Anderson in Singapore

Pronewbie · 25th July 2008, 02:27

I don't think there will be many going for the Brazil match. This is probably going to lose money for the organisers.

By the way, I just played against Dollah Kassim recently in a friendly match. He scored 1 against me.

BillyBob · 25th July 2008, 06:00

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Originally Posted by Pronewbie

I don't think there will be many going for the Brazil match. This is probably going to lose money for the organisers.

By the way, I just played against Dollah Kassim recently in a friendly match. He scored 1 against me.

Are you serious? Respect, man! He was my favourite of that era.

Pronewbie · 25th July 2008, 09:01

Yeah He's old and bumbling, and smokes as well. Pretty fit for his age and habit I suppose.

Fazer · 25th July 2008, 11:43

Yup..Malaysia cup days of the 70s and 80s were special. I remember my dad and I going to the stadium at 3.30 even though kick off was at 7.30. The supporters would blow up all these conical shaped balloons, complete with their cigarette smoke and release them when Singapore take the bow at the centre circle.
Back in those days..I guess they were not so strict on crowd control and we once had 80+ thousand in the stadium for the game against Penang. Most Malaysian state teams at that time apart from Selangor and maybe Pahang who had decent sized stadiums themselves were almost always overawed by the (Kallang Roar).
How the ground shook when we were awarded a corner and the deafening roar of the fans surely almost always gave us our 12th and 13th man on the field. Mohd. Noh, Dollah Kassim, Quah Kim Song, Samad Allapitchay and much later on Fandi and Sundram together with the foreign imports, Abba and Michael Vana..those were surely the best days of Singapore football, sadly I am afraid never to be repeated.
The S-League to put it mildly, is such a joke. I look at the standard of play and I laugh. The majority of the players probably would have trouble getting into my Singapore Air Defence Artillery team of 1986, champions of the SAF inter formation tournament that year and not surprisingly none of us ever played for Safsa, not surprising as none of us were Malays.
Such is the politics of football in Singapore.

Pronewbie · 25th July 2008, 13:14

Agree with you Fazer. I was horribly disgusted by it. The racial politics is prevalent even in grassroots level.

December_16 · 25th July 2008, 14:21

After that, he's coming to Vietnam with Olympics Brazil

Shame I'm not going

relx · 25th July 2008, 18:36

Fazer · 25th July 2008, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Pronewbie

Agree with you Fazer. I was horribly disgusted by it. The racial politics is prevalent even in grassroots level.

Yup, even Fandi was commenting on the many talented Chinese players that give up playing along the way. It's tough to be a (minority) player here, cos during training they just wont pass the ball to you.

Pronewbie · 26th July 2008, 05:16

He never said why though. And the coaches and players keep to themselves by speaking Malay, or like in the case of my Primary school, Tamil. Fuckin' hell.

Fazer · 26th July 2008, 17:30

Hopefully we can see a few Chinese players coming through the ranks soon
but don't hold your breath waiting. If all else fail, we can always look towards
the Middle Kingdom for reinforcements. That would be a good laugh with half the team not understanding each other.

Kelvin · 26th July 2008, 17:51

Longlivekeano · 26th July 2008, 18:23

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Originally Posted by Fazer

Yup, even Fandi was commenting on the many talented Chinese players that give up playing along the way. It's tough to be a (minority) player here, cos during training they just wont pass the ball to you.

There's a reason as to why most of Singapore's football team is dominated by Malays. While "racism" might be a factor, it is not exactly in thre way that most people think in that there is a pro-Malay favoritism in Singapore football. Rather, look at it from the larger point of view. While Singapore proclams itself as a truely multi-racial society, the truth is that it is easier to obtain jobs if you are Chinese or can converse in Mandarin. Just take a look at the job-ads and see how many of tehm insist that speaking Mandarin is a pre-requisite. As such, this automatically disqualifies the Malays and non-Chinese Singaporeans from a portion of the SIngapore job sector. Hence, this is why most Malays turn to either the govt service, education sector or even sports as a mode of employment.

Your comment on how you don't get passed the ball becuase you are not Malay is very racist and extremely offensive in my honest opinon. If you don't get the ball often, it could be due to several factors. First, your positional sense is not sound (i.e. meaning that you do not find good spaces where yout team-mates can find you easily). Second, you do not shout for the ball (i.e. a very common mistake that means you do not see much time on the ball even if you do find good spaces). Third, you just might not be a good player and hence your teammate feels compelled to hold on to the ball longer or release it to a better option. PLease stop using race as a factor. That is so pathetic, lame and scientifically, a throwback to the early nineteenth century flawed biological-racist concepts.

SiYuan · 26th July 2008, 20:07

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Originally Posted by Longlivekeano

There's a reason as to why most of Singapore's football team is dominated by Malays. While "racism" might be a factor, it is not exactly in thre way that most people think in that there is a pro-Malay favoritism in Singapore football. Rather, look at it from the larger point of view. While Singapore proclams itself as a truely multi-racial society, the truth is that it is easier to obtain jobs if you are Chinese or can converse in Mandarin. Just take a look at the job-ads and see how many of tehm insist that speaking Mandarin is a pre-requisite. As such, this automatically disqualifies the Malays and non-Chinese Singaporeans from a portion of the SIngapore job sector. Hence, this is why most Malays turn to either the govt service, education sector or even sports as a mode of employment.

Your comment on how you don't get passed the ball becuase you are not Malay is very racist and extremely offensive in my honest opinon. If you don't get the ball often, it could be due to several factors. First, your positional sense is not sound (i.e. meaning that you do not find good spaces where yout team-mates can find you easily). Second, you do not shout for the ball (i.e. a very common mistake that means you do not see much time on the ball even if you do find good spaces). Third, you just might not be a good player and hence your teammate feels compelled to hold on to the ball longer or release it to a better option. PLease stop using race as a factor. That is so pathetic, lame and scientifically, a throwback to the early nineteenth century flawed biological-racist concepts.

That's where you're wrong.

I've got Zainal Abidin, a player in the 50s coaching me privately recently a few months back to prepare me for Man Utd.

He was my neighbour and decided to come out and coach a few of us.

He was telling all the Malay kids not to pass it among themselves and friends only, and that in Singapore there's a huge trend like that.

marcus agrippa · 26th July 2008, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Kelvin

gettyimages

strange how much weight Ronaldinho appears to have lost in such a short span of time (since that silly Masters Freekick tournament and the Messi XI friendly).

Slevin · 26th July 2008, 23:51

Anderson and Dinho look quite friendly...

Longlivekeano · 27th July 2008, 04:29

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Originally Posted by SiYuan

That's where you're wrong.

I've got Zainal Abidin, a player in the 50s coaching me privately recently a few months back to prepare me for Man Utd.

He was my neighbour and decided to come out and coach a few of us.

He was telling all the Malay kids not to pass it among themselves and friends only, and that in Singapore there's a huge trend like that.

Strange to find that you seem only to target the Malays. I think that even the Chinese and Indians are guilty of the same. Stop targetting a minority race

reddevilcanada · 27th July 2008, 04:39

When's Brazil's first game?

SittingBull · 27th July 2008, 05:11

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Originally Posted by Longlivekeano

Strange to find that you seem only to target the Malays. I think that even the Chinese and Indians are guilty of the same. Stop targetting a minority race

I don't want this to turn into a racial fested debate, but quite seriously, you are too politically-correct till the point of ignorance. What the likes of Siyuan, Pronewbie and Fazer mentioed, are actual facts of life. The lack of chinese footballers only boils down to 2 reasons.

1) Chinese are very ambitious people, and they equates success in life to monetary terms and material assets. From a very young age, me and a couple of friends are pretty good in the game. However, day in and out, all i heard from my parents and many others were " how much can you earn as a footballer? Go be a lawyer or doctor".. Many chinese kids are not seriously involved in the game, due to lack of parental support. Rightfully so, given that the money footballers earn in Singapore are peanuts, and the career span is so short.. We take it as a sport, never as a career. Most of the footballers, if you really notice, aren't really the smartest, i mean it only academically. Simply, besides sports, what else can they do in our ultra-competitive society?

2) Football, even in the junior levels are FUCKING RACIST.. I've lost count of the number of trails i've been to, where prior to the trial, the players are mingling around with the selectors, communicating in their own languages like long-lost brothers. During the game, you can shout till you go hoarse, and they will still not pass the ball to you. It's an ego thing. Something like what the Brits have in Singapore, superiority complex. What baffles the most is when you see the kind of shite player they selected afterwards. Once, i even stormed off the field after 10mins, and when the selector came to me, i just said " fuck u, all of u are racist bastards"..... and swore never to go for one again. Ask any friends of yours, and they would reply the same. Lack of skills? Give me a break. It's not like we are lacking in terms of physique or intelligence compared to the rest...

Btw, shall we get back to Anderson??

Pronewbie · 27th July 2008, 06:35

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Originally Posted by Longlivekeano

Strange to find that you seem only to target the Malays. I think that even the Chinese and Indians are guilty of the same. Stop targetting a minority race

You've got a point. Indians are also pretty bad in this as well.

BillyBob · 27th July 2008, 08:16

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Originally Posted by Slevin

Anderson and Dinho look quite friendly...

The pic in the middle is how he looked coming through the airport. Glad to know he's been so good with the fans since then (see other thread).

BillyBob · 27th July 2008, 08:41

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Originally Posted by SittingBull

I don't want this to turn into a racial fested debate, but quite seriously, you are too politically-correct till the point of ignorance. What the likes of Siyuan, Pronewbie and Fazer mentioed, are actual facts of life. The lack of chinese footballers only boils down to 2 reasons.

1) Chinese are very ambitious people, and they equates success in life to monetary terms and material assets. From a very young age, me and a couple of friends are pretty good in the game. However, day in and out, all i heard from my parents and many others were " how much can you earn as a footballer? Go be a lawyer or doctor".. Many chinese kids are not seriously involved in the game, due to lack of parental support. Rightfully so, given that the money footballers earn in Singapore are peanuts, and the career span is so short.. We take it as a sport, never as a career. Most of the footballers, if you really notice, aren't really the smartest, i mean it only academically. Simply, besides sports, what else can they do in our ultra-competitive society?

2) Football, even in the junior levels are FUCKING RACIST.. I've lost count of the number of trails i've been to, where prior to the trial, the players are mingling around with the selectors, communicating in their own languages like long-lost brothers. During the game, you can shout till you go hoarse, and they will still not pass the ball to you. It's an ego thing. Something like what the Brits have in Singapore, superiority complex. What baffles the most is when you see the kind of shite player they selected afterwards. Once, i even stormed off the field after 10mins, and when the selector came to me, i just said " fuck u, all of u are racist bastards"..... and swore never to go for one again. Ask any friends of yours, and they would reply the same. Lack of skills? Give me a break. It's not like we are lacking in terms of physique or intelligence compared to the rest...

Btw, shall we get back to Anderson??

I never imagined this thread would turn into a discussion of race in Singapore (However, not many other places where we can do that, right?

)

I agree strongly with what Keano was saying about the bias towards Chinese in the job market here.

I agree strongly with what I've highlighted in Sitting Bull's post. However, I wasn't educated here so I can't comment on his second point.

Several of you have complained that the coaches and players talk only in their own language (i.e. Malay). Come on, for fuck's sake, Malay is one of the 4 national languages, the National Anthem is in Malay, your fathers' generation all spoke Malay - why the fuck can't you? The whole speak English and speak Mandarin campaigns have failed spectacularly because most Singaporeans can't communicate effectively in either language! We're surrounded by almost 300 million ethnic Malays (Malaysia and Indonesia) so don't you think it would be sensible to learn our neighbours' language?

The comparison I make is with African Americans in the US. The majority race there (the whites) think the blacks are lazy and stupid and good only for sports and entertainment as careers (other than the shit jobs at the bottom of the social pile). That is what the majority in Singapore thinks of the Malays.

Concerning the superiority complex of the Brits in Singapore, I think it's you who has an inferiority complex. When I first came here 30 years ago I was a brit expat and yes, I absolutely had a superiority complex. That has been well and truly knocked out of me now that I live (very happily) in a 3 room HDB in AMK. The younger Brits I occasionally meet here nowadays are just thrilled to be able to get the fuck out of the UK and have no kind of superiority complex at all.

I had to put in my 10 cents worth here, but I do hope all of us will be able to meet up at whatever pub during the season to watch the game and share our mutual love of United and our joy at thrashing the pretenders to our throne(s). The name of our beloved club is UNITED, right?

Fazer · 27th July 2008, 09:15

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Originally Posted by Longlivekeano

There's a reason as to why most of Singapore's football team is dominated by Malays. While "racism" might be a factor, it is not exactly in thre way that most people think in that there is a pro-Malay favoritism in Singapore football. Rather, look at it from the larger point of view. While Singapore proclams itself as a truely multi-racial society, the truth is that it is easier to obtain jobs if you are Chinese or can converse in Mandarin. Just take a look at the job-ads and see how many of tehm insist that speaking Mandarin is a pre-requisite. As such, this automatically disqualifies the Malays and non-Chinese Singaporeans from a portion of the SIngapore job sector. Hence, this is why most Malays turn to either the govt service, education sector or even sports as a mode of employment.

Your comment on how you don't get passed the ball becuase you are not Malay is very racist and extremely offensive in my honest opinon. If you don't get the ball often, it could be due to several factors. First, your positional sense is not sound (i.e. meaning that you do not find good spaces where yout team-mates can find you easily). Second, you do not shout for the ball (i.e. a very common mistake that means you do not see much time on the ball even if you do find good spaces). Third, you just might not be a good player and hence your teammate feels compelled to hold on to the ball longer or release it to a better option. PLease stop using race as a factor. That is so pathetic, lame and scientifically, a throwback to the early nineteenth century flawed biological-racist concepts.

Hi Longlivekeano;

I am not, have never been and will never be racist. Growing up in Toa payoh in the 70s, my neighbourhood team was truly mixed, Malays, Chinese, Indians.
These are the people I first learned to play football with. Thats where i learned my Malay from, so theres no issues of my isolating myself.

What i highlighted was just a reflection of my experiences as a player back then in my youth. My friends and I from the SADA and Air Force teams that won the inter formation tournament were invited by Hussein Aljuneid for trials with Safsa, and hands to hearts we, the newbies from the Air Force and Sada teams consisting of the Indians and Chinese beat the regular Safsa team hands down during training. But we were never never picked to play for Safsa.

Believe you me, theres nothing wrong with my positional sense and skills as a player and communicator, its just the way it was back then, whether you like it or not, and by reporting this, I don't think that qualifies me as a racist. Fandi himself must have noticed something when he made those comments all those years ago, and perhaps times are changing, the situation might be different now.

Theres racism everywhere, Singapore is no exception, but all of us can make it better. I felt that the truth needed to be said about the state of Singapore football so that parents with school going sons can decide whether or not to let them pursue their dreams or deem it as a waste of time.

I don't know what racial group you belong to but I apologise if I have offended you and I don't mind meeting you up for a cup of kopi 'O' to talk about Singapore football till the cows come home.

Cheerios bro.
Anyone going for the game tomorrow?

Fazer · 27th July 2008, 09:24

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

I never imagined this thread would turn into a discussion of race in Singapore (However, not many other places where we can do that, right?

)

I agree strongly with what Keano was saying about the bias towards Chinese in the job market here.

I agree strongly with what I've highlighted in Sitting Bull's post. However, I wasn't educated here so I can't comment on his second point.

Several of you have complained that the coaches and players talk only in their own language (i.e. Malay). Come on, for fuck's sake, Malay is one of the 4 national languages, the National Anthem is in Malay, your fathers' generation all spoke Malay - why the fuck can't you? The whole speak English and speak Mandarin campaigns have failed spectacularly because most Singaporeans can't communicate effectively in either language! We're surrounded by almost 300 million ethnic Malays (Malaysia and Indonesia) so don't you think it would be sensible to learn our neighbours' language?

The comparison I make is with African Americans in the US. The majority race there (the whites) think the blacks are lazy and stupid and good only for sports and entertainment as careers (other than the shit jobs at the bottom of the social pile). That is what the majority in Singapore thinks of the Malays.

Concerning the superiority complex of the Brits in Singapore, I think it's you who has an inferiority complex. When I first came here 30 years ago I was a brit expat and yes, I absolutely had a superiority complex. That has been well and truly knocked out of me now that I live (very happily) in a 3 room HDB in AMK. The younger Brits I occasionally meet here nowadays are just thrilled to be able to get the fuck out of the UK and have no kind of superiority complex at all.

I had to put in my 10 cents worth here, but I do hope all of us will be able to meet up at whatever pub during the season to watch the game and share our mutual love of United and our joy at thrashing the pretenders to our throne(s). The name of our beloved club is UNITED, right?

BillyBob me old China, most of us have no issues with Brits or expats in Singapore, I myself have many Brit friends and we get along fine as long as they go easy on the Cockney.
Watching games together during the season might be a good way for Singaporean and Singaporean expats CAF members to mingle and talk about the team closest to our hearts, LIVERPOOL.....DOH...just kidding..the RED DEVILS of course.

R.Nilsson7 · 27th July 2008, 09:38

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/820...4831B75F48EF45

three legs!

Dino · 27th July 2008, 09:56

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Originally Posted by Pronewbie

You've got a point. Indians are also pretty bad in this as well.

You cant just say whatever you wish.So if the indians and malays are the main culprits,are you saying the chinese are not?There's minority in every races to be blamed in situations like this.Your words misused can implicate things.Bk to the anderson thread.

Domino · 27th July 2008, 10:41

http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/sports/...71748,00.html?

Anderson you legend;

Domino · 27th July 2008, 10:42

or a group of boys from the School of the Arts, it was watching a movie at Plaza Singapura that was topmost on their minds.

But for one of their classmates, 12-year-old Nishok, there was only one thing on his mind - to watch his favourite player, Anderson, in action at the National Stadium, where the Brazilian Olympic team was holding a public training session yesterday.

Despite the peer pressure, Nishok left them and made his way to the ground alone in the unrelenting drizzle.

Nishok would never imagine how his persistence was to pay off.
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His song grabs the attention of Anderson, who gives him his boots, driving Nishok to tears. Then, he invites him down to the pitch for a chat. A day little Nishok will never forget. --TNP Pictures: MOHD ISHAK

As the Brazilians were about to wind down their session, the Manchester United and Brazil fan suddenly broke into a song.

It went: 'Anderson-son-son, he's better than Kleberson...'

And it certainly caught the attention of the 20-year-old United midfielder.

First he waved at Nishok.
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A while later, he pointed towards the boy while sitting down and talking to a team-mate.

Then came the unexpected as his team-mates trooped off the field.

Anderson stood up, and headed towards a stunned Nishok.

With a swing of his arm, he threw up a boot.

It was caught by someone next to Nishok, but Anderson signalled for it to be passed to him instead.

Then, he threw the remaining boot.

It was enough for the Secondary 1 student to break into tears.

He said afterwards: 'I just felt that he should know that I'm his fan, so I started to sing.

'And the crowd was getting quiet, and I wanted to make it livelier.

'His gesture was something I least expected.

'I thought he was just going to come over and say 'hi'.'
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But that wasn't all.

As Anderson warmed down at the side of the pitch, he signalled for the Brazilian media officer to invite Nishok down from the grandstand on to the field, to have a chat with him.

For the second time, Nishok was the envy of the 500 plus spectators, as he chatted with the player for close to five minutes.

At one point, Brazil coach Dunga even helped him to snap a photograph.

Nishok, who plays foo

25th July 2008, 02:27	#41 (permalink)
Pronewbie Peep Join Date: May 2004 Location: In front of My Computer (C:\) Posts: 1,365	I don't think there will be many going for the Brazil match. This is probably going to lose money for the organisers. By the way, I just played against Dollah Kassim recently in a friendly match. He scored 1 against me.

25th July 2008, 09:01	#43 (permalink)
Pronewbie Peep Join Date: May 2004 Location: In front of My Computer (C:\) Posts: 1,365	Yeah He's old and bumbling, and smokes as well. Pretty fit for his age and habit I suppose.

25th July 2008, 11:43	#44 (permalink)
Fazer Youth Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Season's Park Posts: 444	Yup..Malaysia cup days of the 70s and 80s were special. I remember my dad and I going to the stadium at 3.30 even though kick off was at 7.30. The supporters would blow up all these conical shaped balloons, complete with their cigarette smoke and release them when Singapore take the bow at the centre circle. Back in those days..I guess they were not so strict on crowd control and we once had 80+ thousand in the stadium for the game against Penang. Most Malaysian state teams at that time apart from Selangor and maybe Pahang who had decent sized stadiums themselves were almost always overawed by the (Kallang Roar). How the ground shook when we were awarded a corner and the deafening roar of the fans surely almost always gave us our 12th and 13th man on the field. Mohd. Noh, Dollah Kassim, Quah Kim Song, Samad Allapitchay and much later on Fandi and Sundram together with the foreign imports, Abba and Michael Vana..those were surely the best days of Singapore football, sadly I am afraid never to be repeated. The S-League to put it mildly, is such a joke. I look at the standard of play and I laugh. The majority of the players probably would have trouble getting into my Singapore Air Defence Artillery team of 1986, champions of the SAF inter formation tournament that year and not surprisingly none of us ever played for Safsa, not surprising as none of us were Malays. Such is the politics of football in Singapore.

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Pronewbie Peep Join Date: May 2004 Location: In front of My Computer (C:\) Posts: 1,365	Agree with you Fazer. I was horribly disgusted by it. The racial politics is prevalent even in grassroots level.

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December_16 Arse wiper and cock washer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Football that just makes you purrrrrr Posts: 3,350	After that, he's coming to Vietnam with Olympics Brazil Shame I'm not going

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Pronewbie Peep Join Date: May 2004 Location: In front of My Computer (C:\) Posts: 1,365	He never said why though. And the coaches and players keep to themselves by speaking Malay, or like in the case of my Primary school, Tamil. Fuckin' hell.

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Fazer Youth Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Season's Park Posts: 444	Hopefully we can see a few Chinese players coming through the ranks soon but don't hold your breath waiting. If all else fail, we can always look towards the Middle Kingdom for reinforcements. That would be a good laugh with half the team not understanding each other.

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Domino Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: London Posts: 956	http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/sports/...71748,00.html? Anderson you legend;