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peterstorey · 13th May 2011, 22:03

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Originally Posted by finneh

If you knew my theory on the issue (which you may because of previous posts), I think what we charge is perfectly reasonable. At the end of the day I'm of the view that if I am a Rolex watch enthusiast, I couldn't turn around and bemoan the fact that it costs me thousands a year to pursue my hobby. Likewise millions of people would want a United season ticket if it cost £1, whereas 65,000 want a United season ticket at the current price.

Well it's a bollocks theory and a bollocks example. Football is entertainment for the ordinary man not some collectors' nonsense like hoarding expensive timepieces. It should be priced like the cinema which it traditionally was.

Spoony Youngblood · 13th May 2011, 22:04

How about cheaper seating ie benches(behind the goals). This way we'd get more fans and not lose any revenue. Or am I talking bollocks?

Brophs · 13th May 2011, 22:06

When you look at the stadia in Germany and the way they're run I don't think there should be anything stopping them from looking at standing areas in grounds again. I realise there's a lot of historical context in the UK but the game is being torn away from its roots and this would be welcomed by a majority of matchgoing fans, IMHO.

Spoony Youngblood · 13th May 2011, 22:12

Safe standing would add another 15-20K - I think Westfalen's capactiy increases to over 80K from 60K(all seater). Makes sense to me.

Sir A1ex · 13th May 2011, 22:37

I take it you've both signed the FSF Petition?

TBH, I'm a little disappointed the total is at just 12,000 signatures. Not sure politicians are impressed by that sort of number in this day and age.

Brophs · 13th May 2011, 22:40

Just signed it, hadn't seen it until now. Cheers.

Sir A1ex · 13th May 2011, 22:43

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

Well it's a bollocks theory and a bollocks example. Football is entertainment for the ordinary man not some collectors' nonsense like hoarding expensive timepieces. It should be priced like the cinema which it traditionally was.

It is indeed a terrible example. At best it explains (not very well) why prices are so high, but it in no way justifies the situation.

You're quite right that football should have remained priced like cinema, but unfortunately, left to market forces, this was never going to happen due to the limited availability of the "product".
Cinema, on the other hand will expand capacity to fit demand, so letting the market set the price is fair.

This is why, as I've said a million times, there is no justification in letting the market take its course with football. There is no other comparable industry with virtual monopolies like football clubs, and the sooner regulators realise this the better.

Sir A1ex · 13th May 2011, 22:48

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Originally Posted by Brophs

Just signed it, hadn't seen it until now. Cheers.

Good stuff.

Don't let Ciderman see though... he probably knows stuff we don't about how FSF is just a scam to mislead and misrepresent fans views while making money on the side for the people that run it.

finneh · 16th May 2011, 09:15

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

Well it's a bollocks theory and a bollocks example. Football is entertainment for the ordinary man not some collectors' nonsense like hoarding expensive timepieces. It should be priced like the cinema which it traditionally was.

The ordinary fan can get the entertainment on TV if he can't afford a season ticket. If he can't afford a Sky package he has got bigger problems than not being able to watch football.

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Originally Posted by A1Dan

It is indeed a terrible example. At best it explains (not very well) why prices are so high, but it in no way justifies the situation.

You're quite right that football should have remained priced like cinema, but unfortunately, left to market forces, this was never going to happen due to the limited availability of the "product".
Cinema, on the other hand will expand capacity to fit demand, so letting the market set the price is fair.

This is why, as I've said a million times, there is no justification in letting the market take its course with football. There is no other comparable industry with virtual monopolies like football clubs, and the sooner regulators realise this the better.

If millions of people wanted to go to the cinema for £8 a time, the cinema likewise would meet a point where supply met demand. If the demand was high enough or the supply was too little the price would sky rocket.

I'll ask again: What method should determine who gets a season ticket if not money? If you currently have one you get it again? What if you lose your job and can't afford the new price of £100, give up your ticket and want to buy it back when you find new employment? You get shafted?

Or would you prefer the closest to the ground get priority, in which case money would still take control as if a wealthy person wanted a ticket he'd buy a house near the stadium, or pay someone who owns a house near the stadium to get him a ticket, again money would talk. Not only that everyone living near the ground would be putting tickets on ebay at the current prices and making a huge profit.

Or should tickets be able to be passed on through generations, in which case an avid fan whose Dad and Grandad weren't United fans would have no chance of ever getting a ticket.

There is no fair criterion for deciding who gets a ticket apart from the person with the most money. Lets be fair it's a million times better than a decade or 2ago where a privilaged few got a ticket and everyone else had to wait 10 years to get one. In addition there was hardly any games on TV so if you were a die hard United fan you were severly limited in options.

/edit: that's without even talking about the impact slashing our prices would have on our ability to sign and pay the top players. Although I see the point about this money would just not be spent on debt, rather than impact other areas.

T2000 · 23rd June 2011, 12:53

Just wondering, if we was under ownership of the Red Knights now what kind of summer spending spree would fergie be doing?

ciderman9000000 · 23rd June 2011, 12:56

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Originally Posted by T2000

Just wondering, if we was under ownership of the Red Knights now what kind of summer spending spree would fergie be doing?

Hmmm good question, let's ask my friend HowTheFuckWouldWeKnow?!...

Wes · 23rd June 2011, 13:01

Oh this thread again - the club's fucked

T2000 · 23rd June 2011, 13:02

Only wondering, no need to give me a hard time

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13th May 2011, 22:04	#3522 (permalink)
Spoony Youngblood Wants to be more like Top Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: RIP Sydney Youngblood, who died in a tragic go-karting accident in 2007. RIP my cat 2001-09. iRIP Steve Cunting Jobs Posts: 42,368	How about cheaper seating ie benches(behind the goals). This way we'd get more fans and not lose any revenue. Or am I talking bollocks?

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Brophs Brewlio's fugly sister Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Why don't we just kill Badger? Posts: 27,706	When you look at the stadia in Germany and the way they're run I don't think there should be anything stopping them from looking at standing areas in grounds again. I realise there's a lot of historical context in the UK but the game is being torn away from its roots and this would be welcomed by a majority of matchgoing fans, IMHO.

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Spoony Youngblood Wants to be more like Top Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: RIP Sydney Youngblood, who died in a tragic go-karting accident in 2007. RIP my cat 2001-09. iRIP Steve Cunting Jobs Posts: 42,368	Safe standing would add another 15-20K - I think Westfalen's capactiy increases to over 80K from 60K(all seater). Makes sense to me.

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Sir A1ex First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Where the goals come from. Posts: 19,907	I take it you've both signed the FSF Petition? TBH, I'm a little disappointed the total is at just 12,000 signatures. Not sure politicians are impressed by that sort of number in this day and age.

13th May 2011, 22:40	#3526 (permalink)
Brophs Brewlio's fugly sister Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Why don't we just kill Badger? Posts: 27,706	Just signed it, hadn't seen it until now. Cheers.

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T2000 Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In mariah careys knicker drawer. Posts: 3,687	Just wondering, if we was under ownership of the Red Knights now what kind of summer spending spree would fergie be doing?

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Wes Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dublin, in the Irish Republic Posts: 9,989	Oh this thread again - the club's fucked

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T2000 Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In mariah careys knicker drawer. Posts: 3,687	Only wondering, no need to give me a hard time