26 into 18 doesn't go

CnutOfAllCnuts · 13th May 2008, 12:19

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

i think too many of us are thinking we'll be down a goal or two and need tons of attacking options to come on. fact is, 15 mins to go, if we're up a goal or two, we need the likes of fletch to come on to give some bite and legs in midfield to see us through to the finish line without conceding. no way fletch is dropped against chelsea. It comes down to o'shea or tweety an anderson vs. nani.

Fair points...

Nani or Saha to miss out then, I reckon.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 13th May 2008, 12:21

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Originally Posted by buildabonfire

If it covers two, what happens is there are injuries to Brown and Hargreaves? How do you cope with your Brown scenario above + Scholes needing to come off?

What about Vida coming down with his magical curse + Carrick doing a hamstring?

If Brown, Hargreaves, Vidic and Carrick all get injured, we're fecked

SmashedHombre · 13th May 2008, 12:21

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Originally Posted by buildabonfire

If it covers two, what happens is there are injuries to Brown and Hargreaves? How do you cope with your Brown scenario above + Scholes needing to come off?

What about Vida coming down with his magical curse + Carrick doing a hamstring?

That's a lot of what if's. What if Rooney and Ronaldo get injured?

buildabonfire · 13th May 2008, 12:22

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

If Brown, Hargreaves, Vidic and Carrick all get injured, we're fecked

Err, yeah. But I see above you have come round to agreeing with my much more balanced squad

Tumbling-Dice · 13th May 2008, 12:23

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Fair points...

Nani or Saha to miss out then, I reckon.

If it came to the crunch and you had to pick one of those two, who would you pick ? Nani who disgraced himself against WH or Saha who has hardly been Mr Reliable this season. Who would people pick for the good of the team ?

It would be Nani for me.

buildabonfire · 13th May 2008, 12:23

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Originally Posted by SmashedHombre

That's a lot of what if's. What if Rooney and Ronaldo get injured?

a) I'm not suggesting they all happen and
b) I think it's a manager's job to consider all those what ifs.

To answer your question directly, in my squad

a) Giggs, Anderson and Saha come on (Scholes off as well) and
b) we get fúcked!

Red Devil 26 · 13th May 2008, 12:24

I know this isn't a time for sentiment, but I don't think Saha deserves a place in the squad. This is not an attack on his personal character, but the amount of football he's played this season doesn't warrant his inclusion above the likes of Fletcher/Anderson.

Despite when fit, giving us another dimension in attack, I don't see him coming off the bench and bagging a goal. I really don't rate him as an impact sub. He's a player that needs confidence and momentum behind him, things that he currently doesn't possess.

SmashedHombre · 13th May 2008, 12:24

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Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice

If it came to the crunch and you had to pick one of those two, who would you pick ? Nani who disgraced himself against WH or Saha who has hardly been Mr Reliable this season. Who would people pick for the good of the team ?

It would be Nani for me.

To be fair if I thought Saha was 100% fit he would be the first name on the subs bench for me. That's mentally and physically fit mind

CnutOfAllCnuts · 13th May 2008, 12:26

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Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice

If it came to the crunch and you had to pick one of those two, who would you pick ? Nani who disgraced himself against WH or Saha who has hardly been Mr Reliable this season. Who would people pick for the good of the team ?

It would be Nani for me.

Nani.

We'll play one up front, and if Rooney gets injured, we can play Ronaldo or Tevez in his place.

Tumbling-Dice · 13th May 2008, 12:26

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Originally Posted by Red Devil 26

I know this isn't a time for sentiment, but I don't think Saha deserves a place in the squad. This is not an attack on his personal character, but the amount of football he's played this season doesn't warrant his inclusion above the likes of Fletcher/Anderson.

Despite when fit, giving us another dimension in attack, I don't see him coming off the bench and bagging a goal. I really don't rate him as an impact sub. He's a player that needs confidence and momentum behind him, things that he currently doesn't possess.

I'd agree with that.

SmashedHombre · 13th May 2008, 12:27

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Originally Posted by buildabonfire

a) I'm not suggesting they all happen and
b) I think it's a manager's job to consider all those what ifs.

To answer your question directly, in my squad

a) Giggs, Anderson and Saha come on (Scholes off as well) and
b) we get fúcked!

well I would agree with b. We also have to hope that Fergie is making plans just in case Rio, Vida, Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez all get injured. (if this actually happens, please don't hate me.)

buildabonfire · 13th May 2008, 12:27

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Originally Posted by SmashedHombre

To be fair if I thought Saha was 100% fit he would be the first name on the subs bench for me. That's mentally and physically fit mind

Yup. can only assume he is fit enough, 10 days after he was fit enough for the Wigan bench.

kanchelskis14 · 13th May 2008, 12:27

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Originally Posted by SirOla

saha, silvestre and pique are most likely out if there's no new injuries (and neville and foster of course)

the biggest question is whether hargreaves or fletcher plays alongside carrick and scholes in our 4-3-3 formation. i thought hargreaves was fantastic right back but there's surely no chance he could take brown's place, right?

...imo welbeck should be given a place in starting line-up since rooney isn't 100% fit

Vidicious · 13th May 2008, 12:27

Saha and Fletcher will definetly be in the squad, both have good records against the Chavs, Sahas scored in his last 2 appearances against them, and Fletchers a big game player.

Tumbling-Dice · 13th May 2008, 12:30

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Originally Posted by SmashedHombre

To be fair if I thought Saha was 100% fit he would be the first name on the subs bench for me. That's mentally and physically fit mind

He would be for me too, but he hasn't played enough first team football recently.

SmashedHombre · 13th May 2008, 12:33

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Originally Posted by buildabonfire

Yup. can only assume he is fit enough, 10 days after he was fit enough for the Wigan bench.

One would assume so, but the Champions League final is a whole different kettle of fish. You also have to ask yourself if he deserves to be on the bench in place of say Anderson or Nani, fit or not.

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Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice

He would be for me too, but he hasn't played enough first team football recently.

No, but then he would probably only come on for the last 20-30mins anyway

buildabonfire · 13th May 2008, 12:33

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Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice

He would be for me too, but he hasn't played enough first team football recently.

[scratches head] Yeah, but if you could only prove your fitness for the first team by... playing for the first team... [/scratches head]

Eto'odinho · 13th May 2008, 12:35

Now that Hargreaves is a far better midfielder and defender than O'Shea, I reckon we don't really need to have four centre backs in the squad for the final. Brown, Vida and Rio will suffice for me.

Anduin · 13th May 2008, 12:58

Starting line-up:

GK: Van der Sar

RB: Brown
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Vidic
LB: Evra

CM: Hargreaves
CM: Carrick
CM: Scholes

FW: Tevez
FW: Ronaldo
FW: Rooney

Subs: PIG, Silvestre, Fletcher, Anderson, Nani, Giggs, Saha

Sorry for Pique and especially O'Shea, but Brown and Silvestre can cover centre back, Silvestre covers Evra, Hargreaves covers Brown and we need two replacements in the middle of the pitch. Saha and Nani are impact players, we need both of them. Giggs will definitely get his 759th appearance in Moscow, there are no doubts about that unless he gets injured.
I could even see Fletcher starting, he would fit in perfectly. But Scholes and Carrick will certainly play and we originally bought Hargreaves for that kind of games...

GE · 13th May 2008, 13:01

If Saha is fit, he SHOULD be on the bench. No matter what people think of him, we all know how good he is in front of goal. He's the type of striker we look for when we're struggling up front.

Nani might have been an idiot last week, but he should also be on the bench. Now isn't the time to punish good players, It's the final ffs!

buildabonfire · 13th May 2008, 13:02

Pretty much everyone seems to agree on that starting line-up, although a couple go for Park over Tevez in a 4-5-1. I can see either easily happening but would prefer the 4-3-3. Interesting that no-one is chanting 4-4-2 on here. How times have changed.

GE · 13th May 2008, 13:04

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Originally Posted by Anduin

Starting line-up:

GK: Van der Sar

RB: Brown
CB: Ferdinand
CB: Vidic
LB: Evra

CM: Hargreaves
CM: Carrick
CM: Scholes

FW: Tevez
FW: Ronaldo
FW: Rooney

Subs: PIG, Silvestre, Fletcher, Anderson, Nani, Giggs, Saha

Sorry for Pique and especially O'Shea, but Brown and Silvestre can cover centre back, Silvestre covers Evra, Hargreaves covers Brown and we need two replacements in the middle of the pitch. Saha and Nani are impact players, we need both of them. Giggs will definitely get his 759th appearance in Moscow, there are no doubts about that unless he gets injured.
I could even see Fletcher starting, he would fit in perfectly. But Scholes and Carrick will certainly play and we originally bought Hargreaves for that kind of games...

I agree.

But i reckon O'Shea will make the bench over Silvestre. Maybe Park instead of Fletch ?

CnutOfAllCnuts · 13th May 2008, 13:05

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Originally Posted by buildabonfire

Pretty much everyone seems to agree on that starting line-up, although a couple go for Park over Tevez in a 4-5-1. I can see either easily happening but would prefer the 4-3-3. Interesting that no-one is chanting 4-4-2 on here. How times have changed.

I'd go for Nani ahead of Tevez and Park

SmashedHombre · 13th May 2008, 13:11

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Originally Posted by buildabonfire

Pretty much everyone seems to agree on that starting line-up, although a couple go for Park over Tevez in a 4-5-1. I can see either easily happening but would prefer the 4-3-3. Interesting that no-one is chanting 4-4-2 on here. How times have changed.

I would like us to play 4-4-2 but Chelseas midfield would probably steam roller us if we did. We need carrick and scholes and a grafter like Tevez/Park/Fletcher

Anduin · 13th May 2008, 13:12

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Originally Posted by GE

Maybe Park instead of Fletch ?

I'm very convinced Fergie will include Fletcher in the squad, he has played very well in the big games this year. The only other decent option IMHO would be Park instead of Anderson who looked a bit tired in the last couple of weeks.

buildabonfire · 13th May 2008, 13:13

He hasn't played in the last couple of weeks!

p_ps_sock · 13th May 2008, 13:20

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Originally Posted by buildabonfire

SAF notes his selection dilemma:

http://www.sportinglife.com/football..._Ferguson.html

Who are the 26, and which 18 would you pick:

VDS
PIG
[Foster - assume he was at Wigan, but obviously not eligible]
Neville (Sorry)
Brown
O'Shea
Simpson
Rio
Vida
Tweety (Only one of him or Josh for me, esp with Owen able to drop to the back)
Pique (interesting one. with 7 subs do you pick him because you want him to stay?)
Evra
Fletch (Got to be in the squad v CFC)
Ronnie
Anderson
Nani (Potential game-changer from the bench. But has he fúcked it by getting sent off? Selection gets very difficult otherwise - assuming you have to take Saha with Wayne not 100%, you have to drop a midfielder from the squad.)
Scholesy
Carrick
Hargreaves
Park
Ryan
Wayne
Carlos
Saha
Welbeck
Dong???!!!

I'm probably forgetting someone very important.

definitely switch saha for nani, possibly O'Shea for Pique but not sure on that one

Anduin · 13th May 2008, 13:20

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Originally Posted by buildabonfire

He hasn't played in the last couple of weeks!

Yeah, not too much in the last weeks (Arsenal, Roma, Chelsea come to mind, not sure about the rest), but his performances in those games were not too convincing compared to Park's and even to his performance in an earlier stage of the season. Park on the other hand has done very well lately, so maybe he could be the better option.

13th May 2008, 12:24	#47 (permalink)
Red Devil 26 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: <Insert witty remark> Posts: 1,186	I know this isn't a time for sentiment, but I don't think Saha deserves a place in the squad. This is not an attack on his personal character, but the amount of football he's played this season doesn't warrant his inclusion above the likes of Fletcher/Anderson. Despite when fit, giving us another dimension in attack, I don't see him coming off the bench and bagging a goal. I really don't rate him as an impact sub. He's a player that needs confidence and momentum behind him, things that he currently doesn't possess.

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Vidicious Flop Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Desailly is a God. Posts: 1,641	Saha and Fletcher will definetly be in the squad, both have good records against the Chavs, Sahas scored in his last 2 appearances against them, and Fletchers a big game player.

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Eto'odinho Retard magnet Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Barad Dûr Posts: 9,008	Now that Hargreaves is a far better midfielder and defender than O'Shea, I reckon we don't really need to have four centre backs in the squad for the final. Brown, Vida and Rio will suffice for me.

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Anduin Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Magical Manchester United. Posts: 863	Starting line-up: GK: Van der Sar RB: Brown CB: Ferdinand CB: Vidic LB: Evra CM: Hargreaves CM: Carrick CM: Scholes FW: Tevez FW: Ronaldo FW: Rooney Subs: PIG, Silvestre, Fletcher, Anderson, Nani, Giggs, Saha Sorry for Pique and especially O'Shea, but Brown and Silvestre can cover centre back, Silvestre covers Evra, Hargreaves covers Brown and we need two replacements in the middle of the pitch. Saha and Nani are impact players, we need both of them. Giggs will definitely get his 759th appearance in Moscow, there are no doubts about that unless he gets injured. I could even see Fletcher starting, he would fit in perfectly. But Scholes and Carrick will certainly play and we originally bought Hargreaves for that kind of games...

13th May 2008, 13:01	#60 (permalink)
GE Captain Rio Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Greater Manchester, Broughton Park - Salford PSN:CaptainRio Posts: 9,167	If Saha is fit, he SHOULD be on the bench. No matter what people think of him, we all know how good he is in front of goal. He's the type of striker we look for when we're struggling up front. Nani might have been an idiot last week, but he should also be on the bench. Now isn't the time to punish good players, It's the final ffs!

13th May 2008, 13:02	#61 (permalink)
buildabonfire Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 945	Pretty much everyone seems to agree on that starting line-up, although a couple go for Park over Tevez in a 4-5-1. I can see either easily happening but would prefer the 4-3-3. Interesting that no-one is chanting 4-4-2 on here. How times have changed.

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buildabonfire Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 945	He hasn't played in the last couple of weeks!