have a couple small barn fires here and there from spastics on forums and in pubs. I can see the upside of Twitter when it relates to a bit a of victimless transfer muppetry fun and the like, but I can't stand how effective it is in making untrue rumours about a young player seem like gospel within a couple minutes. That being said, I also wouldn't take Ogden's word as gospel.

15th January 2011, 13:06	#170 (permalink)
x42bn6 First Team Regular Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: 西田麻衣の谷間. Being a nerd, geek and virgin Posts: 17,358	Nobody would take Justin Bieber seriously in a bar...

15th January 2011, 13:37	#171 (permalink)
Red Defence First Team Sub Join Date: May 2009 Location: “United stands for attacking, attractive football played at high speed, with one-touch passing combinations, individual skill and unpredictability. That’s all conducted at pace, with intent.” Posts: 7,636	I doubt that anyone posting on here would like to read these sort of rumours about themselves broadcast around the world and we should think of that as we post. Not only is he just a young lad but he's our young lad. In cases such as this it's better to leave the rumours alone.

15th January 2011, 14:31	#175 (permalink)
cw1984 Compulsive wanker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Guiding Cardiff to the promised land just so I can wipe that smug fucking grin of Cider's face. Posts: 24,006	Does anyone know what he's suppose to have done?

15th January 2011, 14:37	#176 (permalink)
TheReligion First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,461	Ditto, whats the lad been upto

15th January 2011, 14:48	#178 (permalink)
M160RA First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5,046	I'm getting a strange sense of deja vu? Wasn't he rumoured to be suspended about a year ago?

15th January 2011, 16:03	#183 (permalink)
Red Dreams First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Thunder Road to Old Trafford Posts: 23,454	They are comparing this lad to Giggs...bloody ell. hope this is all nonsense. we have him and a number of very exciting lads coming through.

15th January 2011, 16:21	#185 (permalink)
Feed Me I'm hungry Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Berbatov has Cantona’s knack of being the man amid a stampede towards the door who stops to notice a side exit that nobody else has seen. Posts: 19,732	Can someone PM me the list of alleged offences?

15th January 2011, 16:30	#186 (permalink)
datura First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: so it goes Posts: 9,135	Christ, the vultures really are circling this thread! FWIW apparently the revised line is that he has been 'suspended' (MUFC deny this) for missing training.

15th January 2011, 16:37	#187 (permalink)
KM First Team Regular Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Q.P.R Posts: 14,862	Not sure about this alleged offences, just only read about one offence on RI. Although I didn't have read their whole thread as it was quite gigantic in size.

15th January 2011, 17:53	#190 (permalink)
datura First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: so it goes Posts: 9,135	I thought it was fairly clear? I think I mentioned his twitter account on another page but don't really want be directing more traffic his way by posting it again.

15th January 2011, 18:22	#192 (permalink)
datura First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: so it goes Posts: 9,135	I think the difference is that you are discussing in public the private life of a 17 year old who has only got the exposure due to the club he's at and his obvious talent. It can go either way for him, but while he's still at the club it is my opinion that people should be supportive, or at least not be fuelling the fire, even if they have what they perceive (and may well be true) good grounds for their opinions.

15th January 2011, 18:56	#194 (permalink)
M160RA First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5,046	Maybe the best thing for him would be to send him on loan to Belgium or something. It would be a shame if he threw away his career because of peer pressure.

15th January 2011, 19:00	#196 (permalink)
datura First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: so it goes Posts: 9,135	@ MUJAC From a personal point of view at 17 you are still maturing as a person so people be more understanding, even if there is history, especially when they are unlikely to know him personally (he seems popular with his teammates) or his background. I dislike the intrusion into player's privacy these days, I think it is destructive and people have an unhealthy interest (I am probably old school in my views though I'll readily admit) in strangers who happen to be in the public eye. Just look at all the people who never post in here who are asking for PM's about his alleged incidents in the past.

15th January 2011, 21:31	#197 (permalink)
anything about now MUFC lad living in a matriel world Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Has an air of inevitibility about it. Fuck - Guz-kop on rawk @ Utd 2-2 Villa Posts: 6,103	Send him to the MLS he will be cherished there.