Anderson

Pogue Mahone · 30th April 2008, 15:40

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

Thanks for clearing that up, after the Chelsea game i decided to hide in a dark corner well away from civalisation and the more importantly the Caf.

I get what your saying about "second season syndrome" but i dont think Anderson will be like Drogba, Essien, ect. They were highly established players before arriving in English football, they just needed to adjust to the pace. I think with Anderson its more about developing a mature footballing brain so he makes the right decisions in the right areas, this will take some time. Anderson is in the best place for his development. Very exciting having him on board, he will certainly be one of the best players in the world if he keeps working hard and follows suit of Ronaldo, Rooney, Giggs, Scholes and Co.

Yeah, good point about established player vs youngsters.

Still think "second season syndrome" applies but probably to a much lesser extent, agreed.

Veron · 30th April 2008, 15:46

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

I do think he has been played in a deeper central position due to the mass amount of injurys we have had in midfield this year. Hargreaves has Patella tedonitis, Carrick broke his elbow, Fletcher fractured his shin and tore his knee ligament, Scholes also had a tear in his knee ligament.. I believe all 4 of these players are ahead of him in the central midfield pecking order and if it wasnt for the injurys he would have been used more as a attacking midfielder, [b]wingerb/b] or secondary striker. I guess next year we will see how he will be used and this will give indication towards which type of player QC and SAF will mould him into. I share the opinion you have, he needs to be played in a more advanced role so he can use his main strengths which are his pace, dribbling and direct play.

There was a time when most of our midfielders were fit and nani and park were out and he still didn't get the chance to establish himself there,i'm guessing saf doesn't see his future as a winger.

If we want to play him in his best position of an attacking mid we'll have to play a 5 man midfield cause everytime he's played in a 2 man cm he's just sat back providing cover.

Bape · 30th April 2008, 15:49

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

I agree he should definatly be in a more advanced position, at Porto he had a slight arguement with the managment through the media because he wanted to play on the left with freedom instead of through the centre.

I do think he has been played in a deeper central position due to the mass amount of injurys we have had in midfield this year. Hargreaves has Patella tedonitis, Carrick broke his elbow, Fletcher fractured his shin and tore his knee ligament, Scholes also had a tear in his knee ligament.. I believe all 4 of these players are ahead of him in the central midfield pecking order and if it wasnt for the injurys he would have been used more as a attacking midfielder, winger or secondary striker. I guess next year we will see how he will be used and this will give indication towards which type of player QC and SAF will mould him into. I share the opinion you have, he needs to be played in a more advanced role so he can use his main strengths which are his pace, dribbling and direct play.

Really? Wasnt aware of that, any chance you got a link to that?

Just a little suprised that's all, he dosent seem like the type that would complain about being played out of position, certainly hasn't so far with us, plus he has said in an interview not long ago that he dosent mind where he's played. I agree with what you're saying, I just hope SAF plays him in a position where he can play to the best of his abilities.

Cupid Stunt · 30th April 2008, 16:04

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Originally Posted by Bape

Really? Wasnt aware of that, any chance you got a link to that?

No, you'll have to take my word for it. A portuguese football expert said it on a interview with SSN just as he signed for us. I'm sure there is an article foating around the net somewhere but its most likely in Portuguese. Andersons behaviour has been to United standards as you would expect with SAF's well famed no tolerance management style, i think at Porto he was just frustrated at being a targeted man, he was often bullied by the midfield hard men in Portugal, maybe this is why he said he would rather play wide left. Ironically he had his leg broke by a right back..

INF-AMOS · 17th May 2008, 12:18

Just scrolled through the forum and i cannot see any recent and running posts on why he has not been in the team.

You see, what spurned me to open this debate is this ….. I was chatting last night with a couple of mates last night and one suggested that he thinks Fergie had put himself in an awkward position by stating that “Scholsey would definitely start if United got to the champions league final”.

He then went on to suggest that Fergie might have been a little worried that Anderson was starting to come back into his good early season form and that it is much easier to leave a kid out of the side than a seasoned professional.

Personally, i cannot remember if he was taken off at Stamford Bridge because he had a knock but I do think he was the best player in a red shirt on that woeful day and for the life of me I cannot understand why he hasn’t featured at all since.

Now although I thought the “Scholsey will start” statement was a ridiculous thing to come out by Fergie (And yes I know, he doesn’t often do that), I am relieved that the ginger fella is playing well and has justified his place in the starting line up… which is the way it should of been.

What thinks the caf ?

Coca Cola · 17th May 2008, 12:21

Scholes is our most talented and experienced midfielder, he was always gonna start. I thought this was common knowledge, even before Fergie said it.

Sam#1 · 17th May 2008, 12:21

Anderson has been poor, so he hasn't played. He had a knock against Chelsea, so he came off. While, Scholes has been playing well.

There is no great conspiracy. In fact, it's pretty simple stuff, really.

Man-United · 17th May 2008, 12:22

I think Anderson is tired after a hard season. He only played about 10 games in total for Gremio, and 20 games for Porto so this is his first season at this level.
He will be back strong and fresh next season again. But I don't like that he will play in the olympics..

Cupid Stunt · 17th May 2008, 12:29

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Vidicious · 17th May 2008, 12:30

If I had to choose Scholes or Anderson for a Champions League Final the answer is Scholes, simply. He deserves it and I have no doubt he will have a blinder if he starts to make up for '99. Its a no brainer.

devilish · 17th May 2008, 12:39

Anderson's magnificent performances had made us forget the fact that he is still very young. At this stage you need experienced heads and that had played against the Brazilian who is still a bit raw in certain areas of his game (like taking his chances and score). Mind I wouldnt mind to see him playing as left winger with Scholes and Carrick in midfield and Ronaldo on the right flank. Stating that its risky to try to play a 19 yr old out of position in a CL final.

INF-AMOS · 17th May 2008, 12:42

Ye... I totally agree fella's, but Scholsey didnt get his form back straight away. He looked slow and off the pace when he came back, as expected really.

I'm just releived his form has returned although he dosent surge into the box as much as he used to.

I am just suprised Anderson has not been given some pitch time before the final, his energy and legs could be needed later on against a powerfull and athletic Chelsea midfield and to throw the lad on he needs to have had a little more competative action than he has has recently.

GE · 17th May 2008, 12:49

Scholes and Carrick NEED to start in the Final.

I would pick Hargreaves over Anderson in this type of match too. However, it would be nice to see Anderson come on in the last 10 minutes or so, if we're winning comfortably.

INF-AMOS · 17th May 2008, 12:49

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Originally Posted by Cupid Stunt

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30th Aprill is a fair while back at the rate posts are moving, 19 pages to be precise, and yes it has just been bumped since i posted this thread.

INF-AMOS · 17th May 2008, 12:53

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Originally Posted by GE

Scholes and Carrick NEED to start in the Final.

I would pick Hargreaves over Anderson in this type of match too. However, it would be nice to see Anderson come on in the last 10 minutes or so, if we're winning comfortably.

Agree with that although he might be needed if we were winning 1-0 and say Scholsey had busted a gut and was tireing towards the end.

We wont just be playing pretty circles around Chelsea like we do most of our opposition, we are going to have to fight and keep fighting like never before.

Godfather · 17th May 2008, 12:58

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Originally Posted by devilish

Anderson's magnificent performances had made us forget the fact that he is still very young. At this stage you need experienced heads and that had played against the Brazilian who is still a bit raw in certain areas of his game (like taking his chances and score). Mind I wouldnt mind to see him playing as left winger with Scholes and Carrick in midfield and Ronaldo on the right flank. Stating that its risky to try to play a 19 yr old out of position in a CL final.

I agree with that.

I wouldnt mind a 3 man midfield with him carrick and scholesey playing neither.

TBH i wouldnt mind any line up with him in it.
Still I have to admit, that all the other would also deserve to start against Chelscum.

Park would deserve it. Hargreaves as well. Carrick of course, but also Giggs.
Also Nani could be of major importance against chelsea.

I'm glad it's not me deciding who to play and whom not.

Drifter · 17th May 2008, 13:01

Don't know what some expect of Anderson.He as far exceeded of what we expected of him in his first season.

Red For Ever · 17th May 2008, 13:04

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Originally Posted by Veron

he didn't play because saf had to put his beloved giggs on so he could reach his personal milestone in moscow.

Cupid Stunt · 17th May 2008, 13:13

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Originally Posted by INF-AMOS

30th Aprill is a fair while back at the rate posts are moving, 19 pages to be precise, and yes it has just been bumped since i posted this thread.

No worry's Cheif, just though you may be interested to know what some thought about Anderson in that thread. Not much has happened on the Anderson front since around then.

Chorley1974 · 17th May 2008, 13:17

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Originally Posted by Drifter

Don't know what some expect of Anderson.He as far exceeded of what we expected of him in his first season.

Agree, Anderson has exceeded expectations and is probably tired. I also think it's Scholes, Carrick, Hargreaves as best midfield, with Ron, Roon, Tevez upfront. I hate to say it but I don't want Giggs in the starting line up, if we go 4-4-2 I'd rather have Park on the left wing for his energy.

Went slightly off topic there

Diver · 17th May 2008, 13:18

How anyone could overlook Scholes And Carrick In the final is beyond me.

Anderson could come of the bench though (preferably if we're winning or if one of the others gets injured).

Donkey's Ears · 17th May 2008, 13:49

Anderson has one thing which Carrick, Hargreaves and Scholes don't: real mobility and pace. Against Liverpool for example in the league we really benefitted from his energy around the park and ability to break forward. I think our best displays this season have been with him on the pitch offsetting Carrick's slight lack of pace and dynamism.

I'm not saying he should start but I'd like him on the bench.

nickm · 17th May 2008, 13:51

You play your most experienced players at the business end of the season, not first season rookies. No reflection on Anderson's abilities, just the need to have level heads when you most need results.

Scholesy · 17th May 2008, 13:57

Scholes and Carrick will definetely start, its a toss up between Hargreaves and Anderson.

Utd heap · 17th May 2008, 14:01

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Originally Posted by GE

Scholes and Carrick NEED to start in the Final.

I would pick Hargreaves over Anderson in this type of match too. However, it would be nice to see Anderson come on in the last 10 minutes or so, if we're winning comfortably.

Pretty much my view aswell.
He has been quite impressive as an impact sub of late.

kanchelskis14 · 17th May 2008, 15:52

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Anderson has been poor, so he hasn't played. He had a knock against Chelsea, so he came off. While, Scholes has been playing well.

There is no great conspiracy. In fact, it's pretty simple stuff, really.

Anderson had a spell when he dropped his form, but surely the fact that he played well in his last outing, against none other than Chelsea, should surely mean that he wouldn't be left out of the team, or even from the bench as a result of 'poor form'. He played well in his last game!

I've been a little suprised he hasn't at least got a few minutes from the bench in recent weeks, perhaps a reason for it. All subs get used eventually, except keepers perhaps, and sometimes defenders, but to not get off the bench for about 5 games is a bit uncommon under normal circumstances. Subs usually get used, even if just to freshen things up.

Lizard King · 17th May 2008, 15:56

He has so much potential and we've seen glimpses of what's to come. He's one of those players who excites everybody when they see his name on the teamsheet.

Hehe has anyone seen the youtube video of him entitled "The Disaster" made by some guy who thinks he's our worst signing for 50 years?

Raven_Blade · 17th May 2008, 15:59

In that case he should be fresh enough to make the bench against Chelsea. I feel that he will definitely be needed in that game.

Raven_Blade · 17th May 2008, 16:07

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Originally Posted by Lizard King

He has so much potential and we've seen glimpses of what's to come. He's one of those players who excites everybody when they see his name on the teamsheet.

Hehe has anyone seen the youtube video of him entitled "The Disaster" made by some guy who thinks he's our worst signing for 50 years?

Ive just seen it. Its totally pathetic. The guy is nothing but a deluded fool because he believes both Anderson and Nani are flops.

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INF-AMOS Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: "If I wanted to play for the money, I would accept the Manchester City offer or one from Chelsea, but no, I want to play for the biggest club in the world and that's why I am here." Posts: 836	The Anderson debate. Just scrolled through the forum and i cannot see any recent and running posts on why he has not been in the team. You see, what spurned me to open this debate is this ….. I was chatting last night with a couple of mates last night and one suggested that he thinks Fergie had put himself in an awkward position by stating that “Scholsey would definitely start if United got to the champions league final”. He then went on to suggest that Fergie might have been a little worried that Anderson was starting to come back into his good early season form and that it is much easier to leave a kid out of the side than a seasoned professional. Personally, i cannot remember if he was taken off at Stamford Bridge because he had a knock but I do think he was the best player in a red shirt on that woeful day and for the life of me I cannot understand why he hasn’t featured at all since. Now although I thought the “Scholsey will start” statement was a ridiculous thing to come out by Fergie (And yes I know, he doesn’t often do that), I am relieved that the ginger fella is playing well and has justified his place in the starting line up… which is the way it should of been. What thinks the caf ?

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Coca Cola One balled wonder Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Evra´s Pussy. Posts: 2,819	Scholes is our most talented and experienced midfielder, he was always gonna start. I thought this was common knowledge, even before Fergie said it.

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Sam#1 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Leroy Lita Posts: 13,436	Anderson has been poor, so he hasn't played. He had a knock against Chelsea, so he came off. While, Scholes has been playing well. There is no great conspiracy. In fact, it's pretty simple stuff, really.

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Man-United Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,267	I think Anderson is tired after a hard season. He only played about 10 games in total for Gremio, and 20 games for Porto so this is his first season at this level. He will be back strong and fresh next season again. But I don't like that he will play in the olympics..

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Vidicious Flop Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Desailly is a God. Posts: 1,611	If I had to choose Scholes or Anderson for a Champions League Final the answer is Scholes, simply. He deserves it and I have no doubt he will have a blinder if he starts to make up for '99. Its a no brainer.

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devilish Nationality: Italian-English, Maltese Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cnut's home Posts: 18,015	Anderson's magnificent performances had made us forget the fact that he is still very young. At this stage you need experienced heads and that had played against the Brazilian who is still a bit raw in certain areas of his game (like taking his chances and score). Mind I wouldnt mind to see him playing as left winger with Scholes and Carrick in midfield and Ronaldo on the right flank. Stating that its risky to try to play a 19 yr old out of position in a CL final.

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INF-AMOS Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: "If I wanted to play for the money, I would accept the Manchester City offer or one from Chelsea, but no, I want to play for the biggest club in the world and that's why I am here." Posts: 836	Ye... I totally agree fella's, but Scholsey didnt get his form back straight away. He looked slow and off the pace when he came back, as expected really. I'm just releived his form has returned although he dosent surge into the box as much as he used to. I am just suprised Anderson has not been given some pitch time before the final, his energy and legs could be needed later on against a powerfull and athletic Chelsea midfield and to throw the lad on he needs to have had a little more competative action than he has has recently.

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GE Captain Rio Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Greater Manchester, Broughton Park - Salford Posts: 9,101	Scholes and Carrick NEED to start in the Final. I would pick Hargreaves over Anderson in this type of match too. However, it would be nice to see Anderson come on in the last 10 minutes or so, if we're winning comfortably.

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Drifter First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,131	Don't know what some expect of Anderson.He as far exceeded of what we expected of him in his first season.

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Diver ....and nobody likes a diver. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SAF's GAF Posts: 2,178	How anyone could overlook Scholes And Carrick In the final is beyond me. Anderson could come of the bench though (preferably if we're winning or if one of the others gets injured).

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Donkey's Ears Trainee Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 96	Anderson has one thing which Carrick, Hargreaves and Scholes don't: real mobility and pace. Against Liverpool for example in the league we really benefitted from his energy around the park and ability to break forward. I think our best displays this season have been with him on the pitch offsetting Carrick's slight lack of pace and dynamism. I'm not saying he should start but I'd like him on the bench.

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nickm First Team Sub Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 5,505	You play your most experienced players at the business end of the season, not first season rookies. No reflection on Anderson's abilities, just the need to have level heads when you most need results.

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Scholesy biggest idiotic gay in the village Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brap Posts: 3,820	Scholes and Carrick will definetely start, its a toss up between Hargreaves and Anderson.

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Lizard King Join Date: May 2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,307	He has so much potential and we've seen glimpses of what's to come. He's one of those players who excites everybody when they see his name on the teamsheet. Hehe has anyone seen the youtube video of him entitled "The Disaster" made by some guy who thinks he's our worst signing for 50 years?

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Raven_Blade Attention Whoring Common Crow Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Man Utd Will Never Die! Posts: 17,229	In that case he should be fresh enough to make the bench against Chelsea. I feel that he will definitely be needed in that game.