Andy Cole

MadDogg · 8th July 2008, 18:28

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Originally Posted by onlyoneunited

Interestingly, he's exactly the kind of player we need now as well.

That's certainly true. He'd be devastating in our current team.

Who would people say was better out of Saha and Cole at their very best? I can't make up my mind. Sometimes I think Saha, but othertimes (like now) I think Cole.

KeyserSoze · 8th July 2008, 18:33

Cole is head and shoulders above Saha for me.

Outstanding.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 8th July 2008, 18:51

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Originally Posted by 711

I'm too stupid to do links, but the official site has an item on Andrew Cole, a true United fan with season tickets for himself and son.

Top man, Andy Cole, not given the respect he's due by many United fans, I think.

Why? He was a fantastic striker. A great servant and is the second highest goal score in EPL history. How dare they

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 8th July 2008, 18:54

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Originally Posted by MadDogg

That's certainly true. He'd be devastating in our current team.

Who would people say was better out of Saha and Cole at their very best? I can't make up my mind. Sometimes I think Saha, but othertimes (like now) I think Cole.

Cole for me. He was more clinical. Yet he was almost as good as Saha with a ball at his feet

MadDogg · 8th July 2008, 19:21

Yeah, I've been watching some clips and it's bought the memories flooding back. Cole for sure.

I think Saha has more pure talent than Cole, but Cole made the most of his talent. Whereas Saha, even when he can stay fully fit, isn't quite as good as he could have been.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 8th July 2008, 19:39

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Originally Posted by Quinny1999

Last decade?? Since the Premiership started (1992), and before that players still earned millions, maybe not a year like they do now, but during their playing careers they did.

Put it this way, I earn just over the national average wage and can afford one so any footballer in the Premiership certainly can, and that includes the last 20 years.

Two words:

Neil Webb

Quinny1999 · 8th July 2008, 21:04

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Two words:

Neil Webb

And your point is? Your telling me that he wouldn't have earned over a million during a 'career' at United? He was only there 3 years, I am talking about 10 years being a 'career'. Starting at United in 89 he would have seen the introduction of the Premiership and earned over a million.

I won't in my lifetime unless I will the lottery!!

CnutOfAllCnuts · 8th July 2008, 21:21

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Originally Posted by Quinny1999

I won't in my lifetime unless I will the lottery!!

That, to be fair, is not United's or any footballer's fault.

It is not unknown that companies give employees perks, and some companies let certain employees keep these perks long after they've left the company.

heightmassive · 8th July 2008, 21:27

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

It is not unknown that companies give employees perks, and some companies let certain employees keep these perks long after they've left the company.

Very true and I imagine it's more an offer of 'if ever you want tickets' rather than allocating a seat in the ground to them.

If it was up to me I'd let Andy Cole have one and tell Neil Webb to sling it.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 8th July 2008, 21:29

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Originally Posted by heightmassive

If it was up to me I'd let Andy Cole have one and tell Neil Webb to sling it.

That's fat-ist!

Tribec · 8th July 2008, 21:36

I would suggest that Cole's reputation wasn't helped by that miss on his debut, we'd bought him as an out and out goal scorer, which was something we hadn't had for a good few years at the time. McClair had been bought as such, but after his first season, and Sparky came back his goals though still plenty, was not enough for a really successful team. That miss gave everyone the ammunition to gun him down.

I remember my dad moaning about him often, though it was my dad didn't like Robbo, but still by the time Cole had left, he'd won my dad over which was some feat. His all round game had improved and he'd become a far greater player than we could have imagined. I remember in 96 that he started to struggle a little towards the end of the season and he and Scholes swapped seats on the bench a fair bit, but he came back and in 99 was a world class.

Someone mentioned about Yorke, I wasn't a fan of his, 99 was his year, and then it went down hill from there, Cole though never quite as brilliant as he was in 99, still maintained a higher standard that Yorke did.

711 · 8th July 2008, 21:40

Yorke was a good player but dismally slow, for a 60/40 run, in his favour, he wouldn't even try.

Ixion · 8th July 2008, 23:11

Nem 7 · 9th July 2008, 00:05

Legend.

mustaine · 9th July 2008, 01:04

My all time favorite player.

ronnie dazzler · 9th July 2008, 01:24

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Originally Posted by Spoonov

All strikers miss chances, though. The fact that his conversion rate was as good if not better than Shearer's proves that he was pretty clinical. Unless stats lie, that is. Got far too much flack. . . perhaps it was down the his transfer fee. I think his control could be off at times, but he created so much space with his pace.

i loved watching him and felt strongly about sticking up for him when he was getting loads of flak. Trouble with his misses sometimes was that they looked bad.

I think shearer and others missed just as much, but there were less miskicks by them or awkward finishes when it went wide. so he gave off the perception that his finishing was more wayward

Quinny1999 · 9th July 2008, 09:57

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

That, to be fair, is not United's or any footballer's fault..

Never said it was, making the point that the fans who have contributed to making the players millionnaires shouldn't still have to pay for the players perks when they have stopped playing for the club. The fact they can get a season ticket (if true) whenever they ask is enough of a perk, paying £700 a season for it is nothing to players of the last decade so right they should pay up .......... simple as that.

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

It is not unknown that companies give employees perks, and some companies let certain employees keep these perks long after they've left the company.

I would like to see which companies in day to day business let ex-employees keep the perks they had when employed there. Not many I can tell you.

Johnno · 9th July 2008, 10:02

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Originally Posted by Spoonov

Against who did he score a cracking scissor kick from the edge of the area?

Leicester City, 1999-2000 season

Johnno · 9th July 2008, 10:06

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Originally Posted by ralphie88

Yorke was the best striker in Europe for one season in my opinion.

But one season only.

I would totally agree.
One thing Cole had over Van Nistelrooy by the way as someone mentioned Ruud earlier, was Cole was able to play in a partnership with Cantona and most effectively with Yorke.
Ruud was an incredible striker and ultimately better than Cole but he scored goals and that was it; Cole did exactly the same at Newcastle yet when he came to United, he worked hard to add an extra dimension to his game and became a great team player.

kristinson · 9th July 2008, 10:14

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Originally Posted by Ixion

Excellent video, some great moments and goals, oooooh goosebumps

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 9th July 2008, 10:54

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Originally Posted by Johnno

I would totally agree.
One thing Cole had over Van Nistelrooy by the way as someone mentioned Ruud earlier, was Cole was able to play in a partnership with Cantona and most effectively with Yorke.
Ruud was an incredible striker and ultimately better than Cole but he scored goals and that was it; Cole did exactly the same at Newcastle yet when he came to United, he worked hard to add an extra dimension to his game and became a great team player.

Dude, Ruud was and still is a fantastic team player

Johnno · 9th July 2008, 11:18

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Dude, Ruud was and still is a fantastic team player

My arse he was. Great player yes, did fuck all except score though my brother. Never tracked back. Never assisted to the level normally associated with other United forwards (Hughes, McClair, Cantona, Yorke, Rooney etc). Eventually, allegedly, began to verbally bully Ronaldo then sulked when he was dropped which suggests selfish reasoning rather than for the greater good of the team.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 9th July 2008, 11:37

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Originally Posted by Quinny1999

I would like to see which companies in day to day business let ex-employees keep the perks they had when employed there. Not many I can tell you.

Not many, but not unheard of.

I worked for a large hotel chain a few years ago, and I still get to stay for free whenever I like for another 7 years.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 9th July 2008, 11:43

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Originally Posted by Johnno

My arse he was. Great player yes, did fuck all except score though my brother. Never tracked back. Never assisted to the level normally associated with other United forwards (Hughes, McClair, Cantona, Yorke, Rooney etc). Eventually, allegedly, began to verbally bully Ronaldo then sulked when he was dropped which suggests selfish reasoning rather than for the greater good of the team.

I'm rather surprised you are saying this. Because Cole himself wasn't that great with assists. But Ruud just like he, was still excellent at link up and hold up play. No question. Ruud even showed this at the recently ended Euro's and at REAL last season.

The season we signed him even, he was on fire and in 2002/03 when we had the perfect side surronding him he was phenomenal. Much more than an Inzaghish striker like you are making him out to be. His work rate was excellent. Even in in the first half of the season we sold him, he and Rooney were sublime as a partnership and Ruud was working hard for the side. It's just being the main man in the side got to his head and this below

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Originally Posted by Johnno

began to verbally bully Ronaldo then sulked when he was dropped which suggests selfish reasoning rather than for the greater good of the team.

happened with us and with the Dutch national team. Which he paid dearly for with his United carreer. But he has long since reformed.

Lot 49 · 9th July 2008, 11:53

What does Andy Cole have in common with a jigsaw?

He was a good player but god damn was he frustrating with his finishing, some matches he was lethal and then the next he couldn't hit a barn door.

Johnno · 9th July 2008, 11:53

I agree he was almost perfect for us....with David Beckham crossing to him, boom; goal.
But after Beckham left, he turned into a miserable little twat always complaining

Ixion · 9th July 2008, 11:55

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

I'm rather surprised you are saying this. Because Cole himself wasn't that great with assists.

I refer you to an earlier post in this thread:

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Originally Posted by Brwned

There are much more incontrovertible statistics by which Cole should be judged. In the history of the Premiership, only Alan Shearer has scored more goals (260 to Cole's 187). Even more tellingly for a player whose approach play never got any credit, never mind as much as it deserved, only Ryan Giggs and Dennis Bergkamp have more assists from open play than Cole's 127. And if you exclude penalties (Shearer 56, Cole 1), Cole's goals-per-Premiership-games ratio is actually higher than Shearer's.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/feb/01/1

Drifter · 9th July 2008, 11:55

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Originally Posted by Lot 49

What does Andy Cole have in common with a jigsaw?

Something about box and pieces no doubt.Which is a myth spread by Hoddle.

Lot 49 · 9th July 2008, 11:58

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Originally Posted by Drifter

Something about box and pieces no doubt.Which is a myth spread by Hoddle.

I don't know what Hoddle has to do with anything but it's not a myth that Cole did miss a lot of brilliant chances.

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KeyserSoze First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Batigol Posts: 7,123	Cole is head and shoulders above Saha for me. Outstanding.

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MadDogg Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: “Manchester United never lose, they just run out of time” Posts: 3,300	Yeah, I've been watching some clips and it's bought the memories flooding back. Cole for sure. I think Saha has more pure talent than Cole, but Cole made the most of his talent. Whereas Saha, even when he can stay fully fit, isn't quite as good as he could have been.

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Tribec Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Out and Proud of it.... I'm a Red and I'm from Salford. Posts: 2,071	I would suggest that Cole's reputation wasn't helped by that miss on his debut, we'd bought him as an out and out goal scorer, which was something we hadn't had for a good few years at the time. McClair had been bought as such, but after his first season, and Sparky came back his goals though still plenty, was not enough for a really successful team. That miss gave everyone the ammunition to gun him down. I remember my dad moaning about him often, though it was my dad didn't like Robbo, but still by the time Cole had left, he'd won my dad over which was some feat. His all round game had improved and he'd become a far greater player than we could have imagined. I remember in 96 that he started to struggle a little towards the end of the season and he and Scholes swapped seats on the bench a fair bit, but he came back and in 99 was a world class. Someone mentioned about Yorke, I wasn't a fan of his, 99 was his year, and then it went down hill from there, Cole though never quite as brilliant as he was in 99, still maintained a higher standard that Yorke did.

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711 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: May I suggest a regimental crest of two crossed dead Frenchmen, emblazoned on a mound of dead Frenchmen motif? Posts: 1,755	Yorke was a good player but dismally slow, for a 60/40 run, in his favour, he wouldn't even try.

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Ixion Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greater Manchester Posts: 3,492

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Nem 7 Look, I'm a cunt, can type in colour so I must be important. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Outside Right Posts: 5,046	Legend.

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mustaine Youth Team Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Reykjavik, Iceland Posts: 268	My all time favorite player.

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Lot 49 Doom Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,174	What does Andy Cole have in common with a jigsaw? He was a good player but god damn was he frustrating with his finishing, some matches he was lethal and then the next he couldn't hit a barn door.

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Johnno Destroyer of bullies Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 6,909	I agree he was almost perfect for us....with David Beckham crossing to him, boom; goal. But after Beckham left, he turned into a miserable little twat always complaining