Antonio Valencia...

Escobar · 16th January 2013, 09:07

It is hard to understand why anyone would say he's shit. If your brain is not damaged and you got average memory ability, you would remember that he is a very good footballer when on form. Critisize him for his current poor form, but he's obviously not a shit footballer.

Same goes for other players like Nani or Welbeck

Jaybezia · 16th January 2013, 09:18

The main thing I love with Val is his defensive commitment, is he the best tackler? No, in fact I would guess only Scholes would be below him (As that kid cannot tackle for toffees) but its all about effort for Tony V, he never stops, why some games even when he plays badly, I would rather an out of form tonio to out of form Young due to his hard work and commitment.

Hernandez - BFA · 16th January 2013, 10:13

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Originally Posted by Jaybezia

The main thing I love with Val is his defensive commitment, is he the best tackler? No, in fact I would guess only Scholes would be below him (As that kid cannot tackle for toffees) but its all about effort for Tony V, he never stops, why some games even when he plays badly, I would rather an out of form tonio to out of form Young due to his hard work and commitment.

3 different nicknames in one post. Never seen that before.

But I agree.

Sam · 16th January 2013, 21:12

All players go through bad periods. That's a given. They'll try things, and it just wont come off. Yes, its frustrating, but as long as they're trying, its acceptable. And understandable. Eventually it'll come off, and you'll play your way back into form.

What isn't acceptable, imo, is just completely going into your shell, when things aren't going well. And right now, that's what Valencia has done.

I like the lad, I think on form he a quality winger. But right now, he's not even attempting to do anything a winger should. He's literally doing nothing.

paceme · 16th January 2013, 21:14

He must be carrying an injury. He looks exhausted all the time

Sam · 16th January 2013, 21:16

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Originally Posted by paceme

He must be carrying an injury. He looks exhausted all the time

If he is, then fair enough. Its understandable.

But it would beg the question, why are we still playing him?

INF-AMOS · 16th January 2013, 21:37

Couldn't cross his legs at the moment.

Comsmit · 16th January 2013, 21:37

Right now he should be concerned for his place. Nani is back and I'm sure will have a point to prove, Young is playing better, Welbeck impressed on Sunday and there is always Kagawa to consider.

This is a game Valencia should be eating up, instead he is little more than a passenger. Rafael is basically doing everything on the right of the pitch.

Orton · 16th January 2013, 21:40

He doesn't look up when he crosses. Just puts his foot through it and hopes for the best. What's happened to him

Luminous Lizard · 16th January 2013, 21:41

Hopefully he'll play himself back into the kind of form where he was eating defenses week in week out. If we want to win against Real we'll need players like him to be at their best, because he'd give us a real threat.

100 · 16th January 2013, 21:42

I'm convinced it's an injury, everything about his game seems to have changed.

Orton · 16th January 2013, 21:43

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Originally Posted by 100

I'm convinced it's an injury, everything about his game seems to have changed.

An injury or not, it doesn't explain how he can't cross the ball for shit right now.

100 · 16th January 2013, 21:49

Well if he's altering his technique in order to reduce the strain it could do. There was a site that mentioned he had one leg shorter than the other(not sure if there's any truth to that), which could partly explain his one footedness and perhaps it gives him some problems.

It seemed last year like he'd just brush a fullback aside if he was stood up. This picture is a great indication of how things have changed, made by someone on Twitter at the height of his form last year;

I'm always right · 16th January 2013, 21:54

Some bizarre excuses coming out in here. Besides he's been fine again today for me, a few crosses haven't come off but only one bad one from what I remember.

KM · 16th January 2013, 21:55

He's been fine today. Certainly in the second half

Randall Flagg · 16th January 2013, 21:57

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Originally Posted by I'm always right

Some bizarre excuses coming out in here. Besides he's been fine again today for me, a few crosses haven't come off but only one bad one from what I remember.

Agreed, while not been near his best a much bigger improvement,

I'm always right · 16th January 2013, 21:58

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Originally Posted by 100

He's just about to be tackled!

Godfather · 16th January 2013, 21:59

That one cross he made was truly awful. Havent seen such a poor cross for quite some time

Apart from that he was average, which is an improvement.

Sam · 16th January 2013, 21:59

He was much much better in the second half. He at least tried three crosses, and managed to beat his man.

His form does seriously worry me though.

Tomuś · 16th January 2013, 22:00

I thought he was more than decent. Fucked up all but one cross.

Sam is having a bit of a mare imo.

kps88 · 16th January 2013, 22:01

I guess it was an improvement over the what we've been used to, but he was still distinctly average. Barely tried to beat his man and took the safe option far too often. That's two games in which he's been kept quiet by an eighteen year old full back.

Brwned · 16th January 2013, 22:02

Thought he and Nani were both pretty good in their approach play and poor with their end product. Getting there.

Sam · 16th January 2013, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Tomuś

I thought he was more than decent. Fucked up all but one cross.

Sam is having a bit of a mare imo.

The only one having a mare is Antonio Valencia, this season.

Sixpence · 16th January 2013, 22:04

He was average, which is a huge improvement.

Escobar · 16th January 2013, 22:05

Got better and more direct, so there is hope

Shark22 · 16th January 2013, 22:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sixpence

He was average, which is a huge improvement.

Too right.

Tomuś · 16th January 2013, 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam

The only one having a mare is Antonio Valencia, this season.

Yes, he is. What did he do wrong today though? One terrible cross and didn't make a run when Rooney could have played him in in the first half - that's about it.

I'm always right · 16th January 2013, 22:09

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Originally Posted by Tomuś

I thought he was more than decent.

Fuck me? "more than decent", you must have a Valencia hard-on to say that.

No, he wasn't. He was fine, once again, not good, not bad.

Sam · 16th January 2013, 22:11

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Originally Posted by Tomuś

Yes, he is. What did he do wrong today though? One terrible cross and didn't make a run when Rooney could have played him in in the first half - that's about it.

Well, in the first half he attempted absolutely nothing. Which is just piss poor.

In the second half, as I've already stated, he did at least try a few things. And did beat a man.

Revan · 16th January 2013, 22:11

A mare performance by him. Again.

He should be dropped for some time, or at-least he should not start. Even an off form Chicharito could do a better job in wings than what he is doing.

wr8_utd · 16th January 2013, 22:14

With Nani back and Giggs in wonderful form on the other wing and with Young as a decent backup, I would be fairly happy if Valencia didn't start another game for us this season. Even the crowd has started to groan now when he gets the ball and brings our attack down to a standstill.

Castia · 16th January 2013, 22:14

He was a bit better today, at least he actually ran at his defender a few times. Crossing wasn't great but an overall improvement on his recent performances.

I'm always right · 16th January 2013, 22:15

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Originally Posted by wr8_utd

Even the crowd has started to groan now when he gets the ball and brings our attack down to a standstill.

Oh god, don't mention that to Tomus.

I fucking hate our crowd for getting onto players backs by the way, horrible trend.

wr8_utd · 16th January 2013, 22:16

Though him taking on his man a couple of times was a bit off an encouragement but he's still the way too slow. Totally ruins our attacks with his indecisiveness.

Tomuś · 16th January 2013, 22:16

I'm Always Right - if you were as kind as to clear some PM space I would send one. I'm done with all this bullshit after yesterday.

Orton · 16th January 2013, 22:16

Giggs ran 70 yards then passed to Valencia, who thought he would go backwards after it. Giggs didn't look pleased.

Nate Dogg · 16th January 2013, 22:20

Rafael is a better winger and can cross the ball.

Why don't we swap...play Rafael on the right wing and Valencia at RB?

Cina · 16th January 2013, 22:21

Thought he was alright tonight to be honest. Certainly didn't have a "mare".

wr8_utd · 16th January 2013, 22:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate Dogg

Rafael is a better winger and can cross the ball.

Why don't we swap...play Rafael on the right wing and Valencia at RB?

We have Nani back and Giggs in wonderful form so we don't need to play Valencia at all right now.

roonaldo78 · 16th January 2013, 22:29

Thought he had an ok game today especially in the second half, some improvement from his recent performances.

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16th January 2013, 09:07	#4681 (permalink)
Escobar Poster originally known as Michel04 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: "Collar turned up, back straight, chest stuck out, he glided into the arena as if he owned the fucking place" Posts: 17,558	It is hard to understand why anyone would say he's shit. If your brain is not damaged and you got average memory ability, you would remember that he is a very good footballer when on form. Critisize him for his current poor form, but he's obviously not a shit footballer. Same goes for other players like Nani or Welbeck

16th January 2013, 09:18	#4682 (permalink)
Jaybezia lol Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: ℗© Posts: 4,720	The main thing I love with Val is his defensive commitment, is he the best tackler? No, in fact I would guess only Scholes would be below him (As that kid cannot tackle for toffees) but its all about effort for Tony V, he never stops, why some games even when he plays badly, I would rather an out of form tonio to out of form Young due to his hard work and commitment.

16th January 2013, 21:12	#4684 (permalink)
Sam First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 'I'm a genius muthafuckin' voice of a generation' Posts: 19,719	All players go through bad periods. That's a given. They'll try things, and it just wont come off. Yes, its frustrating, but as long as they're trying, its acceptable. And understandable. Eventually it'll come off, and you'll play your way back into form. What isn't acceptable, imo, is just completely going into your shell, when things aren't going well. And right now, that's what Valencia has done. I like the lad, I think on form he a quality winger. But right now, he's not even attempting to do anything a winger should. He's literally doing nothing.

16th January 2013, 21:14	#4685 (permalink)
paceme First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: “What’s the matter, lager boy, scared you might taste something?” Posts: 10,697	He must be carrying an injury. He looks exhausted all the time

16th January 2013, 21:37	#4687 (permalink)
INF-AMOS Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Closet Muppet Posts: 1,610	Couldn't cross his legs at the moment.

16th January 2013, 21:37	#4688 (permalink)
Comsmit Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Right now he should be concerned for his place. Nani is back and I'm sure will have a point to prove, Young is playing better, Welbeck impressed on Sunday and there is always Kagawa to consider. This is a game Valencia should be eating up, instead he is little more than a passenger. Rafael is basically doing everything on the right of the pitch.

16th January 2013, 21:40	#4689 (permalink)
Orton Ati-virus, keeps missing the n button Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: bonnie wee Scotland Posts: 12,367	He doesn't look up when he crosses. Just puts his foot through it and hopes for the best. What's happened to him

16th January 2013, 21:41	#4690 (permalink)
Luminous Lizard Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,344	Hopefully he'll play himself back into the kind of form where he was eating defenses week in week out. If we want to win against Real we'll need players like him to be at their best, because he'd give us a real threat.

16th January 2013, 21:42	#4691 (permalink)
100 binary bot Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,977	I'm convinced it's an injury, everything about his game seems to have changed.

16th January 2013, 21:49	#4693 (permalink)
100 binary bot Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,977	Well if he's altering his technique in order to reduce the strain it could do. There was a site that mentioned he had one leg shorter than the other(not sure if there's any truth to that), which could partly explain his one footedness and perhaps it gives him some problems. It seemed last year like he'd just brush a fullback aside if he was stood up. This picture is a great indication of how things have changed, made by someone on Twitter at the height of his form last year;

16th January 2013, 21:54	#4694 (permalink)
I'm always right Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mêlée Island Posts: 15,933	Some bizarre excuses coming out in here. Besides he's been fine again today for me, a few crosses haven't come off but only one bad one from what I remember.

16th January 2013, 21:55	#4695 (permalink)
KM Coach Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 24,151	He's been fine today. Certainly in the second half

16th January 2013, 21:59	#4698 (permalink)
Godfather First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Austria Posts: 9,964	That one cross he made was truly awful. Havent seen such a poor cross for quite some time Apart from that he was average, which is an improvement.

16th January 2013, 21:59	#4699 (permalink)
Sam First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 'I'm a genius muthafuckin' voice of a generation' Posts: 19,719	He was much much better in the second half. He at least tried three crosses, and managed to beat his man. His form does seriously worry me though.

16th January 2013, 22:00	#4700 (permalink)
Tomuś Nani is crap, I tell you! Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Świdnik Posts: 2,324	I thought he was more than decent. Fucked up all but one cross. Sam is having a bit of a mare imo.

16th January 2013, 22:01	#4701 (permalink)
kps88 First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12,203	I guess it was an improvement over the what we've been used to, but he was still distinctly average. Barely tried to beat his man and took the safe option far too often. That's two games in which he's been kept quiet by an eighteen year old full back.

16th January 2013, 22:02	#4702 (permalink)
Brwned Have you ever been in love before? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 39,396	Thought he and Nani were both pretty good in their approach play and poor with their end product. Getting there.

16th January 2013, 22:04	#4704 (permalink)
Sixpence Erroneously Promoted Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: N.Wales Posts: 3,557	He was average, which is a huge improvement.

16th January 2013, 22:05	#4705 (permalink)
Escobar Poster originally known as Michel04 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: "Collar turned up, back straight, chest stuck out, he glided into the arena as if he owned the fucking place" Posts: 17,558	Got better and more direct, so there is hope

16th January 2013, 22:11	#4710 (permalink)
Revan Will always be Ismail Elezi Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: In Philest Jonesest Posts: 7,314	A mare performance by him. Again. He should be dropped for some time, or at-least he should not start. Even an off form Chicharito could do a better job in wings than what he is doing.

16th January 2013, 22:14	#4711 (permalink)
wr8_utd :'( Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 28,310	With Nani back and Giggs in wonderful form on the other wing and with Young as a decent backup, I would be fairly happy if Valencia didn't start another game for us this season. Even the crowd has started to groan now when he gets the ball and brings our attack down to a standstill.

16th January 2013, 22:14	#4712 (permalink)
Castia Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Manchester, England Posts: 3,732	He was a bit better today, at least he actually ran at his defender a few times. Crossing wasn't great but an overall improvement on his recent performances.

16th January 2013, 22:16	#4714 (permalink)
wr8_utd :'( Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 28,310	Though him taking on his man a couple of times was a bit off an encouragement but he's still the way too slow. Totally ruins our attacks with his indecisiveness.

16th January 2013, 22:16	#4715 (permalink)
Tomuś Nani is crap, I tell you! Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Świdnik Posts: 2,324	I'm Always Right - if you were as kind as to clear some PM space I would send one. I'm done with all this bullshit after yesterday.

16th January 2013, 22:16	#4716 (permalink)
Orton Ati-virus, keeps missing the n button Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: bonnie wee Scotland Posts: 12,367	Giggs ran 70 yards then passed to Valencia, who thought he would go backwards after it. Giggs didn't look pleased.

16th January 2013, 22:20	#4717 (permalink)
Nate Dogg Don't Make Me Angry Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: UK Posts: 3,601	Rafael is a better winger and can cross the ball. Why don't we swap...play Rafael on the right wing and Valencia at RB?

16th January 2013, 22:21	#4718 (permalink)
Cina Love Nani, Hate Ando Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Bandwagon Posts: 24,148	Thought he was alright tonight to be honest. Certainly didn't have a "mare".

16th January 2013, 22:29	#4720 (permalink)
roonaldo78 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,591	Thought he had an ok game today especially in the second half, some improvement from his recent performances.