Ashley Young

marjen · 7th February 2012, 10:52

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Originally Posted by Maciek

I think some of you expected too much from him against Chelsea.

He was still a better option after the injury than Park, we needed to attack from the start, we had a huge chance to get three points from Stamford Bridge, we didn't need Park or only Rooney up front, we went there with 4-4-2 with two wingers and two strikers. He didn't have a bad game, he was average comparing to others, but he wasn't worse than I expected.

And I really don't understand why marjen didn't moan that Young hadn't had a good game since the Arsenal-game just after he got injured. He didn't play a game in two months, came back at Chelsea and got an average perfromance. Did it really change your opinion on his season so far, or what?!

I moan now because the game against Chelsea meant Young was being discussed again.

I've mentioned this before. It doesn't change my opinion on his season at all. I still think he is a bit of a luxury for us, and hasn't justified his signing so far.

Plenty of ability there to show his worth, though. I'm just not sure he'll get the chance when Nani returns.

RedLars · 7th February 2012, 10:54

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Originally Posted by marjen

He hasn't played a particularly good game since the Arsenal-game, actually. He was ineffective against Bolton, and decent against Chelsea, but he's struggled in virtually every game he's played since.

Injuries and chopping and changing to the team needs to take it's fair share of blame, but it makes you wonder if it isn't something to the 1-in-5 games theory that Pete trots out from time to time. (Not saying I agree, I think Young is a good player, but perhaps not as good as I'd hoped for)

I agree with this. I had high hopes for him, but I'm not sure I can still see him providing performances at the highest level consistently. He's nevertheless a good back-up for Nani and Tony V though, but those wages (if what's being mentioned here is correct) and that fee for a player in the last year of his contract suggests that I'm not the only one who'd expected more.

Still a lot of time for him to shine though.

Edit: Before anyone jumps in, this isn't based on his performance against Chelsea, but everything I've seen of him in our shirt so far.

Maciek · 7th February 2012, 10:57

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Originally Posted by marjen

I moan now because the game against Chelsea meant Young was being discussed again.

I've mentioned this before. It doesn't change my opinion on his season at all. I still think he is a bit of a luxury for us, and hasn't justified his signing so far.

Plenty of ability there to show his worth, though. I'm just not sure he'll get the chance when Nani returns.

He'll get his chances, I'm sure of that. You don't use the same two wingers all the time, you rotate, someone hits top form, someone does not. Look at last season, our best player from August to March didn't start any of our important games in final months of the season and started the Champions League final on the bench.

I think Young was exactly what we needed when Valencia was injured or later when he was our first choice right-back.

And Nani's and Valencia's current form make you think Young has been average for us so far.

marjen · 7th February 2012, 11:04

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Originally Posted by Maciek

He'll get his chances, I'm sure of that. You don't use the same two wingers all the time, you rotate, someone hits top form, someone does not. Look at last season, our best player from August to March didn't start any of our important games in final months of the season and started the Champions League final on the bench.

I think Young was exactly what we needed when Valencia was injured or later when he was our first choice right-back.

And Nani's and Valencia's current form make you think Young has been average for us so far.

No, it's the fact he's not played a good match since his first 4 or so.

Don't tell me why I think things, I'm perfectly capable of forming my own opinion as it is. And I do appreciate what Young brings to the table as I've said before. He's got a lot of good qualities, he just isn't the outstanding creative force which might be needed in a system relying so heavily on wingers to attack.

Hence why he was at his best when Cleverley, Anderson and Rooney fired on all cylinders in central areas earlier on, and he could link with them.

Suedesi · 7th February 2012, 13:27

The guy has the football brain of Theo Walcott. He is so predictable. Case in point the penalty shout against Chelsea. He gets a nice deflection his way, he's got room to look up, place his shot or try to find the killer pass. Instead, he goes into auto pilot mode, head down, try his customary dribbling move and try to run. Bad close control followed by a ridiculous exaggerated dive. Fckn Ashley Young

marjen · 7th February 2012, 13:31

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Originally Posted by Suedesi

The guy has the football brain of Theo Walcott. He is so predictable. Case in point the penalty shout against Chelsea. He gets a nice deflection his way, he's got room to look up, place his shot or try to find the killer pass. Instead, he goes into auto pilot mode, head down, try his customary dribbling move and try to run. Bad close control followed by a ridiculous exaggerated dive. Fckn Ashley Young

Whoa there..

The football brain of Theo Walcott? If there's one thing I'd not criticize Young for, it's the lack of a football brain. He's a very clever passer, and a thinking winger.

Sometimes I'd wish he was more direct, obviously, as that would give him more variety, but it's not typical of Young to badly control the ball, it's ringrustiness.

towcester_red · 7th February 2012, 13:32

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Originally Posted by Suedesi

The guy has the football brain of Theo Walcott. He is so predictable. Case in point the penalty shout against Chelsea. He gets a nice deflection his way, he's got room to look up, place his shot or try to find the killer pass. Instead, he goes into auto pilot mode, head down, try his customary dribbling move and try to run. Bad close control followed by a ridiculous exaggerated dive. Fckn Ashley Young

You dont watch much football do you?

Edmeiste · 7th February 2012, 14:19

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Originally Posted by Suedesi

The guy has the football brain of Theo Walcott. He is so predictable. Case in point the penalty shout against Chelsea. He gets a nice deflection his way, he's got room to look up, place his shot or try to find the killer pass. Instead, he goes into auto pilot mode, head down, try his customary dribbling move and try to run. Bad close control followed by a ridiculous exaggerated dive. Fckn Ashley Young

I stopped after that bolded sentence.

Levo91 · 16th February 2012, 18:56

Looks a little more lively today, lost his footing a bit but hopefully can have a good second half and kick on.

Elliott · 16th February 2012, 19:54

Brilliant second half. Great to have him back.

KM · 16th February 2012, 19:55

Very good in the second half, seriously needs to cut out on his diving though.

Desert Eagle · 16th February 2012, 19:56

Good finish for the goal but he really is a serial diver. Jury still out for me on whether he was a good signing.

anything about now · 16th February 2012, 19:57

he was our most skillful midfielder tonight. He did not dive he was targeted by Ajax because of his skills and they knew he was the one to make something happen. He is a bit lightweight, lighter than Nani, not surprised he goes down easily.

Phil · 16th February 2012, 19:58

Really needs to cut down on the diving.

ArmchairCritic · 16th February 2012, 19:59

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Originally Posted by KM

Very good in the second half, seriously needs to cut out on his diving though.

Yup the diving is annoying. Hopefully tonight's goal will give him a much needed confidence boost.

RDCR07 · 16th February 2012, 20:06

I still don't get why he went down when he was through from that pass from Wayne. But a good goal from him. I thought he missed his chance when he did not strike it first time but then he did good and finished.

Van Piorsing · 16th February 2012, 20:07

He was very mysterious, today. I think, Ajax players didn't saw that coming.

Brwned · 16th February 2012, 20:08

I think he's just very lightweight, gets less free kicks than he deserves really.

RDCR07 · 16th February 2012, 20:08

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Originally Posted by Brwned

I think he's just very lightweight, gets less free kicks than he deserves really.

Because his reputation precedes him.

Cina · 16th February 2012, 20:09

Wouldn't say he was brilliant in the second half by any means, but he was better than the norm we've been used to pre-injuries.

Rednails · 16th February 2012, 20:10

Too many stray passes.

Escobar · 16th February 2012, 20:13

Obviously needs more games

Eriku · 16th February 2012, 20:31

I found this performance really encouraging... Second half in particular. He carried the ball at speed, he made room for himself to get a few attempted crosses in, and he had a tackle that made me think of Giggs, the way he was rushing to make up for his mistake by sliding in.

The finish was really clever too, as he knew he was making them all guess to the keeper's left... Sort of reminded me of Zizou's goal against Spain in the 2006 WC quarter finals.

gambit28 · 16th February 2012, 20:41

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Originally Posted by Eriku

I found this performance really encouraging... Second half in particular. He carried the ball at speed, he made room for himself to get a few attempted crosses in, and he had a tackle that made me think of Giggs, the way he was rushing to make up for his mistake by sliding in.

The finish was really clever too, as he knew he was making them all guess to the keeper's left... Sort of reminded me of Zizou's goal against Spain in the 2006 WC quarter finals.

Once he was given his free role and allowed to not stick to the left as much, he really came alive and gave us a great option through the middle.

marjen · 16th February 2012, 20:44

Some great moments, first half he was a bit wasteful, and he really should start to try and go on the outside a bit more - every player knows he prefers his right foot, so they get caught off guard if he try and mix it up a little.

That said - what a fecking diver. That was apalling really. Worst I've seen since Nani. Cut it out, will you?

DocRockter · 16th February 2012, 21:07

Needs to play his best game for us against Spurs if Valencia can't make it.. Good goal today, hopefully now he can stay if the whole run-in..

Orton · 16th February 2012, 21:26

Biggest diver in the league.

after suarez

RDCR07 · 16th February 2012, 21:34

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Originally Posted by DocRockter

Needs to play his best game for us against Spurs if Valencia can't make it.. Good goal today, hopefully now he can stay if the whole run-in..

Valencia is out for a month. So he will be the starting option for us unless Fergie prefers Giggs.

Randall Flagg · 16th February 2012, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Orton

Biggest diver in the league.

after suarez

So what? He is a good player, he played well in the 2nd half and I am glad he is back. Especially now with the bad news on Valencia

charlenefan · 16th February 2012, 21:43

I thought he better against Chelsea tbh, he was crap tonight goal or no goal

Sunny Jim · 16th February 2012, 22:10

wait a second? did Val got injured? if so ...fuck me sideways, really it's annoying.

#07 · 16th February 2012, 22:34

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Originally Posted by Escobar

Obviously needs more games

The goal will help. I don't think its been so much fitness than confidence that Young's been lacking recently. He's often looked too anxious to impress and try and force his way back into the first XI and that has led to him running up blind alleys and trying to take the high road when the low road would do. A goal to settle his nerves and make him feel like he's back in the zone should bring him on. I'm sure we'll see an Ashley Young closer to what we had in the first few games of the season from now on.

Raven Blade · 17th February 2012, 01:12

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Originally Posted by #07

The goal will help. I don't think its been so much fitness than confidence that Young's been lacking recently. He's often looked too anxious to impress and try and force his way back into the first XI and that has led to him running up blind alleys and trying to take the high road when the low road would do. A goal to settle his nerves and make him feel like he's back in the zone should bring him on. I'm sure we'll see an Ashley Young closer to what we had in the first few games of the season from now on.

Hope so. We're gonna need him to deliver with Valencia out now. Watching Ashley Young play you can see why the stats show he draws so many fouls. He's quite the expert at going down under any contact and making it look convincing.

In terms of his overall game, we need him to show more unpredictability when he goes forward. Valencia's predictable too, but almost unstoppable in the way he goes about his business. Young's versatility has always been his strength. He needs to get back to mixing things up because the amount of his crosses blocked by the first man is frustrating.

Cutch · 17th February 2012, 01:24

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Originally Posted by Orton

Biggest diver in the league.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randall Flagg

So what? He is a good player, he played well in the 2nd half and I am glad he is back. Especially now with the bad news on Valencia

Aye fuck it, who cares that he dives, he's a good player, thats the main thing.

tintedsepia · 17th February 2012, 01:30

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Originally Posted by #07

The goal will help. I don't think its been so much fitness than confidence that Young's been lacking recently. He's often looked too anxious to impress and try and force his way back into the first XI and that has led to him running up blind alleys and trying to take the high road when the low road would do. A goal to settle his nerves and make him feel like he's back in the zone should bring him on. I'm sure we'll see an Ashley Young closer to what we had in the first few games of the season from now on.

Nah - it was fitness. he was playing when something wasn't quite right and this affects your confidence and therefore your form.

Annihilate Now! · 17th February 2012, 09:31

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Originally Posted by Cutch

Aye fuck it, who cares that he dives, he's a good player, thats the main thing.

Every fucker dives these days. From our team alone... Nani, Rooney, Evra and I think Hernandez(?) all have a tumble in them... hell even our homegrown Danny has shown a bit of a knack for it of late... doesn't stop people from worshipping any of them though?

Young is probably the worst diver of the lot (Well him and Rooney are neck and neck for me)... but it would be harsh to single him out for it.

Cina · 17th February 2012, 09:32

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Originally Posted by marjen

Some great moments, first half he was a bit wasteful, and he really should start to try and go on the outside a bit more - every player knows he prefers his right foot, so they get caught off guard if he try and mix it up a little.

That said - what a fecking diver. That was apalling really. Worst I've seen since Nani. Cut it out, will you?

I can't recall a dive that bad from Nani in well over 2 years. He's improved a lot and it's a bit of a myth now.

Young was decent last night, well taken goal and I'm glad he's back given the news on Valencia.

evra · 17th February 2012, 09:47

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Young marked his first appearance since Christmas with his fourth goal of the season, breaking the deadlock after a dismal first-half display.

"It was Ashley's first game in two months," said Ferguson.

I could swear Young played against Chelsea the other day, it was a very forgettable performance mind you.

marjen · 17th February 2012, 09:58

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Originally Posted by Cina

I can't recall a dive that bad from Nani in well over 2 years. He's improved a lot and it's a bit of a myth now.

Young was decent last night, well taken goal and I'm glad he's back given the news on Valencia.

I meant to write Ronaldo actually, God knows how I typed out Nani.

I never thought Nani to be bad at diving. Making the worst out of fouls, rolling around in his trademarked inury ball? Sure. But he's not a diver for me.

Young is the worst we've had for a while, and it's bloody annoying. Also, he's so bad at it that I can't help imagining him getting injured due to landing on his knees in one of his stupid, excaggerated falls.

Stop it, will you?

Orton · 23rd February 2012, 22:07

Coming back from an injury etc etc... Anonymous

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7th February 2012, 13:27	#1565 (permalink)
Suedesi First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,998	The guy has the football brain of Theo Walcott. He is so predictable. Case in point the penalty shout against Chelsea. He gets a nice deflection his way, he's got room to look up, place his shot or try to find the killer pass. Instead, he goes into auto pilot mode, head down, try his customary dribbling move and try to run. Bad close control followed by a ridiculous exaggerated dive. Fckn Ashley Young

16th February 2012, 18:56	#1569 (permalink)
Levo91 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Tottenham Hotspur Posts: 7,963	Looks a little more lively today, lost his footing a bit but hopefully can have a good second half and kick on.

16th February 2012, 19:54	#1570 (permalink)
Elliott Likes Loan Stickies Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 8,532	Brilliant second half. Great to have him back.

16th February 2012, 19:55	#1571 (permalink)
KM First Team Regular Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Q.P.R Posts: 14,862	Very good in the second half, seriously needs to cut out on his diving though.

16th February 2012, 19:56	#1572 (permalink)
Desert Eagle Punjabi Dude Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,387	Good finish for the goal but he really is a serial diver. Jury still out for me on whether he was a good signing.

16th February 2012, 19:57	#1573 (permalink)
anything about now MUFC lad living in a matriel world Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Has an air of inevitibility about it. Fuck - Guz-kop on rawk @ Utd 2-2 Villa Posts: 6,103	he was our most skillful midfielder tonight. He did not dive he was targeted by Ajax because of his skills and they knew he was the one to make something happen. He is a bit lightweight, lighter than Nani, not surprised he goes down easily.

16th February 2012, 19:58	#1574 (permalink)
Phil Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,664	Really needs to cut down on the diving.

16th February 2012, 20:06	#1576 (permalink)
RDCR07 Not a bad guy (Whale Killer) Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Special One on the Great One: "I don't call him Alex or Sir or Mister. I call him Boss!" Posts: 11,324	I still don't get why he went down when he was through from that pass from Wayne. But a good goal from him. I thought he missed his chance when he did not strike it first time but then he did good and finished.

16th February 2012, 20:07	#1577 (permalink)
Van Piorsing Lost his light sabre Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Polska Posts: 10,578	He was very mysterious, today. I think, Ajax players didn't saw that coming.

16th February 2012, 20:08	#1578 (permalink)
Brwned Poster of the year: 2010 Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 33,938	I think he's just very lightweight, gets less free kicks than he deserves really.

16th February 2012, 20:09	#1580 (permalink)
Cina I hate everything Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 13,939	Wouldn't say he was brilliant in the second half by any means, but he was better than the norm we've been used to pre-injuries.

16th February 2012, 20:10	#1581 (permalink)
Rednails Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lancashire Posts: 1,303	Too many stray passes.

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Escobar Poster originally known as Michel04 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: "Collar turned up, back straight, chest stuck out, he glided into the arena as if he owned the fucking place" Posts: 16,490	Obviously needs more games

16th February 2012, 20:31	#1583 (permalink)
Eriku First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ørsta, Norway Posts: 8,189	I found this performance really encouraging... Second half in particular. He carried the ball at speed, he made room for himself to get a few attempted crosses in, and he had a tackle that made me think of Giggs, the way he was rushing to make up for his mistake by sliding in. The finish was really clever too, as he knew he was making them all guess to the keeper's left... Sort of reminded me of Zizou's goal against Spain in the 2006 WC quarter finals.

16th February 2012, 20:44	#1585 (permalink)
marjen Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: at the back post, lurking around, waiting for an easy tap-in. Posts: 3,625	Some great moments, first half he was a bit wasteful, and he really should start to try and go on the outside a bit more - every player knows he prefers his right foot, so they get caught off guard if he try and mix it up a little. That said - what a fecking diver. That was apalling really. Worst I've seen since Nani. Cut it out, will you?

16th February 2012, 21:07	#1586 (permalink)
DocRockter Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 2,125	Needs to play his best game for us against Spurs if Valencia can't make it.. Good goal today, hopefully now he can stay if the whole run-in..

16th February 2012, 21:26	#1587 (permalink)
Orton Ati-virus, keeps missing the n button Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: bonnie wee Scotland Posts: 7,208	Biggest diver in the league. after suarez

16th February 2012, 21:43	#1590 (permalink)
charlenefan First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,348	I thought he better against Chelsea tbh, he was crap tonight goal or no goal

16th February 2012, 22:10	#1591 (permalink)
Sunny Jim First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warsaw...that's too far away from Edinburgh... Posts: 14,700	wait a second? did Val got injured? if so ...fuck me sideways, really it's annoying.

23rd February 2012, 22:07	#1600 (permalink)
Orton Ati-virus, keeps missing the n button Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: bonnie wee Scotland Posts: 7,208	Coming back from an injury etc etc... Anonymous