Youth Cup Semi Final... V ARSENAL!

MarliMan · 14th March 2007, 23:28

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Originally Posted by RedRichio

well, I went to the match and, whilst the stadium is wonderful, the footie was decidedly gash. United dominated possession but were hopeless when getting anywhere near the box whilst Arse didn't blow me away but had the best two chances (the goal and a shot against the bar). To be honest it was a rotten game to watch and noone stood out on either side. Both sides were defensively solid and the best players on the pitch were the defenders.

thats nice of you, little harsh though.
we'll batter the gayers at ot, no problem

peterstorey · 14th March 2007, 23:56

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Originally Posted by RedRichio

well, I went to the match and, whilst the stadium is wonderful, the footie was decidedly gash. United dominated possession but were hopeless when getting anywhere near the box whilst Arse didn't blow me away but had the best two chances (the goal and a shot against the bar). To be honest it was a rotten game to watch and noone stood out on either side. Both sides were defensively solid and the best players on the pitch were the defenders.

You're a hard man. Seen any Championship recently? Because compared to some of the stuff served up there I think it wasn't too bad. For you Cathcart was head and shoulders your best player, honourable mentions to Brandy (a persistent nuisance), Welback (looked to have something else when he arrived) and Galbraith (tho' he should've scored late on). For us Merida and Randall had control of the CM without really creating much. I think the 1-0 was fair a draw would've flattered you. I also think you'll find it difficult at OT if you come and attack us.

horselesspaul · 15th March 2007, 00:03

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Originally Posted by RedRichio

well, I went to the match and, whilst the stadium is wonderful, the footie was decidedly gash. United dominated possession but were hopeless when getting anywhere near the box whilst Arse didn't blow me away but had the best two chances (the goal and a shot against the bar). To be honest it was a rotten game to watch and noone stood out on either side. Both sides were defensively solid and the best players on the pitch were the defenders.

I went too and it wasn't too good was it. A lot of poor touches. I thought Eckersley looked a little out of his depth against a good attack. Brandy should have scored when he crossed for Wellbeck in the first half.
Great strike for their goal.
The Mexican wave p*ssed me off because it always distracts the players and the crowd reaction to the play ceased.
I still fancy us to turn them over at home but we'll need to be a little cleverer in defence and decisive in attack, imo.

MPTutd · 15th March 2007, 10:06

I went to the game last night.

Having watched United youth teams for quite a while, I have to say I am disappointed with last night.

Brandy looks really useful and has a chance, while Hewson and Drinkwter controlled the midfield. At the back Cathcart was very good - lots of Bobby Moore like tackles.

Disappointed with the likes of Wellbeck (who has an attitude) and Galbraith who has no pace - considering we spent a lot of money on him from Hearts, I was surprised.

As for the rest, I doubt they will make it, certainly not at United.

horselesspaul · 15th March 2007, 10:17

Having watched the game on MUTV now I have a slightly different take on one or two of our chances not taken and our defensive frailty. Not having a screen replay in the ground on the night made for a less enjoyable game for me imo.
Funny how you get used to it. When I first started going to Old Trafford in the 70's as a 10 year old I never actually saw a match, only felt and heard it..
We were a little better than I thought.
I think I'll come up to Manc for the Monday 2nd April game. We do HAVE to get more than 38,000 and really sing. There were thousands of kids from the local community in for nowt I heard. Come on, let's do the same. My 15 year old daughter really enjoyed it, wondering why anyone would sing a song about Tottenham and what a yiddo was..

RedRichio · 15th March 2007, 10:56

Perhaps I was a little harsh. I was surprised Arsenal weren't better than they were. It just wasn't a very good game to watch to be honest. It was very frustrating watching United panic every time they got anywhere near the Arse box.

andersj · 15th March 2007, 12:59

Is Cathcart fast?

MPTutd · 15th March 2007, 15:06

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Originally Posted by andersj

Is Cathcart fast?

No not at all. Seemed pretty slow. Very tall. Will never make it to first team level. Too cumbersome.

PS18 · 15th March 2007, 16:06

i'd say it's a bit daft to write a player who's been recognised as one of the finest u-17 centre-backs in europe off just yet. he's not quick by any means but he's not a slouch, and he reads the game extremely well for one so young. i can see where the cumbersome description comes from but the kid's still developing physically.

Red17 · 15th March 2007, 16:24

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Originally Posted by MPTutd

No not at all. Seemed pretty slow. Very tall. Will never make it to first team level. Too cumbersome.

Your ability to rate a player and distinguish what you see is very dodgy.

His style maybe languid, lending to belief that he is slow, but he is VERY quick of feet & mind.

manutdlegend · 15th March 2007, 16:56

How much is the 2nd leg ?

I wouldnt mind going.

Where would i get the tickets.

MPTutd · 15th March 2007, 17:07

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Originally Posted by Red17

Your ability to rate a player and distinguish what you see is very dodgy.

His style maybe languid, lending to belief that he is slow, but he is VERY quick of feet & mind.

Having seen the likes of Paul McShane and Mark Howard at the Youth team level, I would say they were both better.

If you check out my earlier mail you would see I said he was very good last night. However, he will never make it at United (IMO) as we have too many centre backs already, none of whom are that old.

Also, what makes your ability to rate a player so good?.

MPTutd · 15th March 2007, 17:09

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Originally Posted by PS18

i'd say it's a bit daft to write a player who's been recognised as one of the finest u-17 centre-backs in europe off just yet. he's not quick by any means but he's not a slouch, and he reads the game extremely well for one so young. i can see where the cumbersome description comes from but the kid's still developing physically.

He did read the game well, but that is not enough.

PS18 · 15th March 2007, 17:10

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Originally Posted by manutdlegend

How much is the 2nd leg ?

I wouldnt mind going.

Where would i get the tickets.

£5 (assuming you're neither under 16 or over 65, in which case it's £2), and you pay on the gate.

PS18 · 15th March 2007, 17:12

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Originally Posted by MPTutd

He did read the game well, but that is not enough.

it's not enough, but it's hugely promising for someone of his age. there's nothing he lacks to an extent that you can dismiss his chances entirely, and i'd put him well above McShane and Howard at the same age. you may well have a point about his route to the first team being blocked by other younger centre-backs (Evans, Pique etc) but that's a bridge you have to cross if he fulfils his potential and progresses as hoped.

Epic · 15th March 2007, 17:49

http://www.thefa.com/fatv/microsite....elivery=stream

highlights of the match

Elliott · 15th March 2007, 18:05

thanks, epic. brandy looked very lively indeed

superdave · 15th March 2007, 18:06

Grrr I went to Arsenal to try to watch Eikrem and James Derbyshire particularly. To my dissapointment Eikrem want even in the squad, and Derbyshire didn't get on.

Tried to find some United fans before the game, but there were very few of us there.

I thought Richard Eckersley looked very solid and Danny Galbraith looked good aswell. Galbraith made a fantastic run in the second half but just ran out of steam before he could hit it.

Cheer double for me at Old Trafford guys!

Elliott · 15th March 2007, 18:09

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Originally Posted by superdave

Grrr I went to Arsenal to try to watch Eikrem

this is getting a bit creepy, mate

superdave · 15th March 2007, 18:32

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Originally Posted by Elliott

this is getting a bit creepy, mate

Why? People will fly out to LA just to watch David Beckham. Theres no difference, except Beckham has a higher profile.

Red17 · 15th March 2007, 18:44

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Originally Posted by MPTutd

Also, what makes your ability to rate a player so good?.

I've never claimed that. On the other hand, you claim with such certainty ("NEVER") whether a player will make it or not.

Plechazunga · 15th March 2007, 21:19

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Originally Posted by RedRichio

well, I went to the match and, whilst the stadium is wonderful, the footie was decidedly gash. United dominated possession but were hopeless when getting anywhere near the box whilst Arse didn't blow me away but had the best two chances (the goal and a shot against the bar). To be honest it was a rotten game to watch and noone stood out on either side. Both sides were defensively solid and the best players on the pitch were the defenders.

I'd agree with that summary

Nice to see the stadium...class, though why is it all wavy at the top? They could have got thousands more seats in.

A defeat was a bit harsh, we were the better team in the first half, good finish mind.

Brandy started really brightly, Hewson was excellent as he has been the last few matches, Cathcart had a good game but re the discussion, no, he won't make it at United.

Spinoza turned up munching the sauteed leg of a pangolin, as expected.

We'll do them at OT, no question.

horselesspaul · 16th March 2007, 20:53

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Originally Posted by superdave

I thought Richard Eckersley looked very solid

I only saw him 2nd half because i was sat on his side behind the goal and he looked decidedly shaky, caught out of position and a little on the small side. I thought he could have done better before Gibbs' goal. I expect he did well in the first half then.

DanNistelrooy · 16th March 2007, 21:32

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Originally Posted by roonaldo78

Quite an enertaining match, we had quite a lot of the possession but the final ball was quite poor and the strikers didn't have much to work with. As someone mentioned earlier some of our players were quite small compared to the Arsenal youngsters and hence lost out physically. Brandy and Wellbeck were quite lively and Cathcart was solid at the back.

I agree Cathcart was by far our best and most consistent player, looked a good leader. Ive seen him a few times and he's been solid, but on Wednesday he was by far the best player on the pitch IMO

DanNistelrooy · 16th March 2007, 21:34

PS It was a very nice stadium, not close to Ot and Why did we make no substitutions????

Crumpsall Red · 28th March 2007, 22:38

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Originally Posted by Einar15

United lost 1-0 against Arsenal

lineup: Amos, Eckersley, Cleverley, Chester, Cathcart, Drinkwater, Welbeck, Hewson, Brandy, Fagan, Galbraith.

unused subs: Evans, Zieler, Bryan, Derbyshire, McCormack

Very evenly matched teams and United still have a good chance of getting to the final.

Record attendance in the Youth Cup at the Emiratrs with 38.000

I was at the Youth Cup Final of 93 against Leeds and I'm sure there was 42,000 there?

heightmassive · 31st March 2007, 23:56

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Originally Posted by Crumpsall Red

I was at the Youth Cup Final of 93 against Leeds and I'm sure there was 42,000 there?

I was at that match as well, I seem to remember the ground being full but not according to this.

http://www.thefa.com/TheFACup/TheFAY...arberStory.htm

Monday's crowd was the largest for an FA Youth Cup match outside the Final and Semi-Finals for at least 15 years.

These have been the top six Youth Cup attendances since the 1991-92 season:

* 31,037 - Leeds United v Manchester United in the 1993 Final second leg
* 30,562 - Manchester United v Leeds United in the 1993 Final first leg
* 24,000 - West Ham United v Coventry City in the 1999 Final second leg
* 20,600 - Liverpool v West Ham United in the 1996 Final second leg
* 20,190 - Manchester United v Tottenham Hotspur in the 1995 Final second leg
* 18,651 - Aston Villa v Everton in the 2002 Final second leg

kevg · 1st April 2007, 10:24

Is the game on TV anywhere?

horselesspaul · 1st April 2007, 12:28

MUTV live with The Neviller as top pundit.

kevg · 1st April 2007, 20:53

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Originally Posted by horselesspaul

MUTV live with The Neviller as top pundit.

Thanks

Brad · 2nd April 2007, 16:25

Making my youth team bow tonight given they're playing at OT, I suspect I won't be on my own in that regard...

15th March 2007, 10:06	#44 (permalink)
MPTutd Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: London Posts: 3,086	I went to the game last night. Having watched United youth teams for quite a while, I have to say I am disappointed with last night. Brandy looks really useful and has a chance, while Hewson and Drinkwter controlled the midfield. At the back Cathcart was very good - lots of Bobby Moore like tackles. Disappointed with the likes of Wellbeck (who has an attitude) and Galbraith who has no pace - considering we spent a lot of money on him from Hearts, I was surprised. As for the rest, I doubt they will make it, certainly not at United.

15th March 2007, 10:17	#45 (permalink)
horselesspaul Man U fan Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: It's Manchester United, United or Man United. Posts: 1,926	Having watched the game on MUTV now I have a slightly different take on one or two of our chances not taken and our defensive frailty. Not having a screen replay in the ground on the night made for a less enjoyable game for me imo. Funny how you get used to it. When I first started going to Old Trafford in the 70's as a 10 year old I never actually saw a match, only felt and heard it.. We were a little better than I thought. I think I'll come up to Manc for the Monday 2nd April game. We do HAVE to get more than 38,000 and really sing. There were thousands of kids from the local community in for nowt I heard. Come on, let's do the same. My 15 year old daughter really enjoyed it, wondering why anyone would sing a song about Tottenham and what a yiddo was..

15th March 2007, 10:56	#46 (permalink)
RedRichio Man on a mission Join Date: May 2006 Location: Birminghamium Posts: 2,848	Perhaps I was a little harsh. I was surprised Arsenal weren't better than they were. It just wasn't a very good game to watch to be honest. It was very frustrating watching United panic every time they got anywhere near the Arse box.

15th March 2007, 12:59	#47 (permalink)
andersj Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 570	Is Cathcart fast?

15th March 2007, 16:06	#49 (permalink)
PS18 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ruud ftw Posts: 794	i'd say it's a bit daft to write a player who's been recognised as one of the finest u-17 centre-backs in europe off just yet. he's not quick by any means but he's not a slouch, and he reads the game extremely well for one so young. i can see where the cumbersome description comes from but the kid's still developing physically.

15th March 2007, 16:56	#51 (permalink)
manutdlegend On a very big warning! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Wakefield Posts: 694	How much is the 2nd leg ? I wouldnt mind going. Where would i get the tickets.

15th March 2007, 17:49	#56 (permalink)
Epic First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: no man's land Posts: 5,970	http://www.thefa.com/fatv/microsite....elivery=stream highlights of the match

15th March 2007, 18:05	#57 (permalink)
Elliott Likes Loan Stickies Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,566	thanks, epic. brandy looked very lively indeed

15th March 2007, 18:06	#58 (permalink)
superdave Youth Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South London Posts: 274	Grrr I went to Arsenal to try to watch Eikrem and James Derbyshire particularly. To my dissapointment Eikrem want even in the squad, and Derbyshire didn't get on. Tried to find some United fans before the game, but there were very few of us there. I thought Richard Eckersley looked very solid and Danny Galbraith looked good aswell. Galbraith made a fantastic run in the second half but just ran out of steam before he could hit it. Cheer double for me at Old Trafford guys!

16th March 2007, 21:34	#65 (permalink)
DanNistelrooy First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London Posts: 5,410	PS It was a very nice stadium, not close to Ot and Why did we make no substitutions????

1st April 2007, 10:24	#68 (permalink)
kevg Youth Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 267	Is the game on TV anywhere?

1st April 2007, 12:28	#69 (permalink)
horselesspaul Man U fan Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: It's Manchester United, United or Man United. Posts: 1,926	MUTV live with The Neviller as top pundit.

2nd April 2007, 16:25	#71 (permalink)
Brad The Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Stockholm Posts: 19,047	Making my youth team bow tonight given they're playing at OT, I suspect I won't be on my own in that regard...