Andy Cole

ralphie88 · 8th July 2008, 14:19

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Originally Posted by Spoonov

Against who did he score a cracking scissor kick from the edge of the area?

My gut instinct was to say Leicester at OT (in front of the Stretty).

Just had a look on stretfordend.co.uk and he scored 2 at home to Leicester in 1999/2000.

Spoonatov · 8th July 2008, 14:20

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Originally Posted by Ixion

Mud sticks and after Hoddle said what he did Cole was never going to get the respect he deserved. His first full season was poor by his own admission, but he greatly improved as a player and after Cantona left he was quality.

Only Bergkamp and Giggs have more assists from open play in Premiership history, thats a bloody impressive stat really.

I never knew that. Amazing for a number 9.

Ixion · 8th July 2008, 14:22

I reckon Cole's best goal for us was against Leeds in 2000, against our biggest title rivals and we were getting out played, Scholes hoofs a ball up field, Cole wins the header, flicks it on past Radabe and outpaces him to the goal, and slots it past Martyn. Fantastic goal that practically won us the league.

Red Hand Devil · 8th July 2008, 14:26

No worries, cheers for looking lads.

My mate's an ignorant bollox when it comes to Andy Cole, even if i pulled the stats up he probably still be shiting on about how Cole played in a better team than Shearer so therefore had more service blah blah.... just some people dont like certain players & will not listen to stats that totally deminish their poor argument i.e. my mate!

CnutOfAllCnuts · 8th July 2008, 14:27

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Originally Posted by Ixion

I reckon Cole's best goal for us was against Leeds in 2000, against our biggest title rivals and we were getting out played, Scholes hoofs a ball up field, Cole wins the header, flicks it on past Radabe and outpaces him to the goal, and slots it past Martyn. Fantastic goal that practically won us the league.

Great goal

That was the game Beckham was dropped for, after his argument with Sir Alex, wasn't it?

Nem 7 · 8th July 2008, 14:28

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Originally Posted by Ixion

Only Bergkamp and Giggs have more assists from open play in Premiership history, thats a bloody impressive stat really.

Criminally underrated.

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Originally Posted by Magnus

I will never admire such an opinion (FAT FUCKING SCOUSE FOWLER

). I´ll respect it though, just

Red Hand Devil · 8th July 2008, 14:29

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Originally Posted by Brwned

There are much more incontrovertible statistics by which Cole should be judged. In the history of the Premiership, only Alan Shearer has scored more goals (260 to Cole's 187). Even more tellingly for a player whose approach play never got any credit, never mind as much as it deserved, only Ryan Giggs and Dennis Bergkamp have more assists from open play than Cole's 127. And if you exclude penalties (Shearer 56, Cole 1), Cole's goals-per-Premiership-games ratio is actually higher than Shearer's.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/feb/01/1

You're a fucking legend mate - cheers big lad

Brwned · 8th July 2008, 14:35

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Originally Posted by Red Hand Devil

You're a fucking legend mate - cheers big lad

Any time mate.

kristinson · 8th July 2008, 14:46

I hate saying it but fowler in his hayday was untouchable,

Cole was top quality, i think the lack of respect came due to his somewhat flat personna. I saw a clip last night of his 4 goals v ipswich, quality.

to see the best of him just watch the treble season again, he and york were unstoppable right from day one.

Striker10 · 8th July 2008, 14:51

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Originally Posted by kristinson

I hate saying it but fowler in his hayday was untouchable,

Cole was top quality, i think the lack of respect came due to his somewhat flat personna. I saw a clip last night of his 4 goals v ipswich, quality.

to see the best of him just watch the treble season again, he and york were unstoppable right from day one.

people said that about cole - about him being boring or whatever but that was always crap. I mean Shearer wasn't exactly mr fun was he?

It's incredible, the improvement in Yorke when we bought him.

kristinson · 8th July 2008, 14:56

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Originally Posted by Striker10

people said that about cole - about him being boring or whatever but that was always crap. I mean Shearer wasn't exactly mr fun was he?

It's incredible, the improvement in Yorke when we bought him.

your right about shearer but he was mr england afterall, loved by the tabloids, pundits etc... whereas the rest appeared to be out to get cole.

Quinny1999 · 8th July 2008, 15:00

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

If I am not wrong, all former first team players get free season tickets. I think.

You are having a laugh aren't you?? I cannot see/hope this is true under the Glazer regime, when they put ours up every season and give them away for free to former players would be a piss take. They have the money to pay for a seat anywhere in the ground.

Brwned · 8th July 2008, 15:04

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Originally Posted by Quinny1999

You are having a laugh aren't you?? I cannot see/hope this is true under the Glazer regime, when they put ours up every season and give them away for free to former players would be a piss take. They have the money to pay for a seat anywhere in the ground.

He was vital in our treble winning season(amongst many others) and you're complaining that he's given a free season ticket?

Quinny1999 · 8th July 2008, 15:06

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Originally Posted by ralphie88

My gut instinct was to say Leicester at OT (in front of the Stretty).

Just had a look on stretfordend.co.uk and he scored 2 at home to Leicester in 1999/2000.

It was Leicester, cannot remember the year but I remember the goal clearly and it was Leicester.

Quinny1999 · 8th July 2008, 15:09

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Originally Posted by Brwned

He was vital in our treble winning season(amongst many others) and you're complaining that he's given a free season ticket?

Err yeah fackin right I am. Why should working class people have to struggle to pay for their season tickets and then former players get them for free when they have earned millions for doing something they loved.

Doesn't happen anyway, I am sure of it.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 8th July 2008, 15:10

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Originally Posted by Quinny1999

You are having a laugh aren't you?? I cannot see/hope this is true under the Glazer regime, when they put ours up every season and give them away for free to former players would be a piss take. They have the money to pay for a seat anywhere in the ground.

Not all of them.

I think it was Henning Berg who once mentioned it.

sammsky1 · 8th July 2008, 15:13

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Originally Posted by topper

but he did miss a lot of chances - wonderful player and a great pairing with Yorke

but that his where the key misunderstanding of his genius was .... most strikers never get into the positions cole got into to game after game to create the chance in the first place... had he converted 40% of his chances he would have scored over 50+ goals a season ... which is unrealistic!

I loved Andy Cole ... he gets the ball, he scores a goal, Andy Andy Cole.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 8th July 2008, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Quinny1999

Err yeah fackin right I am. Why should working class people have to struggle to pay for their season tickets and then former players get them for free when they have earned millions for doing something they loved.

Doesn't happen anyway, I am sure of it.

Only players who have played the last decade have earned millions.

Brwned · 8th July 2008, 15:15

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Originally Posted by Quinny1999

Err yeah fackin right I am. Why should working class people have to struggle to pay for their season tickets and then former players get them for free when they have earned millions for doing something they loved.

Doesn't happen anyway, I am sure of it.

I'm not saying it's fair that working class people struggle to pay for season tickets, but I just think Cole has given more than enough to the club to be granted a season ticket.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 8th July 2008, 15:18

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Originally Posted by Brwned

I'm not saying it's fair that working class people struggle to pay for season tickets, but I just think Cole has given more than enough to the club to be granted a season ticket.

I agree with Quinny about the modern day players. There is no reason for it anymore.

It was a nice gesture for the players a few decades ago though.

Quinny1999 · 8th July 2008, 15:50

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Only players who have played the last decade have earned millions.

Last decade?? Since the Premiership started (1992), and before that players still earned millions, maybe not a year like they do now, but during their playing careers they did.

Put it this way, I earn just over the national average wage and can afford one so any footballer in the Premiership certainly can, and that includes the last 20 years.

Quinny1999 · 8th July 2008, 15:54

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Originally Posted by Brwned

I'm not saying it's fair that working class people struggle to pay for season tickets, but I just think Cole has given more than enough to the club to be granted a season ticket.

I think we need to realise one thing here, granting them a season ticket anywhere they want to sit in the ground is one thing, if they then pay for it then fine, but getting it for free is a joke. How long do they get it for free, life? Then is this passed on to their kids??

Cole was a great player and I have a lot of time for him, especially as he still comes to games when he can and confesses to be a United fan. Ex players are more than capable of paying there way so why shouldn't they.

I am not saying have him become a One United Member or One Year Season Ticket holder or go on the waiting list, but hell yeah, he should pay for the tickets he gets.

Brwned · 8th July 2008, 16:07

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Originally Posted by Quinny1999

I think we need to realise one thing here, granting them a season ticket anywhere they want to sit in the ground is one thing, if they then pay for it then fine, but getting it for free is a joke. How long do they get it for free, life? Then is this passed on to their kids??

Cole was a great player and I have a lot of time for him, especially as he still comes to games when he can and confesses to be a United fan. Ex players are more than capable of paying there way so why shouldn't they.

I am not saying have him become a One United Member or One Year Season Ticket holder or go on the waiting list, but hell yeah, he should pay for the tickets he gets.

They are more than capable of paying, and if they did that would be completely fair. But during his career for us I'm sure that with the trophies he helped us win he has more than paid his dues.

KeyserSoze · 8th July 2008, 16:10

Does anyone know for certain whether or not Cole paid for his season ticket?

Quinny1999 · 8th July 2008, 16:16

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Originally Posted by KeyserSoze

Does anyone know for certain whether or not Cole paid for his season ticket?

Good point but no, as usual we are just going off on a tangent...

Please continue

Quinny1999 · 8th July 2008, 16:18

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Originally Posted by Brwned

They are more than capable of paying, and if they did that would be completely fair. But during his career for us I'm sure that with the trophies he helped us win he has more than paid his dues.

You are entitled to your opinion and I know where your coming from....but;

The way I see it, Andy Cole got to play for the biggest club in the world and got paid millions for it. Granted he treated us to some great specticles and in the process helped us win some important trophies, but the fact he can just call the club and obtain a season ticket in my opinion is pay back enough. When the club has so much dept and people like me are paying good money for their season tickets, then I think ex-players - who's pockets were lined by the fans - should also pay as well.

talking robot · 8th July 2008, 16:27

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

No never got the respect he probably deserved. A fine player.

If I am not wrong, all former first team players get free season tickets. I think.

Even he who should not be named?

acnumber9 · 8th July 2008, 16:48

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Originally Posted by Decotron

Yorke was better mate
Ruud was on a different planet

I can't agree with you on Dwight Yorke. Yorkie had one great season on and one good season. He never made the most of his ability. Andy Cole was much more consistent and overall contributed more to the team. Too often the credit for the partnership was given to Yorke. Cole scored goals with Yorke or without him. Yorke was never quite the same without Cole.

Ruud was definitely a notch or two above both of them though.

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Ixion Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greater Manchester Posts: 3,496	I reckon Cole's best goal for us was against Leeds in 2000, against our biggest title rivals and we were getting out played, Scholes hoofs a ball up field, Cole wins the header, flicks it on past Radabe and outpaces him to the goal, and slots it past Martyn. Fantastic goal that practically won us the league.

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Red Hand Devil Dear RHD.. I need your advice. My girlfriend recently.. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In the waiting room to audition for Ronaldo McDonaldo's stunt double whilst removing the stickers of the Rubik's Cube Posts: 4,228	No worries, cheers for looking lads. My mate's an ignorant bollox when it comes to Andy Cole, even if i pulled the stats up he probably still be shiting on about how Cole played in a better team than Shearer so therefore had more service blah blah.... just some people dont like certain players & will not listen to stats that totally deminish their poor argument i.e. my mate!

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kristinson Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Dubai Posts: 947	I hate saying it but fowler in his hayday was untouchable, Cole was top quality, i think the lack of respect came due to his somewhat flat personna. I saw a clip last night of his 4 goals v ipswich, quality. to see the best of him just watch the treble season again, he and york were unstoppable right from day one.

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KeyserSoze First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Batigol Posts: 7,131	Does anyone know for certain whether or not Cole paid for his season ticket?