Youth Cup

datura · 13th November 2009, 13:09

We've drawn Birmingham at home

MAN UTD TRIP FOR YOUNG BLUES

Youth Cup logoBlues have been drawn away to Manchester United in the third round of this season's FA Youth Cup.

Although it is probably the hardest possible tie that Blues could have faced, Academy manager Terry Westley has described it as a "great draw" and says it will be a good opportunity for his players to test themselves.

"It's a great draw for us," Westley told bcfc.com

"We've been picked out against one of the biggest clubs in Europe.

"In youth development and with the players they produce and the way they go about things it's easily one of the best clubs.

"So for our boys to go up there and pit themselves against their best players will be a terrific challenge for us.

"We've had some good runs in the past three seasons but this will be the severest of tests, but one that our players should really be looking forward to.

"We've got some good young players of our own with the likes of Ashley Sammons, Mitch McPike and Jordon Mutch who are all England under 19 squad players, as well as the England under 17 goalkeeper Jack Butland."

Westley is hopeful that because it is two top flight teams who have been drawn together that Manchester United may elect to use Old Trafford as the venue for the tie.

"I know that Manchester United have got permission to play at other grounds - Northwich I think, but they may decide that because it's a Premiership club against a Premiership club to play it at Old Trafford," he said.

"I know they did that last year when they played against Chelsea.

"Whether our manager (Alex McLeish) can have any influence with Sir Alex we'll have to see, but wherever we play it's a great chance for our youngsters."

The third round FA Youth Cup games sponsored by E.ON must be completed by 12 December 2009 and the full draw is:
1 Manchester United v Birmingham City

2 Derby County v Peterborough United
3 Middlesbrough v Everton
4 Wigan Athletic v Tottenham Hotspur
5 Cheltenham Town v Reading
6 Nottingham Forest v Bury Town or Macclesfield Town
7 Milton Keynes Dons v Swindon Town or Leyton Orient or Bishop's Stortford
8 Shrewsbury Town or Morecambe v Hull City
9 Watford v St Albans City or Wycombe Wanderers
10 Liverpool v Wolverhampton Wanderers
11 Notts County or Hartlepool United v Sheffield United
12 Crystal Palace v Bristol City
13 Stockport County or Carlton Town v Fulham
14 Preston North End v Manchester City
15 Cardiff City v Barnsley
16 Torquay United or Norwich City v Millwall or Oxford United
17 Arsenal v Bradford City or Crewe Alexandra
18 Tranmere Rovers v Ipswich Town
or Cambridge United
19 Scunthorpe United v Burnley
20 Plymouth Argyle v West Ham United
21 Portsmouth v Huddersfield Town or Atherstone Town
22 Northampton Town or Chesterfield v Brighton & Hove Albion or Ebbsfleet United
23 Sheffield Wednesday v Sunderland
24 Aston Villa v Oldham Athletic or Rochdale
25 York City or Carlisle United v Stoke City
26 Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion
27 Coventry City v Leicester City
28 Bolton Wanderers v AFC Wimbledon or AFC Bournemouth
29 Blackburn Rovers v Blackpool
30 Charlton Athletic or Woking v Chelsea
31 Doncaster Rovers v Newcastle United
32 Queens Park Rangers v Southampton or Hereford United

PS18 · 13th November 2009, 14:11

Not a bad draw, hopefully we might get a bit of a run this year.

datura · 13th November 2009, 15:31

Let's hope so. It's been a bit of an inconsistent season from us this year to date, but with a virtually fully fit squad to pick from (excluding the unfortunate Hussein) we should have the resources to make a good run and there isn't really a weak link.

Decotron · 13th November 2009, 15:52

Arsenal and Chelsea have potentiall tricky fixtures.

We are due a large fucking slice of luck in this competition.

samabachan · 13th November 2009, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decotron

Arsenal and Chelsea have potentiall tricky fixtures.

We are due a large fucking slice of luck in this competition.

I disagree. The teams that have produced large numbers of top class players for their first teams (think Carrick, Cole, Ferdinand etc at West Ham or Woodgate, Bowyer etc for Leeds) have steamrollered pretty much everyone they have played in the tourny, no matter the quality. I mean, that exceptional West Ham team won 8-0 in the final (I think), so if we can take on the best and beat them, it's a much better sign than a few years ago when we were scraping through 1-0 and 2-1 - I think we even went to penalties in the semi if I remember rightly.

Also, what's the team likely to be? I'm guessing something like

Devlin
Massacci-Thorpe-Wootton-Fryers
Tunnicliffe-Pogba-Petrucci
King-Cofie-Keane or Ajose-Keane-King

?

PS18 · 13th November 2009, 17:02

Think that's a bit (maybe very) simplistic. Just as an example, our 1993 finalists (inc. Scholes, Beckham, Neville x2, Butt, Gillespie, Savage etc) didn't beat anyone notable en route to the final and only just scraped through a semi-final against Millwall before losing the final to Leeds. Any way you can get through the tournament is a positive and I don't believe steamrollering everyone or scraping through the rounds makes any real difference.

That said, don't think we can claim to have been particularly unlucky recently, only had ourselves to blame for the Carlisle upset and we were the architects of our own downfall vs Chelsea, even if it was a tricky draw. Would say we're more due a run in the competition rather than any luck.

Chirag · 16th November 2009, 08:25

Can we make a list of all the players eligible?

lysglimt · 16th November 2009, 09:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decotron

Arsenal and Chelsea have potentiall tricky fixtures.

We are due a large fucking slice of luck in this competition.

Liverpool as well - they lost to Wolves in the league last weekend

PS18 · 16th November 2009, 09:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chirag

Can we make a list of all the players eligible?

It's just the usual U18 squad plus King and Reece Brown.

Devlin, Johnstone
Brown, Massacci, M Keane, Fornasier, McGinty, Thorpe, Wootton, Fryers, Giverin
Cole, Morrison, Hussain, Tunnicliffe, Pogba, Petrucci, Brady
King, Cofie, W Keane, Lingard, Ajose

Escobar · 16th November 2009, 10:05

Some outstanding talent in there, will be interesting to watch!

Decotron · 16th November 2009, 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by PS18

It's just the usual U18 squad plus King and Reece Brown.

Devlin, Johnstone
Brown, Massacci, M Keane, Fornasier, McGinty, Thorpe, Wootton, Fryers, Giverin, Cole, Morrison, Hussain, Tunnicliffe, Pogba, Petrucci, Brady
King, Cofie, W Keane, Lingard, Ajose

I presume thats Luke Giverin? Not a player Ive seen much of, what type of defender is he?

Mr. MUJAC · 20th November 2009, 19:16

10th of December at Altrincham

lysglimt · 20th November 2009, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by PS18

It's just the usual U18 squad plus King and Reece Brown.

Devlin, Johnstone
Brown, Massacci, M Keane, Fornasier, McGinty, Thorpe, Wootton, Fryers, Giverin
Cole, Morrison, Hussain, Tunnicliffe, Pogba, Petrucci, Brady
King, Cofie, W Keane, Lingard, Ajose

For the 4th round we can actually play Adem Ljajic as well - if we want

samabachan · 20th November 2009, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by lysglimt

For the 4th round we can actually play Adem Ljajic as well - if we want

Assuming we make it that far, of course!

datura · 20th November 2009, 22:17

Birmingham have a decent record in the youth cup of late so it will be a difficult game for us. I might try and make it for this one.

lysglimt · 21st November 2009, 08:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by samabachan

Assuming we make it that far, of course!

Yeah I thought about adding that but I don't think people think that I take that for granted.

As for Birminghams academy - they have a lousy form in the league. I know it can happen - but I would consider it a gigantic failure if we lose at home to them!

jb8521 · 26th November 2009, 21:22

According to Les Kershaw on young gifted and red united are certain to be without brown and brady and probably king and may also be without massacci, fornasier and a few more for this game which is a pity

Girish II · 27th November 2009, 10:11

With this game being two weeks away, this looks like an injury crisis. They had to call on a couple of 19 year olds for the academy win last weekend so that would be close to 3 weeks out for most of these lads.

lysglimt · 27th November 2009, 13:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Girish II

With this game being two weeks away, this looks like an injury crisis. They had to call on a couple of 19 year olds for the academy win last weekend so that would be close to 3 weeks out for most of these lads.

Still disposed of Liverpool without too much problems

datura · 27th November 2009, 13:20

Hussein was back in training so he might be available, which would mean Tunnicliffe maybe at right back. Luckily we have quite a lot of good options at this level.

Elliott · 27th November 2009, 14:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by datura

Hussein was back in training so he might be available, which would mean Tunnicliffe maybe at right back. Luckily we have quite a lot of good options at this level.

Source? Any word on when the other lads are back or what kind of injuries they're struggling with?

Decotron · 27th November 2009, 14:36

Tis grand, Thorpe and McGinty were fantastic at the weekend. Especially McGinty, esaily his best performace. Thorpe seems so consistant. Even Gill has improved alot of late. There might be hope for me yet!

Elliott · 27th November 2009, 14:52

You're Oliver Gill?

datura · 27th November 2009, 15:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elliott

Source? Any word on when the other lads are back or what kind of injuries they're struggling with?

They mentioned it on the commentary for the Academy game v Liverpool. I have no idea about the others.

samabachan · 3rd December 2009, 10:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by lysglimt

For the 4th round we can actually play Adem Ljajic as well - if we want

Hm, seems like we can't, after all

datura · 3rd December 2009, 19:09

Apparently City were knocked out at the weekend by Preston!

And on MUTV Gary Neville is going to be the co-commentator which is usually pretty interesting.

lysglimt · 3rd December 2009, 19:22

The results so far

Liverpool vs Wolves 2-0

MK Dons - Leyton Orient 1-3

Watford - Wycombe 3-0

Hartlepool - Sheffield U 2-1

Tranmere - Ipswich 0-2

Coventry - Leicester 2-3

Doncaster - Newcastle 0-3

Matlock - Witton Albion 4-3

Swansea - WBA 0-3

Cardiff - Barnsley 1-2

Preston - Manchester City 2-1

datura · 3rd December 2009, 19:25

After the way Liverpool played against us the other week compared to the performance of Wolves earlier in the season that result is a bit of a surprise.

Decotron · 7th December 2009, 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by datura

Apparently City were knocked out at the weekend by Preston!

And on MUTV Gary Neville is going to be the co-commentator which is usually pretty interesting.

Excellent, him and Paddy should form their own TV channel.

Girish II · 10th December 2009, 13:36

Quote:

Youth Cup tie tonight

United's bid to win the FA Youth Cup begins tonight (Thursday) when the Reds host Birmingham City in the third round.

The eagerly-anticipated tie kicks off at 19:00 GMT at Altrincham's Moss Lane ground and will be shown live on MUTV. After bowing out to Chelsea at this stage last season, the young Reds are determined to go further this year.

"The academy league is important and we want to do well there, but there’s a lot of history to the Youth Cup," says United winger Robbie Brady.

"People say every year that we have a shot at doing well, but this year we really have. We’ve got a strong side and if we play to our potential I’m sure we’ll go far."

Brady will unfortunately miss the match through injury, but there'll still be selection dilemmas for United youth coach Paul McGuinness.

“Everyone wants to play in the Youth Cup," adds Brady.

"It’ll be tough for Paul to pick a team because everyone wants to take the chance to show what they can do and we have a lot of good players."

Look out for a match report on ManUtd.com shortly after full-time.

Youth Cup tie tonight - Manchester United Official Web Site

No teams news

MPTutd · 10th December 2009, 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by datura

Apparently City were knocked out at the weekend by Preston!

And on MUTV Gary Neville is going to be the co-commentator which is usually pretty interesting.

No, Arthur Albiston is apparently.

datura · 10th December 2009, 13:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by MPTutd

No, Arthur Albiston is apparently.

That must have have changed from last week then as it was anounced on Young Gifted and Red by David Stowell.

MPTutd · 10th December 2009, 15:49

Read it on the United website earlier. On the 'Today at Old Trafford' section I think.

Decotron · 10th December 2009, 15:51

Just heard Neville will be commentator again............in 2 weeks!!!

lysglimt · 10th December 2009, 17:09

Please send a stream if you have one (when the match starts)

Elliott · 10th December 2009, 18:28

I doubt there are any, lysglimt. I've been looking around, no luck.

datura · 10th December 2009, 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by MPTutd

Read it on the United website earlier. On the 'Today at Old Trafford' section I think.

That's a shame, he's usually pretty entertaining and a bit more relaxed and open than you normally see in interviews.

And even more biased than Paddy!

datura · 10th December 2009, 18:39

Team News:

1. Devlin
2. Fornasier
3. McGinty
4. Thorpe
5. Wootton
6. Tunnicliffe
7. Morrison
8. Pogba
9. Keane
10. Petrucci
11. Ajose

Subs:
12. Cole
13. Johnstone
14. Lingard
15. Cofie
16. Massacci

datura · 10th December 2009, 18:41

Birmingham:

1. Butland
2. Dunphy
3. Rowe
4. Mutch
5. Packwood
6. Preston
7. Hubbins
8. McPike
9. Jervis
10. Sammons
11. Asante

Subs:
12. Redmond
13. Daniels
14. Hronec
15. Bogle
16. Ntanmbwe

MPTutd · 10th December 2009, 18:41

Good team that. Obviously missing the likes of Brady, King and Brown from its first X1, but strong nevertheless.

13th November 2009, 13:09	#1 (permalink)
datura First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: so it goes Posts: 9,135	Youth Cup We've drawn Birmingham at home MAN UTD TRIP FOR YOUNG BLUES Youth Cup logoBlues have been drawn away to Manchester United in the third round of this season's FA Youth Cup. Although it is probably the hardest possible tie that Blues could have faced, Academy manager Terry Westley has described it as a "great draw" and says it will be a good opportunity for his players to test themselves. "It's a great draw for us," Westley told bcfc.com "We've been picked out against one of the biggest clubs in Europe. "In youth development and with the players they produce and the way they go about things it's easily one of the best clubs. "So for our boys to go up there and pit themselves against their best players will be a terrific challenge for us. "We've had some good runs in the past three seasons but this will be the severest of tests, but one that our players should really be looking forward to. "We've got some good young players of our own with the likes of Ashley Sammons, Mitch McPike and Jordon Mutch who are all England under 19 squad players, as well as the England under 17 goalkeeper Jack Butland." Westley is hopeful that because it is two top flight teams who have been drawn together that Manchester United may elect to use Old Trafford as the venue for the tie. "I know that Manchester United have got permission to play at other grounds - Northwich I think, but they may decide that because it's a Premiership club against a Premiership club to play it at Old Trafford," he said. "I know they did that last year when they played against Chelsea. "Whether our manager (Alex McLeish) can have any influence with Sir Alex we'll have to see, but wherever we play it's a great chance for our youngsters." The third round FA Youth Cup games sponsored by E.ON must be completed by 12 December 2009 and the full draw is: 1 Manchester United v Birmingham City 2 Derby County v Peterborough United 3 Middlesbrough v Everton 4 Wigan Athletic v Tottenham Hotspur 5 Cheltenham Town v Reading 6 Nottingham Forest v Bury Town or Macclesfield Town 7 Milton Keynes Dons v Swindon Town or Leyton Orient or Bishop's Stortford 8 Shrewsbury Town or Morecambe v Hull City 9 Watford v St Albans City or Wycombe Wanderers 10 Liverpool v Wolverhampton Wanderers 11 Notts County or Hartlepool United v Sheffield United 12 Crystal Palace v Bristol City 13 Stockport County or Carlton Town v Fulham 14 Preston North End v Manchester City 15 Cardiff City v Barnsley 16 Torquay United or Norwich City v Millwall or Oxford United 17 Arsenal v Bradford City or Crewe Alexandra 18 Tranmere Rovers v Ipswich Town or Cambridge United 19 Scunthorpe United v Burnley 20 Plymouth Argyle v West Ham United 21 Portsmouth v Huddersfield Town or Atherstone Town 22 Northampton Town or Chesterfield v Brighton & Hove Albion or Ebbsfleet United 23 Sheffield Wednesday v Sunderland 24 Aston Villa v Oldham Athletic or Rochdale 25 York City or Carlisle United v Stoke City 26 Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion 27 Coventry City v Leicester City 28 Bolton Wanderers v AFC Wimbledon or AFC Bournemouth 29 Blackburn Rovers v Blackpool 30 Charlton Athletic or Woking v Chelsea 31 Doncaster Rovers v Newcastle United 32 Queens Park Rangers v Southampton or Hereford United

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13th November 2009, 14:11	#2 (permalink)
PS18 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ruud ftw Posts: 2,075	Not a bad draw, hopefully we might get a bit of a run this year.

13th November 2009, 15:31	#3 (permalink)
datura First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: so it goes Posts: 9,135	Let's hope so. It's been a bit of an inconsistent season from us this year to date, but with a virtually fully fit squad to pick from (excluding the unfortunate Hussein) we should have the resources to make a good run and there isn't really a weak link.

13th November 2009, 15:52	#4 (permalink)
Decotron First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: I am not a man......................I am Cantona Posts: 20,025	Arsenal and Chelsea have potentiall tricky fixtures. We are due a large fucking slice of luck in this competition.

13th November 2009, 17:02	#6 (permalink)
PS18 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ruud ftw Posts: 2,075	Think that's a bit (maybe very) simplistic. Just as an example, our 1993 finalists (inc. Scholes, Beckham, Neville x2, Butt, Gillespie, Savage etc) didn't beat anyone notable en route to the final and only just scraped through a semi-final against Millwall before losing the final to Leeds. Any way you can get through the tournament is a positive and I don't believe steamrollering everyone or scraping through the rounds makes any real difference. That said, don't think we can claim to have been particularly unlucky recently, only had ourselves to blame for the Carlisle upset and we were the architects of our own downfall vs Chelsea, even if it was a tricky draw. Would say we're more due a run in the competition rather than any luck.

16th November 2009, 08:25	#7 (permalink)
Chirag Euro '08 League Winner Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 6,725	Can we make a list of all the players eligible?

16th November 2009, 10:05	#10 (permalink)
Escobar Poster originally known as Michel04 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: "Collar turned up, back straight, chest stuck out, he glided into the arena as if he owned the fucking place" Posts: 16,490	Some outstanding talent in there, will be interesting to watch!

20th November 2009, 19:16	#12 (permalink)
Mr. MUJAC Talent spotter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Louis Rocca started it all... Posts: 3,900	10th of December at Altrincham

20th November 2009, 22:17	#15 (permalink)
datura First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: so it goes Posts: 9,135	Birmingham have a decent record in the youth cup of late so it will be a difficult game for us. I might try and make it for this one.

26th November 2009, 21:22	#17 (permalink)
jb8521 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Westmeath, Ireland Posts: 1,561	According to Les Kershaw on young gifted and red united are certain to be without brown and brady and probably king and may also be without massacci, fornasier and a few more for this game which is a pity

27th November 2009, 10:11	#18 (permalink)
Girish II First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Karaoke Posts: 7,418	With this game being two weeks away, this looks like an injury crisis. They had to call on a couple of 19 year olds for the academy win last weekend so that would be close to 3 weeks out for most of these lads.

27th November 2009, 13:20	#20 (permalink)
datura First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: so it goes Posts: 9,135	Hussein was back in training so he might be available, which would mean Tunnicliffe maybe at right back. Luckily we have quite a lot of good options at this level.

27th November 2009, 14:36	#22 (permalink)
Decotron First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: I am not a man......................I am Cantona Posts: 20,025	Tis grand, Thorpe and McGinty were fantastic at the weekend. Especially McGinty, esaily his best performace. Thorpe seems so consistant. Even Gill has improved alot of late. There might be hope for me yet!

27th November 2009, 14:52	#23 (permalink)
Elliott Likes Loan Stickies Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 8,532	You're Oliver Gill?

3rd December 2009, 19:09	#26 (permalink)
datura First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: so it goes Posts: 9,135	Apparently City were knocked out at the weekend by Preston! And on MUTV Gary Neville is going to be the co-commentator which is usually pretty interesting.

3rd December 2009, 19:22	#27 (permalink)
lysglimt Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,692	The results so far Liverpool vs Wolves 2-0 MK Dons - Leyton Orient 1-3 Watford - Wycombe 3-0 Hartlepool - Sheffield U 2-1 Tranmere - Ipswich 0-2 Coventry - Leicester 2-3 Doncaster - Newcastle 0-3 Matlock - Witton Albion 4-3 Swansea - WBA 0-3 Cardiff - Barnsley 1-2 Preston - Manchester City 2-1

3rd December 2009, 19:25	#28 (permalink)
datura First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: so it goes Posts: 9,135	After the way Liverpool played against us the other week compared to the performance of Wolves earlier in the season that result is a bit of a surprise.

10th December 2009, 15:49	#33 (permalink)
MPTutd Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: London Posts: 3,963	Read it on the United website earlier. On the 'Today at Old Trafford' section I think.

10th December 2009, 15:51	#34 (permalink)
Decotron First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: I am not a man......................I am Cantona Posts: 20,025	Just heard Neville will be commentator again............in 2 weeks!!!

10th December 2009, 17:09	#35 (permalink)
lysglimt Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,692	Please send a stream if you have one (when the match starts)

10th December 2009, 18:28	#36 (permalink)
Elliott Likes Loan Stickies Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 8,532	I doubt there are any, lysglimt. I've been looking around, no luck.

10th December 2009, 18:39	#38 (permalink)
datura First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: so it goes Posts: 9,135	Team News: 1. Devlin 2. Fornasier 3. McGinty 4. Thorpe 5. Wootton 6. Tunnicliffe 7. Morrison 8. Pogba 9. Keane 10. Petrucci 11. Ajose Subs: 12. Cole 13. Johnstone 14. Lingard 15. Cofie 16. Massacci

10th December 2009, 18:41	#39 (permalink)
datura First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: so it goes Posts: 9,135	Birmingham: 1. Butland 2. Dunphy 3. Rowe 4. Mutch 5. Packwood 6. Preston 7. Hubbins 8. McPike 9. Jervis 10. Sammons 11. Asante Subs: 12. Redmond 13. Daniels 14. Hronec 15. Bogle 16. Ntanmbwe

10th December 2009, 18:41	#40 (permalink)
MPTutd Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: London Posts: 3,963	Good team that. Obviously missing the likes of Brady, King and Brown from its first X1, but strong nevertheless.