Ashley Young

Kelvin · 8th April 2012, 15:17

offside prior to the dive as well

acnumber9 · 8th April 2012, 15:17

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Originally Posted by Brwned

You'd think Derry would've protested a bit more if it was as blatant dive as people are suggesting, don't you think?

I thought that at first it was a strange reaction from Derry. Maybe he's sensible enough to realise ref's don't change their minds in that situation.

Snow · 8th April 2012, 15:17

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Originally Posted by acnumber9

I thought that at first it was a strange reaction from Derry. Maybe he's sensible enough to realise ref's don't change their minds in that situation.

I thought he was classy in the way he reacted. He's got a chance to have the red revoked no?

FlawlessThaw · 8th April 2012, 15:21

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Originally Posted by Snow

I thought he was classy in the way he reacted. He's got a chance to have the red revoked no?

I'm not sure he does as there was a slight nudge on Young and he was the last man. It's incredibily harsh but luckily it's just a one match ban.

Orton · 8th April 2012, 15:22

The linesman should be punted for that. Shocking how he couldn't see the offside.

acnumber9 · 8th April 2012, 15:30

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Originally Posted by Snow

I thought he was classy in the way he reacted. He's got a chance to have the red revoked no?

I would think so. If they appeal I doubt the FA could reject it.

MaroonPondlife · 8th April 2012, 15:35

He's a serial diver ... always has been. Odious. I wouldn't be holding back on players like that. Shame coz he's a good player.

kouroux · 8th April 2012, 15:38

Shameful stuff from Young.It's QPR, no need to resort that sort of cheating that much early in the match.Made another clear dive in the second half

MaroonPondlife · 8th April 2012, 15:40

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Originally Posted by kouroux

Shameful stuff from Young.It's QPR, no need to resort that sort of cheating that much early in the match.Made another clear dive in the second half

Strangely enough I thought the incident actually dulled United ... probably more so than had it not happened ... in other words I think the result would have been more emphatic without the pen/red.

Amar__ · 8th April 2012, 15:42

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Originally Posted by Cina

Christ, he's probably the worst diver in the league after Suarez. That was embarrassing.

You are saying pretty much the same, but you are attacking me because I said he is diving cunt.

He is diving in almost every game, and he needs to stop doing it.

Yes, I swear, but I didn't said nothing wrong,

Cina · 8th April 2012, 15:43

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Originally Posted by Amar__

You are saying pretty much the same, but you are attacking me because I said he is diving cunt.

He is diving in almost every game, and he needs to stop doing it.

Yes, I swear, but I didn't said nothing wrong,

I'm giving an opinion on what he does. You're calling a player at a club you support a "cunt".

I'd say there's quite a big difference there.

Agent Red · 8th April 2012, 15:44

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Originally Posted by Amar__

You are saying pretty much the same, but you are attacking me because I said he is diving cunt.

He is diving in almost every game, and he needs to stop doing it.

Yes, I swear, but I didn't said nothing wrong,

Attacking the diving side of his game is understandable. Deriding him as an overall player and saying you hate him is a different kettle of fish.

Red Dreams · 8th April 2012, 15:45

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Originally Posted by Orton

The linesman should be punted for that. Shocking how he couldn't see the offside.

exactly as he should have been when Drogba scored the offside goal.

Red Dreams · 8th April 2012, 15:46

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Originally Posted by Agent Red

Attacking the diving side of his game is understandable. Deriding him as an overall player and saying you hate him is a different kettle of fish.

went over his head that.

kouroux · 8th April 2012, 15:47

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Originally Posted by MaroonPondlife

Strangely enough I thought the incident actually dulled United ... probably more so than had it not happened ... in other words I think the result would have been more emphatic without the pen/red.

I actually agree with you.The red card and the goal scored by Rooney made things way too easy for the team.

MaroonPondlife · 8th April 2012, 15:51

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Originally Posted by kouroux

I actually agree with you.The red card and the goal scored by Rooney made things way too easy for the team.

Hey don't feel bad about it.

Amar__ · 8th April 2012, 15:51

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Originally Posted by Cina

I'm giving an opinion on what he does. You're calling a player at a club you support a "cunt".

I'd say there's quite a big difference there.

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Originally Posted by Agent Red

Attacking the diving side of his game is understandable. Deriding him as an overall player and saying you hate him is a different kettle of fish.

I am saying I hate him as a player because of diving, if it wasn't for diving I wouldn't have problem with him, eventough he was poor today. Same thing I hate Suarez for, Busquets, Ronaldo and similar players. No one here knows what kind of guy suarez is, but we are all saying he is a cunt because of his childlish behaviour on the pitch.

End of story from me.

Cina · 8th April 2012, 15:53

There's something fundamentally wrong with actually hating a player who plays for this club. Busquets and Suarez are on an entirely different level when it comes to playacting and cuntishness than Young.

MUFAN79 · 8th April 2012, 15:55

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Originally Posted by Sam

I like him. I hate his diving.

Well said.I agree with you.

Agent Red · 8th April 2012, 15:55

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Originally Posted by Amar__

I am saying I hate him as a player because of diving, if it wasn't for diving I wouldn't have problem with him, eventough he was poor today. Same thing I hate Suarez for, Busquets, Ronaldo and similar players. No one here knows what kind of guy suarez is, but we are all saying he is a cunt because of his childlish behaviour on the pitch.

End of story from me.

You didn't make that clear, you said you hated him and he was your least favourite player. Didn't specify that was only because of diving and even then I think it's an extreme reaction.

I also disagree that that's why Suarez is so hated on here. The Evra thing did much more on that front, as well as the world cup handball.

MaroonPondlife · 8th April 2012, 16:00

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Originally Posted by Cina

There's something fundamentally wrong with actually hating a player who plays for this club. Busquets and Suarez are on an entirely different level when it comes to playacting and cuntishness than Young.

You've got that half right, and it's pretty obvious which half.

Snow · 8th April 2012, 16:00

And the fact that he bites people, waves imaginary cards and gets mad that the other players don't get booked. And his face. You could hate on Suarez for his face alone.

Lance Uppercut · 8th April 2012, 16:00

There was slight contact but I think he could have stayed up. It's gay, but I'll take it. This makes me a massive hypocrite.

Cheesy · 8th April 2012, 16:02

The worst thing about hating him is that diving is the only really bad thing he does to be honest. If he was fighting on the pitch every other game and was constantly in the news for getting into trouble with the law, then you could understand someone hating him, but that's not the case. He generally seems to be a decent guy off the field.

Amar__ · 8th April 2012, 16:15

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Originally Posted by Agent Red

You didn't make that clear, you said you hated him and he was your least favourite player. Didn't specify that was only because of diving and even then I think it's an extreme reaction.

I also disagree that that's why Suarez is so hated on here. The Evra thing did much more on that front, as well as the world cup handball.

Well, it was kneejerk reaction after his dive. For what else could I hate him?
I find him as a good guy from his interviews.

Agent Red · 8th April 2012, 16:54

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Originally Posted by Amar__

Well, it was kneejerk reaction after his dive. For what else could I hate him?
I find him as a good guy from his interviews.

I agree, but this wasn't clear from your initial post. You asked why you were receiving a different reaction to the other posters criticising his diving, that was why. You've explained it now though, perhaps it was a bit lost in translation before.

Amar__ · 8th April 2012, 16:58

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Originally Posted by Agent Red

I agree, but this wasn't clear from your initial post. You asked why you were receiving a different reaction to the other posters criticising his diving, that was why. You've explained it now though, perhaps it was a bit lost in translation before.

Well, I typed while I was watching the game, eventough I never do it. It tottally ruined my game, that why I was mad. But nevermind, we agreed. Cheers.

Wittmann45 · 8th April 2012, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Cina

There's something fundamentally wrong with actually hating a player who plays for this club.

I tend to agree with this, but I was willing to make an exception for Heinze

togg · 8th April 2012, 17:07

nah..young dived and we don't need that at united. Others have done it before and Fergie will have a word. Win it fair and square, that's what I believe and we have totally done that in the main. We have the players to win..we don't need cheating...

Plechazunga · 8th April 2012, 19:08

I love the notion that Fergie will 'have a word'. Like fuck he will.

I like Young but he's a massive diver

FlawlessThaw · 8th April 2012, 19:09

Neville's article in the Fail today suggests Fergie won't have a word

Lance Uppercut · 8th April 2012, 19:10

He might do. "Be less obvious, asshole."

gbgary · 8th April 2012, 19:18

other than today i don't remember a stink over him diving. rooney and nani have taken more criticism over it than young.

Plechazunga · 8th April 2012, 19:38

He's an excellent diver. It may look obvious to us, but refs fall for it about three times a game. He's close to Owen levels in terms of technique.

I wish he'd feckin stop it.

Agent Red · 8th April 2012, 19:47

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

I love the notion that Fergie will 'have a word'. Like fuck he will.

I like Young but he's a massive diver

Reason I say that is that I seem to remember some player interview a while ago where they said that he discouraged them behind closed doors. Also it certainly cut down in Ronaldo's game towards the end of his time with us. Could be hopeful though, I can't remember the exact source of the interview unfortunately.

Plechazunga · 8th April 2012, 19:51

Sure he sys that publicly, but I doubt any successful manager discourages his players from diving. Only from diving badly. It's too competitive a league and the margins are too tight for hard-nosed bastards like Fergie to give their opponents any advantage. Unfortunately.

Sunny Jim · 8th April 2012, 19:57

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Originally Posted by Kelvin

offside prior to the dive as well

tbh i never rated Lee Mason, I was afraid he would cock something up and he did. Im just glad it was QPR who suffered from a bad decision. that was a shocking decision, one of the worst calls this season.

Having said that- that idiot Atkinson should've sent Balloteli off and he didn't. Ivanovic and Mata's goals were also farcical. Refs had a mare over the weekend.

8thWonder · 8th April 2012, 20:35

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Originally Posted by gbgary

other than today i don't remember a stink over him diving. rooney and nani have taken more criticism over it than young.

That's because they are better players. Same with Bale, Suarez, Ronaldo, Busquets (obviously in a league of his own), Gerrard... Higher profile means they're hated more anyways, diving is then highlighted a lot quicker.

Agent Red · 8th April 2012, 20:38

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Originally Posted by Plechazunga

Sure he sys that publicly, but I doubt any successful manager discourages his players from diving. Only from diving badly. It's too competitive a league and the margins are too tight for hard-nosed bastards like Fergie to give their opponents any advantage. Unfortunately.

It was a former player I think, or someone that used to be backroom. I don't know, I can't remember. None of us know really, you could well be right and I might be naive.

Richter · 8th April 2012, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Agent Red

Reason I say that is that I seem to remember some player interview a while ago where they said that he discouraged them behind closed doors. Also it certainly cut down in Ronaldo's game towards the end of his time with us. Could be hopeful though, I can't remember the exact source of the interview unfortunately.

Think it was Gary Neville but not sure. But then there is Stam that claimed in his book that Fergie told the players to dive. I think generally Fergie looks the other way if there is a dive by a United player that helps United win a game, it's the diving away from the danger areas like Ronaldo/Nani used to do by rolling around the sidelines that makes him angry.

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8th April 2012, 15:17	#2001 (permalink)
Kelvin Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 21,347	offside prior to the dive as well

8th April 2012, 15:22	#2005 (permalink)
Orton Ati-virus, keeps missing the n button Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: bonnie wee Scotland Posts: 12,372	The linesman should be punted for that. Shocking how he couldn't see the offside.

8th April 2012, 15:35	#2007 (permalink)
MaroonPondlife Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In the Land that Faces Away from the Sun Posts: 1,582	He's a serial diver ... always has been. Odious. I wouldn't be holding back on players like that. Shame coz he's a good player.

8th April 2012, 15:38	#2008 (permalink)
kouroux No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 32,563	Shameful stuff from Young.It's QPR, no need to resort that sort of cheating that much early in the match.Made another clear dive in the second half

8th April 2012, 15:53	#2018 (permalink)
Cina Love Nani, Hate Ando Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Bandwagon Posts: 24,214	There's something fundamentally wrong with actually hating a player who plays for this club. Busquets and Suarez are on an entirely different level when it comes to playacting and cuntishness than Young.

8th April 2012, 16:00	#2022 (permalink)
Snow First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: I like turtles Posts: 16,890	And the fact that he bites people, waves imaginary cards and gets mad that the other players don't get booked. And his face. You could hate on Suarez for his face alone.

8th April 2012, 16:00	#2023 (permalink)
Lance Uppercut First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NOBODY, calls Dugan a turd. Posts: 19,808	There was slight contact but I think he could have stayed up. It's gay, but I'll take it. This makes me a massive hypocrite.

8th April 2012, 16:02	#2024 (permalink)
Cheesy Smells Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 9,104	The worst thing about hating him is that diving is the only really bad thing he does to be honest. If he was fighting on the pitch every other game and was constantly in the news for getting into trouble with the law, then you could understand someone hating him, but that's not the case. He generally seems to be a decent guy off the field.

8th April 2012, 17:07	#2029 (permalink)
togg Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Mike Phelan is a Looner Posts: 3,025	nah..young dived and we don't need that at united. Others have done it before and Fergie will have a word. Win it fair and square, that's what I believe and we have totally done that in the main. We have the players to win..we don't need cheating...

8th April 2012, 19:08	#2030 (permalink)
Plechazunga Grammar partisan who sleeps with a real life Ryan Giggs doll. Join Date: May 2003 Location: Where Albert Stubbins scored a diving header Posts: 51,908	I love the notion that Fergie will 'have a word'. Like fuck he will. I like Young but he's a massive diver

8th April 2012, 19:09	#2031 (permalink)
FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 21,129	Neville's article in the Fail today suggests Fergie won't have a word

8th April 2012, 19:10	#2032 (permalink)
Lance Uppercut First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NOBODY, calls Dugan a turd. Posts: 19,808	He might do. "Be less obvious, asshole."

8th April 2012, 19:18	#2033 (permalink)
gbgary First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: dallas Posts: 8,988	other than today i don't remember a stink over him diving. rooney and nani have taken more criticism over it than young.

8th April 2012, 19:38	#2034 (permalink)
Plechazunga Grammar partisan who sleeps with a real life Ryan Giggs doll. Join Date: May 2003 Location: Where Albert Stubbins scored a diving header Posts: 51,908	He's an excellent diver. It may look obvious to us, but refs fall for it about three times a game. He's close to Owen levels in terms of technique. I wish he'd feckin stop it.

8th April 2012, 19:51	#2036 (permalink)
Plechazunga Grammar partisan who sleeps with a real life Ryan Giggs doll. Join Date: May 2003 Location: Where Albert Stubbins scored a diving header Posts: 51,908	Sure he sys that publicly, but I doubt any successful manager discourages his players from diving. Only from diving badly. It's too competitive a league and the margins are too tight for hard-nosed bastards like Fergie to give their opponents any advantage. Unfortunately.