Antonio Valencia...

NextSeason · 19th December 2009, 23:45

would be a fucking good player if he learned how to cross a football.

MrMarcello · 19th December 2009, 23:48

I'd prefer him to cut into the box more. He seems to have one goal in mind when running down the right... send in a cross. He often rushes his crosses which is probably why they're crap at times. He'll also attempt to cross when the defender has him marked very well, which is a terrible decision. There are times he has acres of space or has beaten his man and could run into the box but he'll force a cross instead.

Alex · 19th December 2009, 23:50

He is far from a problem at the moment

OneUnited24 · 19th December 2009, 23:51

Too bad Nanis out injuried hes usually a good scapegoat to use

kouroux · 19th December 2009, 23:51

The thing is, he can cross it very well.He was just average at it today

gaffs · 19th December 2009, 23:51

He’s been one of our best players recently.

IhabX7 · 19th December 2009, 23:52

He's the best crosser at the club by far.

OneUnited24 · 19th December 2009, 23:53

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Originally Posted by IhabX7

He's the best crosser at the club by far.

I think Giggs is better, even Nani on his day is quite good (on both feet asweel)

Alex · 19th December 2009, 23:55

Nani is the best crosser when he can be asked to do such a thing

mungy · 19th December 2009, 23:56

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Originally Posted by OneUnited24

I think Giggs is better, even Nani on his day is quite good (on both feet asweel)

Nani a better crosser than Valencia

mungy · 19th December 2009, 23:57

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Originally Posted by Alex

Nani is the best crosser when he can be asked to do such a thing

Exactly, he never crosses.

MrMarcello · 19th December 2009, 23:57

Nani can deliver a great cross and is a different player when played on right as well.

OneUnited24 · 20th December 2009, 00:03

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Originally Posted by mungy

Nani a better crosser than Valencia

Umm he is...

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Originally Posted by mungy

Exactly, he never crosses.

Crap! i wonder how he magically got the ball onto Owens head for the opening goal vs Wolfsburg surely some sort of powerful magic

NextSeason · 20th December 2009, 00:06

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Originally Posted by kouroux

The thing is, he can cross it very well.He was just average at it today

100% disagree. I've been watching him very closely this season and he has hardly put in any decent crosses, let alone good ones. Because he always checks in and out so much he can't get generate much backlift because he has no momentum and has to resort to toe punting it in or just swinging his foot at hit to generate as much power as possible.

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Originally Posted by gaffs

He’s been one of our best players recently.

Disagree - he has much scored a few goals. He is very unproductive if you watch him closely.

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Originally Posted by IhabX7

He's the best crosser at the club by far.

I hope that is a joke. Giggs, Rooney, Nani, Evra, Neville, Hargreaves, Carrick, Gibson and all much better crossers of the ball.

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Originally Posted by OneUnited24

I think Giggs is better, even Nani on his day is quite good (on both feet asweel)

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Alex

Nani is the best crosser when he can be asked to do such a thing

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by mungy

Nani a better crosser than Valencia

Jokes on you mate.

evil_geko · 20th December 2009, 00:07

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Originally Posted by mungy

Nani a better crosser than Valencia

Errr he is, and much better for that matter.

Boss · 20th December 2009, 00:08

Nani is a better crosser, his footballing brain just doesn't allow his to use this skill when the space opens up, he would rather cut back in to seal the space up.

OneUnited24 · 20th December 2009, 00:09

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Originally Posted by MrMarcello

Nani can deliver a great cross and is a different player when played on right as well.

Thats something i've wanted to see for a while now, it seems when hes on the right he looks quite deadly but it seems hes shoved to the left because there arent many better who can play that role (when Giggs isnt playing), we tried with Anderson eariler this season, Obertans still learning the trade and Valencia would get exposed on the left. For Portugal Nani plays on the right and he looks much better (or he did in the last 2 games i saw of them)

mungy · 20th December 2009, 00:16

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Originally Posted by evil_geko

Errr he is, and much better for that matter.

Bollocks....No way is Nani better than Valencia.

mungy · 20th December 2009, 00:18

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Originally Posted by OneUnited24

Umm he is...

Crap! i wonder how he magically got the ball onto Owens head for the opening goal vs Wolfsburg surely some sort of powerful magic

Fucking hell

OK he does the odd cross.

Richter · 20th December 2009, 00:18

Nani is a better crosser when he can be bothered, Valencia really needs to put some more power in his crosses. They either fail to beat the the first man or they just kinda linger in the air and are then easily cleared by a cb...

Ekeke · 20th December 2009, 00:19

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Originally Posted by kouroux

The thing is, he can cross it very well.He was just average at it today

No he cant. He can send decent crosses an inch behind people but in general he has some wonky crossing. When teams defend properly his crossing isnt much of a weapon. He's much better leading a counter attack and making a pass to set up a goal than he is on the flank, beating a fullback and putting quality into the box.

mungy · 20th December 2009, 00:20

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Originally Posted by NextSeason

Jokes on you mate.

and what a great joke it was

Ekeke · 20th December 2009, 00:24

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Originally Posted by IhabX7

He's the best crosser at the club by far.

Except for Giggs, Nani, Rooney, Rafael, Gary Neville, Carrick and maybe even Evra as he's just slightly improved his delivery into the box this season.

kouroux · 20th December 2009, 00:24

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

No he cant. He can send decent crosses an inch behind people but in general he has some wonky crossing. When teams defend properly his crossing isnt much of a weapon. He's much better leading a counter attack and making a pass to set up a goal than he is on the flank, beating a fullback and putting quality into the box.

Oh yeah he can, he was doing it with ease at Wigan and has done it several times at United

IhabX7 · 20th December 2009, 00:25

So a player has a bad day with crosses and now he becomes a bad crosser? Fuckin hell.

NextSeason · 20th December 2009, 00:27

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Originally Posted by IhabX7

So a player has a bad day with crosses and now he becomes a bad crosser? Fuckin hell.

Not at all. I've come to this assumption after watching him in around 6 months. Can you name a good cross he's put into the box that has lead to a goal for us?

I have nothing against the guy, I'm a United supporter that wants him to well. But the fact is, he is shite at crossing, and needs to work on it.

He could become an excellent player for us and I really hope he does.

Ekeke · 20th December 2009, 00:27

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Originally Posted by IhabX7

So a player has a bad day with crosses and now he becomes a bad crosser? Fuckin hell.

Bad season with crosses. Although we're only half way, he could get Beckham's right boot for christmas... He'd probably just put it on ebay though.

kouroux · 20th December 2009, 00:29

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Originally Posted by NextSeason

100% disagree. I've been watching him very closely this season and he has hardly put in any decent crosses, let alone good ones.

I respect your view but I can't agree to it just like you

mungy · 20th December 2009, 00:31

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Originally Posted by IhabX7

So a player has a bad day with crosses and now he becomes a bad crosser? Fuckin hell.

Good point.

His best asset is beating the player....but he can still cross the ball (though he does need to work on this aspect of his game)

Ekeke · 20th December 2009, 00:31

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Originally Posted by kouroux

Oh yeah he can, he was doing it with ease at Wigan and has done it several times at United

Since its only several, could you please list them? I mean they should stand out from all the poor ones he's put in... Shouldnt be too hard a task.

kouroux · 20th December 2009, 00:33

I don't feel the need nor the energy to list which cross was good and which wasn't, it's all subjective and could end up being a very useless discussion.The problem is that one has to provide proofs nowadays for everything you say, it's a bit funny I must say

OneUnited24 · 20th December 2009, 00:36

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Originally Posted by kouroux

I don't feel the need nor the energy to list which cross was good and which wasn't, it's all subjective and could end up being a very useless discussion.The problem is that one has to provide proofs nowadays for everything you say, it's a bit funny I must say

Well yeah otherwise i can sit here and say Foster is our best keeper, his record of keeping clean sheets would suggest otherwise. I like Valencia but to be honest i cannot remember a cross he did which resulted in a goal...

kouroux · 20th December 2009, 00:43

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Originally Posted by OneUnited24

Well yeah otherwise i can sit here and say Foster is our best keeper, his record of keeping clean sheets would suggest otherwise. I like Valencia but to be honest i cannot remember a cross he did which resulted in a goal...

yeah well you must know what I mean otherwise I'd be worried for you

NextSeason · 20th December 2009, 00:45

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Originally Posted by kouroux

I don't feel the need nor the energy to list which cross was good and which wasn't, it's all subjective and could end up being a very useless discussion.The problem is that one has to provide proofs nowadays for everything you say, it's a bit funny I must say

OneUnited24 · 20th December 2009, 00:45

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Originally Posted by kouroux

yeah well you must know what I mean otherwise I'd be worried for you

kouroux · 20th December 2009, 00:47

^^

Raven Blade · 20th December 2009, 00:56

Its also quite funny to see how quickly opinions change on here.

One moment a player is an essential asset, the next minute they are the scapegoat. That's the Caf in a nutshell.

Valencia's crossing was awful against Fulham but he has been playing very well in the past few weeks. This performance cannot be excused but we should try to be a little understanding. Hope he gets back up to the standards he has set because the right wing needs his speed and ability to deliver an accurate cross.

Ekeke · 20th December 2009, 01:17

Thought he wasnt that bad today but would have liked to have seen him get more involved. So his performance today and over the past few weeks have absolutely no bearing on what I think of his crossing. If you can be bothered to go through my posts on Valencia you'd see that I didnt rate it when he was at Wigan and havent been impressed with it during his time with us either. He has other qualities and when we play a front 3 I think it can hide his deficiency with crossing balls as we're more likely to attack on counter attacks where the final ball can be a pass instead of a cross into a crowded box. But good crossing? I'm yet to see it from Valencia.

Brwned · 20th December 2009, 01:46

Think he's a better crosser than any of our other wingers, better crosser than any of Chelsea's wingers, better crosser than any of Arsenal's wingers, and better crosser than any of Liverpool's wingers.

There aren't a lot of wingers that are particularly productive with their crossing these days, especially in this league.

Joe Cole, Arshavin, Nasri, Walcott, Malouda, Benayoun - all good wingers but not great crossers.

Don't think he's a particularly productive crosser but then I don't think many are, so a bit of context helps.

kietotheworld · 20th December 2009, 01:54

Chelsea don't really use wingers this season.

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19th December 2009, 23:48	#2 (permalink)
MrMarcello No Lifer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Georgia Posts: 34,214	I'd prefer him to cut into the box more. He seems to have one goal in mind when running down the right... send in a cross. He often rushes his crosses which is probably why they're crap at times. He'll also attempt to cross when the defender has him marked very well, which is a terrible decision. There are times he has acres of space or has beaten his man and could run into the box but he'll force a cross instead.

19th December 2009, 23:50	#3 (permalink)
Alex Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ____ Posts: 42,031	He is far from a problem at the moment

19th December 2009, 23:51	#4 (permalink)
OneUnited24 First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 5,972	Too bad Nanis out injuried hes usually a good scapegoat to use

19th December 2009, 23:51	#5 (permalink)
kouroux No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 32,559	The thing is, he can cross it very well.He was just average at it today

19th December 2009, 23:51	#6 (permalink)
gaffs First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Moscow 08, Rome 09, London 11 Posts: 10,111	He’s been one of our best players recently.

19th December 2009, 23:52	#7 (permalink)
IhabX7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,391	He's the best crosser at the club by far.

19th December 2009, 23:55	#9 (permalink)
Alex Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ____ Posts: 42,031	Nani is the best crosser when he can be asked to do such a thing

19th December 2009, 23:57	#12 (permalink)
MrMarcello No Lifer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Georgia Posts: 34,214	Nani can deliver a great cross and is a different player when played on right as well.

20th December 2009, 00:08	#16 (permalink)
Boss Melodramatic, attention seeking space-attacker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: I left you with enough memories to resurrect me with Posts: 24,076	Nani is a better crosser, his footballing brain just doesn't allow his to use this skill when the space opens up, he would rather cut back in to seal the space up.

20th December 2009, 00:18	#20 (permalink)
Richter Hairy big footed Swede Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 29,495	Nani is a better crosser when he can be bothered, Valencia really needs to put some more power in his crosses. They either fail to beat the the first man or they just kinda linger in the air and are then easily cleared by a cb...

20th December 2009, 00:25	#25 (permalink)
IhabX7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,391	So a player has a bad day with crosses and now he becomes a bad crosser? Fuckin hell.

20th December 2009, 00:33	#31 (permalink)
kouroux No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 32,559	I don't feel the need nor the energy to list which cross was good and which wasn't, it's all subjective and could end up being a very useless discussion.The problem is that one has to provide proofs nowadays for everything you say, it's a bit funny I must say

20th December 2009, 00:47	#36 (permalink)
kouroux No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 32,559	^^

20th December 2009, 00:56	#37 (permalink)
Raven Blade Dull Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Why do it the easy way? Do it the United way! Posts: 31,972	Its also quite funny to see how quickly opinions change on here. One moment a player is an essential asset, the next minute they are the scapegoat. That's the Caf in a nutshell. Valencia's crossing was awful against Fulham but he has been playing very well in the past few weeks. This performance cannot be excused but we should try to be a little understanding. Hope he gets back up to the standards he has set because the right wing needs his speed and ability to deliver an accurate cross.

20th December 2009, 01:17	#38 (permalink)
Ekeke First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 26,500	Thought he wasnt that bad today but would have liked to have seen him get more involved. So his performance today and over the past few weeks have absolutely no bearing on what I think of his crossing. If you can be bothered to go through my posts on Valencia you'd see that I didnt rate it when he was at Wigan and havent been impressed with it during his time with us either. He has other qualities and when we play a front 3 I think it can hide his deficiency with crossing balls as we're more likely to attack on counter attacks where the final ball can be a pass instead of a cross into a crowded box. But good crossing? I'm yet to see it from Valencia.

20th December 2009, 01:46	#39 (permalink)
Brwned Have you ever been in love before? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 39,396	Think he's a better crosser than any of our other wingers, better crosser than any of Chelsea's wingers, better crosser than any of Arsenal's wingers, and better crosser than any of Liverpool's wingers. There aren't a lot of wingers that are particularly productive with their crossing these days, especially in this league. Joe Cole, Arshavin, Nasri, Walcott, Malouda, Benayoun - all good wingers but not great crossers. Don't think he's a particularly productive crosser but then I don't think many are, so a bit of context helps.

20th December 2009, 01:54	#40 (permalink)
kietotheworld Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 12,656	Chelsea don't really use wingers this season.