Anderson

Sam#1 · 17th May 2008, 18:33

Just on a side note from Moscow, I think next season, we may quite possible see a lot of Hargreaves/Carrick/Anderson as our first choice midfield. With Scholes being used more sparingly, and in the bigger matches, ala, Makalele at Chelsea.

I think the combination of the 3 would look something like this...

-----------Carrick---------
Hargreaves-------Anderson

Carrick will sit in his deep playmaking role, picking passes, mopping up danger etc, Hargreaves will run round and harry the opposition, putting them under pressure, and adding the much needed steel and bite to the midfield, and Anderon will be the one driving forward...

Spoonatov · 17th May 2008, 18:35

I'm worried Scholes is going to put pressure on the midfield by giving away needless free-kicks. He deserves to play, though, and I wont begrudge him a final spot. One things for sure, it won't be an easy game.

KingEric7 · 17th May 2008, 18:37

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Just on a side note from Moscow, I think next season, we may quite possible see a lot of Hargreaves/Carrick/Anderson as our first choice midfield. With Scholes being used more sparingly, and in the bigger matches, ala, Makalele at Chelsea.

I think the combination of the 3 would look something like this...

-----------Carrick---------
Hargreaves-------Anderson

Carrick will sit in his deep playmaking role, picking passes, mopping up danger etc, Hargreaves will run round and harry the opposition, putting them under pressure, and adding the much needed steel and bite to the midfield, and Anderon will be the one driving forward...

It seems likely, but every single time we've played Carrick, Anderson and Fletcher this year we've put in a stunning performance, barring one game. Fletcher's work rate allows Anderson to push further up, whilst Carrick is still able to do what he does best in both halves of the pitch.

I would like to see this a bit more often, assuming Scholes is used in moderation.

snootyjim · 17th May 2008, 18:39

I would like to see him coming on later on in the game just to inject a bit of pace and energy into the centre of midfield.

I can't help thinking playing him from the start is asking for trouble though, he would never last the full 90 minutes, and we've got far more experienced players who have a better ability to play more 'economically' in terms of possession, which will be crucial.

Godfather · 17th May 2008, 18:59

Hard to tell whether Fergie will give him minutes to play. I really doubt that he will start, although I would like to see him starting.

Thing is that he showed great attitude and fighting spirit against big teams, on the other hand I really dont know instead of whom he should start, because although I havent been too much impressed by Carrick's last performances I think he should start.

I would consider a Anderson- Carrick- Scholes partnership.

Godfather · 17th May 2008, 19:01

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Originally Posted by snootyjim

I would like to see him coming on later on in the game just to inject a bit of pace and energy into the centre of midfield.

I can't help thinking playing him from the start is asking for trouble though, he would never last the full 90 minutes, and we've got far more experienced players who have a better ability to play more 'economically' in terms of possession, which will be crucial.

Actually I think he certainly is able to play full 90 minutes when fit. The question is if he is fit.

Furthermore I think that a young, explosive midfielder with great pace like him could be as crucial as experience in this game.

Sam#1 · 17th May 2008, 19:11

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Originally Posted by Godfather

Actually I think he certainly is able to play full 90 minutes when fit. The question is if he is fit.

How can you possibly think that, when he's not once been able to last 90 minutes for us yet. In fact, he's barely been able to last past 60 minutes.

Seriously, these Anderson fanboys are really starting to irritate me.

Cupid Stunt · 17th May 2008, 19:16

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Originally Posted by Godfather

Actually I think he certainly is able to play full 90 minutes when fit. The question is if he is fit.

Furthermore I think that a young, explosive midfielder with great pace like him could be as crucial as experience in this game.

Anderson has a good first half and poor second half, it's been the story of the season for him, but this is a good thing. It tells us all that he has what it takes mentally and technically to be a United player but not physically. He is behind Scholes, Carrick, Hargreaves and Fletcher in the pecking order to start and rightfully so, Anderson is not ready. How can you say you are certain he is able to play 90? If you watched our games you would have seen he's been practically stretchered off after 60.

Cupid Stunt · 17th May 2008, 19:17

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

How can you possibly think that, when he's not once been able to last 90 minutes for us yet. In fact, he's barely been able to last past 60 minutes.

Seriously, these Anderson fanboys are really starting to irritate me.

Top · 17th May 2008, 19:23

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Seriously, these Anderson fanboys are really starting to irritate me.

That's rich coming from you, your blind love towards Tevez and constant defending of him is no better than people defending and praising Anderson.

I'd personally also rather listen to people praising a player like Anderson, than listen to you stating how much you dislike Nani and how you will continue to do so no matter what he does on the pitch in the future.

Lizard King · 17th May 2008, 19:28

I agree with Top.

Out of interest, how many times has Anderson played a full 90?

Cupid Stunt · 17th May 2008, 19:38

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Originally Posted by Lizard King

I agree with Top.

Out of interest, how many times has Anderson played a full 90?

Good question.

Villa away, Blackburn home, Fulham home, Birmingham home. Anymore?

brez · 17th May 2008, 19:51

I'm a big fan of Anderson but just wondering why our 19 year old midfielder is unable to last 90 minutes? At that age he should be able to run around all day. Anybody got any idea why?

Cupid Stunt · 17th May 2008, 19:54

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Originally Posted by brez

I'm a big fan of Anderson but just wondering why our 19 year old midfielder is unable to last 90 minutes? At that age he should be able to run around all day. Anybody got any idea why?

He broke his leg for Porto last season and went to the Copa America with no match fitness, and due to going to the Copa America he missed our pre-season. He had very little preperation for this season, next season I would go as far as saying expect a different player as far as fitness goes.

Cupid Stunt · 17th May 2008, 20:01

I agree at 19 he should be able to run all day like Rooney. Another factor maybe that he has been playing a central midfield role with box-to-box demands (Not what Brazilian players are used to). Before joining United he was a Number 10 playing in the hole with a free role, not concentrating on defensive duties. His work load at United from a positional point of view must be at least 3 times more and if you add the pace of the premiership on top of that you can see why he's found it hard to cope with.

bergen · 17th May 2008, 20:17

What's the worry?

He's played a lot more than he was supposed to this season. He's done his ability justice. He has a lot to learn, and he has years ahead of him to do that. He's only 19 FFS, with four massive midfielders in front of him... He's never really played a full competitive season either.

Why the fuck anyone has any worries about him. I love the guy, but I'm not surprised if he doesn't play in the final, and I certainly don't expect him to start.

If all goes to plan, he'll have plenty of opportunities to play in CL Finals for us in the coming years.

INF-AMOS · 17th May 2008, 20:25

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Originally Posted by REd FUn DevIl

We are not saying Scholes shouldn't be starting in the final. The thing is Anderson hasn't been playing at all, not even 5 mins since the Chelsea game.

That's pretty bad if you consider the lad is fantastic in creating chances and assists.

That's the point, i feel he should of had some pitch time considering he was arguably our best player against Chelsea.

He has power and tenacity as well as drive going forward, he mixed it in his last game against the Chelsea midfield and put fabregas in his pocket amongst others this season.

Sam#1 · 17th May 2008, 20:26

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Originally Posted by Top

That's rich coming from you, your blind love towards Tevez and constant defending of him is no better than people defending and praising Anderson.

I'd personally also rather listen to people praising a player like Anderson, than listen to you stating how much you dislike Nani and how you will continue to do so no matter what he does on the pitch in the future.

I defend Tevez when he gets and unfair cop (something he's got a lot this season, from certain posters), but I'm also happy to admit that he has his flaws.

With, Nani, I don't like him that much, but I have very rarely 'stated' this (In fact I think only once have I said this), as it makes no difference to my opinion of him as a player, and, as I've said time and time again, and will continue to do so, he's a quality player. If you have a problem with me, so be it, I really couldn't care less.

kanchelskis14 · 17th May 2008, 20:27

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Originally Posted by brez

I'm a big fan of Anderson but just wondering why our 19 year old midfielder is unable to last 90 minutes? At that age he should be able to run around all day. Anybody got any idea why?

Not sure. To e honest, i think the fitness thing is overplayed. When we first signed Rooney, it was a while before he got a full 90, or it was very few and far between.

Often when Anderson's number has come up, i've been disappointed as he was playing well. I think it's generally more a case of Fergie not wanting him to play 90mins too often, as opposed to him being incapable.

INF-AMOS · 17th May 2008, 20:29

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Originally Posted by golden_blunder

exactly. Yet another thread is not needed. Please just update existing threads or what happens is that we lose previous good comments

Ye, we distinguished that Blunder but as i said, it was 19 pages back.

So I wasnt aware of any recent Anderson threads but merging them is furrymuff.

Count Duckula · 17th May 2008, 20:44

To be fair to Sam, though, Tevez has done a lot more for us this season than Anderson has.

INF-AMOS · 17th May 2008, 20:53

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Seriously, these Anderson fanboys are really starting to irritate me.

Oh dear Sam, here we go again.

I just read through the whole thread and with the exception of Veron who was being daft and Spooney just giving an honest opinion I don’t think I can see any one getting an erection over Anderson.

The majority consensus seems to be that Scholsey should start but that Anderson should have at least had some pitch time considering the attributes he brings to the table.

I.e, if we need to defend bring on Hargreaves and if we need to put some attacking bite into midfield, bring on Anderson.

Sam#1 · 17th May 2008, 20:56

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Originally Posted by INF-AMOS

Oh dear Sam, here we go again.

I just read through the whole thread and with the exception of Veron who was being daft and Spooney just giving an honest opinion I don’t think I can see any one getting an erection over Anderson.

I wasn't talking about this thread. Well, apart from Godfather's ridiculous comment.

Top · 17th May 2008, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

I wasn't talking about this thread. Well, apart from Godfather's ridiculous comment.

I can see how all of these fanboys are beginning to irritate you, especially the only one in this thread, who only said that he thinks Anderson is able to play 90 minutes when fit.

Silly me, that's an outrageous comment made by Godfather and his blind love for Anderson is obviously blocking all rational thinking. Fanboy indeed, thinking Anderson is able to play 90 minutes, what a loon!

What's next? Will this fanboy say that Anderson is able to score goals in the future?
When will the madness end with these Anderson fanboys!?

Sam#1 · 17th May 2008, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Top

I can see how all of these fanboys are beginning to irritate you

Good, good.

At least we are now signing from the same sheet.

Chris H · 17th May 2008, 21:33

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Originally Posted by Lizard King

I agree with Top.

Out of interest, how many times has Anderson played a full 90?

9 matches in all competitions, including Liverpool away.

Top · 17th May 2008, 21:43

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Good, good.

At least we are now signing from the same Hymn sheet.

Have you looked at the back of the sheet?
Where it says that Sam#1 is acting like a child calling people fanboys just because they think Anderson is able to play 90 minutes when fit?
If you don't see that on the sheet then I'm afraid we don't quite sing the same hymn.

Ps. I think I saw someone in another thread saying that Carrick normally hits the target when he's clear on goal, quick go get him, that Carrick fanboy!

Sam#1 · 17th May 2008, 21:49

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Originally Posted by Top

Have you looked at the back of the sheet?
Where it says that Sam#1 is acting like a child calling people fanboys just because they think Anderson is able to play 90 minutes when fit?
If you don't see that on the sheet then I'm afraid we don't quite sing the same hymn.

Ps. I think I saw someone in another thread saying that Carrick normally hits the target when he's clear on goal, quick go get him, that Carrick fanboy!

You're the only one acting like a 'child'.

I simply pointed out that it is irritating that everywhere I look on this forum there is people going over the top with their praise of Anderson, and these people are usually the same people, over and over, hence they are bit like fanboys. Ok, Godfather's wasn't that bad, but it was just one in a long line of his comments that are OTT when it comes to talking Anderson.

And I'm not the only person who has noticed this trend.

17th May 2008, 18:33	#81 (permalink)
Sam#1 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Leroy Lita Posts: 13,263	Just on a side note from Moscow, I think next season, we may quite possible see a lot of Hargreaves/Carrick/Anderson as our first choice midfield. With Scholes being used more sparingly, and in the bigger matches, ala, Makalele at Chelsea. I think the combination of the 3 would look something like this... -----------Carrick--------- Hargreaves-------Anderson Carrick will sit in his deep playmaking role, picking passes, mopping up danger etc, Hargreaves will run round and harry the opposition, putting them under pressure, and adding the much needed steel and bite to the midfield, and Anderon will be the one driving forward...

17th May 2008, 18:35	#82 (permalink)
Spoonatov El Presidente - Voted best poster 2007 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Number 17. (Laura's got a cellulite arse). RIP Jermaine Stewart. Posts: 26,903	I'm worried Scholes is going to put pressure on the midfield by giving away needless free-kicks. He deserves to play, though, and I wont begrudge him a final spot. One things for sure, it won't be an easy game.

17th May 2008, 18:39	#84 (permalink)
snootyjim In most joy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The land of the Chelski 'I'm supporting my local team' bunch Posts: 2,875	I would like to see him coming on later on in the game just to inject a bit of pace and energy into the centre of midfield. I can't help thinking playing him from the start is asking for trouble though, he would never last the full 90 minutes, and we've got far more experienced players who have a better ability to play more 'economically' in terms of possession, which will be crucial.

17th May 2008, 18:59	#85 (permalink)
Godfather Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Austria Posts: 3,791	Hard to tell whether Fergie will give him minutes to play. I really doubt that he will start, although I would like to see him starting. Thing is that he showed great attitude and fighting spirit against big teams, on the other hand I really dont know instead of whom he should start, because although I havent been too much impressed by Carrick's last performances I think he should start. I would consider a Anderson- Carrick- Scholes partnership.

17th May 2008, 19:28	#91 (permalink)
Lizard King Join Date: May 2007 Location: Manchester Posts: 12,285	I agree with Top. Out of interest, how many times has Anderson played a full 90?

17th May 2008, 19:51	#93 (permalink)
brez On Trial Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 48	I'm a big fan of Anderson but just wondering why our 19 year old midfielder is unable to last 90 minutes? At that age he should be able to run around all day. Anybody got any idea why?

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Cupid Stunt Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: "In that, Anfield is unbeatable. Put a shit hanging from a stick in the middle of this passionate, crazy stadium and there are people who will tell you it's a work of art. It's not: it's a shit hanging from a stick." Posts: 1,524	I agree at 19 he should be able to run all day like Rooney. Another factor maybe that he has been playing a central midfield role with box-to-box demands (Not what Brazilian players are used to). Before joining United he was a Number 10 playing in the hole with a free role, not concentrating on defensive duties. His work load at United from a positional point of view must be at least 3 times more and if you add the pace of the premiership on top of that you can see why he's found it hard to cope with.

17th May 2008, 20:17	#96 (permalink)
bergen Author of gayest thread 07/08 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Iceland Posts: 5,205	What's the worry? He's played a lot more than he was supposed to this season. He's done his ability justice. He has a lot to learn, and he has years ahead of him to do that. He's only 19 FFS, with four massive midfielders in front of him... He's never really played a full competitive season either. Why the fuck anyone has any worries about him. I love the guy, but I'm not surprised if he doesn't play in the final, and I certainly don't expect him to start. If all goes to plan, he'll have plenty of opportunities to play in CL Finals for us in the coming years.

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Count Duckula First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In the corner, losing my religion. Posts: 5,822	To be fair to Sam, though, Tevez has done a lot more for us this season than Anderson has.