Antonio Valencia...

Amir · 27th December 2009, 22:21

Give him a chance to develop. God, he gives a couple of good games, he's a great player, wonderful signing, a brilliant addition, well worth the money. He has a couple of bad one's, he's a waste of money, a nothing signing, etc.

kouroux · 27th December 2009, 22:50

His performance was very poor when we know what he can do.He's the most predictable winger in the team but that doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing

Kevin · 27th December 2009, 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by esmufc09

He's done nothing to suggest he is ever going to be a quality player for us. He's done well, and of course he should be given more time, but you look at the wingers we've had throughout the 90's and the 00's, and Valencia just doesn't stack up to them. It's our worst set of wide players in a long time.

Yep.

Alex · 27th December 2009, 23:20

Probably a lot of the reason why United don't seem as electric as they have been in recent seasons

pete_8 · 27th December 2009, 23:26

The jury is out on Valencia, he has had some great games and always gives his all.However I think he is a bit one dimensional...He looked good for a few games but has faded away somewhat...

R.N7 · 27th December 2009, 23:31

He looked a bit jaded today, might be a good idea to rest him in the next game as he has played almost every game since joining us. The Ronaldo mongs are here in full force as usual I see, whinin about him never going to be a star, which every person with some IQ already were aware of and had accepted before we even had signed him.

NextSeason · 28th December 2009, 00:50

The guy would be class if he learned to cross!

Alex · 28th December 2009, 00:54

It's not even that his crossing is that poor, his biggest problem stems from the fact he never use his left foot, I know it has been done to death. But in recent timesf, if he had done so there have been oppurtunities to go in on goal if he used his left foot. When he was on a break today the fact that he dribbled with his right foot allowed the defender on the outside of him to nick the ball away had he used his left foot he would have had an excellent chance to score. I think he is a good player, but limited.

Solius · 28th December 2009, 00:56

His form has dipped a bit, which I expected. He's a good player though, on form he's very dangerous as we've seen, and I think he can get even better.

Kraftwerker · 28th December 2009, 01:34

The disappointment stems from the fact he's made some great contributions previously and has gone off the boil a little. At least we're not disappointed because he's been utter crap, as with Nani.

Denis' cuff · 28th December 2009, 01:39

the jury is not out - he's clearly been an excellent buy and has finally had a couple of below par performances. Both wingers were shut out vs Hull and Giggs doesn't have much to prove does he? For those mongs saying how predictable he is, it hasn't helped defenders to stop him for the most part has it?

londonredmaniac · 28th December 2009, 01:40

Struggled big time today, but he's been decent thus far

MadDogg · 28th December 2009, 05:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by esmufc09

He's done nothing to suggest he is ever going to be a quality player for us. He's done well, and of course he should be given more time, but you look at the wingers we've had throughout the 90's and the 00's, and Valencia just doesn't stack up to them. It's our worst set of wide players in a long time.

To be fair, in Giggs, Beckham and Ronaldo we've had arguably three of the best five wingers of the last two decades (along with Messi and Figo). Unless we signed Messi there's not another winger in the world today who does stack up to those three players.

Valencia's last four or five games have been a bit disappointing, but he was our best player for most of October and November. If he can reach that level on a consistent basis then he certainly is going to be a quality player for us.

gbgary · 28th December 2009, 05:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Probably a lot of the reason why United don't seem as electric as they have been in recent seasons

i think that's more about ronaldo's absence than valencia's presence.

surf · 28th December 2009, 05:50

As someone said earlier, he may be a bit jaded after playing so many games. He and Evra are rarely injured or rested. Perhaps he will sit out the Leeds and first leg against City games. Overall, he's a good signing so far. He and Giggs are clearly our best wingers and need to be kept fresh for the big matches.

Sunny Jim · 28th December 2009, 21:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by esmufc09

He's done nothing to suggest he is ever going to be a quality player for us. He's done well, and of course he should be given more time, but you look at the wingers we've had throughout the 90's and the 00's, and Valencia just doesn't stack up to them. It's our worst set of wide players in a long time.

solid, not spectacular. i'd agree with your post.

Fergies Formula · 28th December 2009, 21:20

I think he just needs to take on some more responsibility and realize what we need and expect from him. He has the ability to do what we want, which is commit the full back and put him on the back foot constantly, just keep testing him and trying to create an opening.

I feel its more a mental thing, he needs to be in the state of mind that, he will create something every time he gets the ball, too often he chooses to keep it safe, but in his position we need more than that.

He has pace to burn, close control and great acceleration from a stand still, and an understated first touch. Just needs the belief and direction.

For example in the game upon receiving the ball quite deep when he is faced with the left back, he often chooses to lay it back to the the midfielder or look straight away for the striker, he could do with just running at his man and putting the defender on the back foot each time and isolating him before they can get more men back, that in itself will create space and have people backing off him, like ronaldo. Its a learning curve atm, he will improve.

Jacob · 30th December 2009, 20:34

My god I love this player, since day 1

kishankhagram · 30th December 2009, 20:48

Class performance so far

Garethw · 30th December 2009, 20:50

He's been terrific today.

RedThaiDevils#7 · 30th December 2009, 20:50

Feckin' 2 assist this match ! Where are his bashers ?

FlawlessThaw · 30th December 2009, 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

Didn't actually think he had that bad of a game, few others played worse than he did. One thing that did annoy me was that he seemed to repeatingly ignore Rafael's overlapping runs. Could tell even the youngster was pissed off at him right before he went off.

Glad he listened. He's had a good game today, some of his decision making and crossing was off but overall pretty good. Him and Rafael have ripped their left hand side apart

esmufc14 · 30th December 2009, 21:40

7 goals in 15 games now. Fantastic for a debut season, hopefully this performance tonight will give him the confidence to really push on.

CR#7 · 30th December 2009, 21:50

beauty match for the lad

adexkola · 30th December 2009, 21:52

Mind you, this match was against Wigan, hopefully he will continue from here

Rowem · 30th December 2009, 21:54

"I don't like defensive wingers. Whinge moan whinge."

The_Midfielder · 30th December 2009, 21:54

Another brilliant signing by SAF

Ekeke · 30th December 2009, 21:56

Still had a majority of poor crosses. However, when he looks up and plays a pass instead he's much better as I've said before. Had a good game.

Red Pavan · 30th December 2009, 21:56

Brilliant today, beats player whips cross, beats player whips cross, beats player whips cross. Scores Goals too and a top signing from SAF as usual.

gbgary · 30th December 2009, 21:57

i've always liked him.

Sam · 30th December 2009, 21:57

He's got a brilliant knack of just comepletely destroying average/crap defences. And 7 in 15 games is brilliant for a winger at a new club. Next step I guess would be for him to turn these performences in against better clubs.

All looking good so far.

Escobar · 30th December 2009, 21:57

Good performance tonight and a beautiful, well deserved goal. If he keeps improving and playing like that, there wont be any complaints from me!

sammsky1 · 30th December 2009, 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

Glad he listened. He's had a good game today, some of his decision making and crossing was off but overall pretty good. Him and Rafael have ripped their left hand side apart

give them time. they will be amazing by the end of the season

Pogue Mahone · 30th December 2009, 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amir

Give him a chance to develop. God, he gives a couple of good games, he's a great player, wonderful signing, a brilliant addition, well worth the money. He has a couple of bad one's, he's a waste of money, a nothing signing, etc.

Well said.

Some absolute drivel posted in this thread about a player who is having a better debut season than anyone dared hope.

KM · 30th December 2009, 21:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam#1

He's got a brilliant knack of just comepletely destroying average/crap defences. And 7 in 15 games is brilliant for a winger at a new club. Next step I guess would be for him to turn these performences in against better clubs.

All looking good so far.

I would say it's brilliant for any right winger whose name is not Cristiano Ronaldo.
Besides Ronaldo didn't influence the big matches until the 06/07 season, so as you say very rightly, as time goes on Valencia's performance in big matches will improve.

Top · 30th December 2009, 22:00

Figueroa didn't even bother trying to defend against him in the end.

Garethw · 30th December 2009, 22:05

A great performance by him tonight.

Anybody following in the footsteps of CR7 was going to be looked down upon but has certainly done more than enough to justify his inclusion in the first 11.

Starting to look like a really good signing.

Raees · 30th December 2009, 22:05

Valencia is top class, so glad Rafael's looking good.. in my opinion if Rafael secures a slot in the team, Valencia will just get better and better.

Pogue Mahone · 30th December 2009, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekeke

Still had a majority of poor crosses. However, when he looks up and plays a pass instead he's much better as I've said before. Had a good game.

You do realise that when a winger "looks up and plays a pass" it's still a cross, right?

Just thought I'd point that out. You're doing your standard routine of making yourself seem considerably more stupid than you actually are, in a desperate attempt to avoid admitting a previous opinion may need to be revised. You really should stop it.

Ekeke · 30th December 2009, 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

You do realise that when a winger "looks up and plays a pass" it's still a cross, right?

Just thought I'd point that out. You're doing your standard routine of making yourself seem considerably more stupid than you actually are, in a desperate attempt to avoid admitting a previous opinion may need to be revised. You really should stop it.

Its a side footed technique, not a crossing technique. Its a pass as with anywhere else on the pitch. To cross the ball you use a different technique. You get underneath the ball and lift it. When he has to dig out crosses from the wing its usually not very good. His short passing is better than most wingers in the league though, hence why he can play centrally as well.

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27th December 2009, 22:21	#121 (permalink)
Amir First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rehovot, Israel Posts: 17,358	Give him a chance to develop. God, he gives a couple of good games, he's a great player, wonderful signing, a brilliant addition, well worth the money. He has a couple of bad one's, he's a waste of money, a nothing signing, etc.

27th December 2009, 22:50	#122 (permalink)
kouroux No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 32,559	His performance was very poor when we know what he can do.He's the most predictable winger in the team but that doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing

27th December 2009, 23:20	#124 (permalink)
Alex Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ____ Posts: 42,031	Probably a lot of the reason why United don't seem as electric as they have been in recent seasons

27th December 2009, 23:26	#125 (permalink)
pete_8 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Birmingham and Manchester Posts: 2,885	The jury is out on Valencia, he has had some great games and always gives his all.However I think he is a bit one dimensional...He looked good for a few games but has faded away somewhat...

27th December 2009, 23:31	#126 (permalink)
R.N7 Valencia fanboi Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The Velvet Underground Posts: 22,405	He looked a bit jaded today, might be a good idea to rest him in the next game as he has played almost every game since joining us. The Ronaldo mongs are here in full force as usual I see, whinin about him never going to be a star, which every person with some IQ already were aware of and had accepted before we even had signed him.

28th December 2009, 00:50	#127 (permalink)
NextSeason Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: From the banks of Irwell, to Sicily.. Posts: 1,878	The guy would be class if he learned to cross!

28th December 2009, 00:54	#128 (permalink)
Alex Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ____ Posts: 42,031	It's not even that his crossing is that poor, his biggest problem stems from the fact he never use his left foot, I know it has been done to death. But in recent timesf, if he had done so there have been oppurtunities to go in on goal if he used his left foot. When he was on a break today the fact that he dribbled with his right foot allowed the defender on the outside of him to nick the ball away had he used his left foot he would have had an excellent chance to score. I think he is a good player, but limited.

28th December 2009, 00:56	#129 (permalink)
Solius I am a mod, I swear Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Everybody will be dancing and be doing it right. Posts: 49,760	His form has dipped a bit, which I expected. He's a good player though, on form he's very dangerous as we've seen, and I think he can get even better.

28th December 2009, 01:34	#130 (permalink)
Kraftwerker Formerly RedAddict Join Date: May 2008 Location: We can't stop here. This is bat country. Posts: 10,281	The disappointment stems from the fact he's made some great contributions previously and has gone off the boil a little. At least we're not disappointed because he's been utter crap, as with Nani.

28th December 2009, 01:39	#131 (permalink)
Denis' cuff First Team Sub Join Date: May 2007 Location: here Posts: 5,952	the jury is not out - he's clearly been an excellent buy and has finally had a couple of below par performances. Both wingers were shut out vs Hull and Giggs doesn't have much to prove does he? For those mongs saying how predictable he is, it hasn't helped defenders to stop him for the most part has it?

28th December 2009, 01:40	#132 (permalink)
londonredmaniac I suffer delusions of grandeur Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The announcer and referee of Gaz Vs DJS the meet! Posts: 14,773	Struggled big time today, but he's been decent thus far

28th December 2009, 05:50	#135 (permalink)
surf Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: In the wilderness Posts: 4,259	As someone said earlier, he may be a bit jaded after playing so many games. He and Evra are rarely injured or rested. Perhaps he will sit out the Leeds and first leg against City games. Overall, he's a good signing so far. He and Giggs are clearly our best wingers and need to be kept fresh for the big matches.

28th December 2009, 21:20	#137 (permalink)
Fergies Formula Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Brighton Posts: 3,462	I think he just needs to take on some more responsibility and realize what we need and expect from him. He has the ability to do what we want, which is commit the full back and put him on the back foot constantly, just keep testing him and trying to create an opening. I feel its more a mental thing, he needs to be in the state of mind that, he will create something every time he gets the ball, too often he chooses to keep it safe, but in his position we need more than that. He has pace to burn, close control and great acceleration from a stand still, and an understated first touch. Just needs the belief and direction. For example in the game upon receiving the ball quite deep when he is faced with the left back, he often chooses to lay it back to the the midfielder or look straight away for the striker, he could do with just running at his man and putting the defender on the back foot each time and isolating him before they can get more men back, that in itself will create space and have people backing off him, like ronaldo. Its a learning curve atm, he will improve.

30th December 2009, 20:34	#138 (permalink)
Jacob First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Stockholm Posts: 18,560	My god I love this player, since day 1

30th December 2009, 20:48	#139 (permalink)
kishankhagram Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: London Posts: 2,120	Class performance so far

30th December 2009, 20:50	#140 (permalink)
Garethw First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England; The home of James Bond, Fish and chips and Chavs! Posts: 5,889	He's been terrific today.

30th December 2009, 20:50	#141 (permalink)
RedThaiDevils#7 First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Married with Manchester United, In love with Giggs, Is passionate about Scholes, and is rooting for Kagawa' Posts: 5,818	Feckin' 2 assist this match ! Where are his bashers ?

30th December 2009, 21:40	#143 (permalink)
esmufc14 9 Pages of infractions Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lake Fianga Posts: 24,820	7 goals in 15 games now. Fantastic for a debut season, hopefully this performance tonight will give him the confidence to really push on.

30th December 2009, 21:50	#144 (permalink)
CR#7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,575	beauty match for the lad

30th December 2009, 21:52	#145 (permalink)
adexkola American Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brooklyn, Connecticut. "Football Was Alright As Long as We Were Winning Everything And Everybody Knew Their Place" Posts: 13,140	Mind you, this match was against Wigan, hopefully he will continue from here

30th December 2009, 21:54	#146 (permalink)
Rowem First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 10,021	"I don't like defensive wingers. Whinge moan whinge."

30th December 2009, 21:54	#147 (permalink)
The_Midfielder Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,503	Another brilliant signing by SAF

30th December 2009, 21:56	#148 (permalink)
Ekeke First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 26,503	Still had a majority of poor crosses. However, when he looks up and plays a pass instead he's much better as I've said before. Had a good game.

30th December 2009, 21:56	#149 (permalink)
Red Pavan shittest username ever manutddabest791 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK - Ronaldo's House. Posts: 12,450	Brilliant today, beats player whips cross, beats player whips cross, beats player whips cross. Scores Goals too and a top signing from SAF as usual.

30th December 2009, 21:57	#150 (permalink)
gbgary First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: dallas Posts: 8,988	i've always liked him.

30th December 2009, 21:57	#151 (permalink)
Sam First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 'I'm a genius muthafuckin' voice of a generation' Posts: 19,719	He's got a brilliant knack of just comepletely destroying average/crap defences. And 7 in 15 games is brilliant for a winger at a new club. Next step I guess would be for him to turn these performences in against better clubs. All looking good so far.

30th December 2009, 21:57	#152 (permalink)
Escobar Poster originally known as Michel04 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: "Collar turned up, back straight, chest stuck out, he glided into the arena as if he owned the fucking place" Posts: 17,558	Good performance tonight and a beautiful, well deserved goal. If he keeps improving and playing like that, there wont be any complaints from me!

30th December 2009, 22:00	#156 (permalink)
Top Admin Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 8,348	Figueroa didn't even bother trying to defend against him in the end.

30th December 2009, 22:05	#157 (permalink)
Garethw First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England; The home of James Bond, Fish and chips and Chavs! Posts: 5,889	A great performance by him tonight. Anybody following in the footsteps of CR7 was going to be looked down upon but has certainly done more than enough to justify his inclusion in the first 11. Starting to look like a really good signing.

30th December 2009, 22:05	#158 (permalink)
Raees First Team Regular Join Date: May 2009 Location: He was born to wear the Man United Jersey... Vaaan persieee Posts: 10,491	Valencia is top class, so glad Rafael's looking good.. in my opinion if Rafael secures a slot in the team, Valencia will just get better and better.