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And Kevin Davies did one for Bolton against City last night. Some people seem to reserve their fanfare for when Berbatov does something, even if several other players do the exact same thing and some do it better. As I said, its still nice play but its something you see these days and not just from Ronaldinho on a good day. Still, as you say, if Berbatov did something nice like that and it was effective in a big game against the likes of Chelsea, that could top off a great performance very nicely. Thing is he's had loads of chances against big teams since he signed, scored only once and rarely looked like he might be able to make the difference in the game. He's had more chances than most in these matches and now, seemingly he's getting less and less chances in those types of matches. So he just better go out and do the business the very next time he's given a chance in one of the big matches. Because eventually everyone is given a last chance. |
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The main thing he was missing last season was goals, which he's seemed to recover this season. But his general play isnt as good as it was last season. So perhaps the real solution is found somewhere between last season's role and his current one. To be good in the build up, then get in the box and score the goals. To be honest, I think the main adjustment that could see him "fit" better into the team would be to tell him to keep it 1 and 2 touch football. Just control it and move it on ala Carrick and then get into the box to score the goals he has been scoring. Instead of dribbling the ball back towards the half way line or taking 3 or 4 touches to find a short pass to his left or right. Keep the ball moving and keep the goals coming. Just my opinion though. |
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He got a lot of flack after the Inter game, people were furious he started ahead of Rooney, who came on and looked twice as dangerous as Berbatov did
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He didn't do much in both legs to be honest. Not any significant moments, maybe a shot off target in the first leg 2nd half.
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He did ok against Inter from what i remember. He was uptop and brought others into the game well.
His best performance this season was against Blackburn at home - he could have scored a few in that game. |
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#253 (permalink) |
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Nicked this interview off UEFA's website.
Manchester United FC's Dimitar Berbatov is looking forward to facing the team of his favourite player Marco van Basten as he bids to make up for a history of near misses in the UEFA Champions League. Dimitar Berbatov has twice been on the losing side in UEFA Champions League finals and hopes there will be a third time lucky in 2010. First, though, he and Manchester United FC must overcome the club he supported as a boy – AC Milan. United face Milan in the first knockout round, playing the first leg at San Siro on 16 February, and although Berbatov has experience of that famous ground it has not been against the Rossoneri. "I have played against each big club in the world, but I've never played against Milan – I am very excited," the striker told UEFA.com. The tie assumes an extra dimension for the Bulgarian international, given he followed Milan as a youngster. "Yes, I was a fan, because Marco van Basten was playing there," he said. "I was a big admirer of him, a great player, one of the greatest forwards ever. That's the reason I was for AC Milan, just because he was playing there." Sir Alex Ferguson's team have encountered these same opponents in two knockout ties in recent seasons, going out on both occasions. Their last meeting was a high-octane 2007 semi-final which Milan won 5-3 on aggregate, and Berbatov accepts the Italian giants are never to be underestimated. "It will be a great game," he said. "Some people say they are not in the best shape, but I think that's deceiving. In the Champions League everybody is different. I know they will prepare very well for us. There's no favourite: it's 50-50." While many top players have never sampled European club football's showpiece event, Berbatov ticked that box at the start of his career, featuring in Bayer 04 Leverkusen's 2-1 final loss to Real Madrid CF in 2002. "I was on the bench and thinking this is like every other game," he added. "I was a kid back then, but then the coach said 'warm up' and my heart was going to blow up." He made a second appearance last term for United, and although that final ended in defeat too, he feels his chance of claiming a winner's medal has not passed him by. "Two times, two losses for me and then you have players who have won it, like, four times. But I'm glad I had the opportunity to play at the highest level. I want to be there again and I'm sure we will be." Winning the UEFA Champions League is something Berbatov has "dreamed about all my life", but at the age of 29 he is even more aware of the trophy's significance. "When I was in my first final, I was 19 and I didn't pay much attention to that stuff. But then when you look back you are like, come on, not so many players have the chance to play in the Champions League final. So, the second time, when we lost against Barcelona, it was very disappointing." A game of already fine margins, a final only accentuates the details according to the former PFC CSKA Sofia and Tottenham Hotspur FC forward. "It's about who is the smartest, who is the clever one, who can use the mistake of the other team and just score the winning goal – that's pretty much the difference." In 2002 it was no mere moment of magic that undid Leverkusen; it was one of the iconic images of the UEFA Champions League. "Zidane with that volley with his left foot – unbelievable goal – and to score it in the final of the Champions League!" Now, though, he is convinced United have a side that can deliver glory in Europe's premier club competition. "Everybody is supporting each other – when you look left or right, you see a player who can help you. And of course you have the boss as well, who knows how to motivate you." After two near misses, and facing the team of his favourite player, Berbatov may have all the motivation he needs. |
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I dont agree, Berbatov is central to the team and brings us many options. I think we make to much of the fact that he cost us alot of money but we seem to forget the value which he brings to the team
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I know, he has had worst games.
just a reminder, post-Inter ratings Quote:
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![]() Brilliant. Posting a small selection of ratings from a thread on redcafe (almost exclusively from some of the daftest posters on here) is all the evidence I need to be convinced that was one of his worst performances ever. To think, you actually went to all that effort too. What a spacker. |
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How about skysports ratings for that match?
Sky Sports | Football News | Match Facts | Inter Milan v Man Utd - 24th February 2009 5/10 |
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From what I remember he actually played quite well that match, but missed a few complete sitters, and chose the wrong options in good situations, which obviously brought his rating down from say a 7, to a 5.
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Those sky ratings are a joke. Berbatov, Giggs and Evra all got the same rating as Fletcher and Carrick yesterday, according to sky. |
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Because sky and Sunny Jim think so?
I think I'll trust my own judgement on this one. By the way, if you can find the bit where I said he had a "great" game, go ahead and quote me. I was objecting to the bollox about it being his "worst game ever" and/or him being "completely invisible". That's just Sunny Jim talking shit, as usual. Berbatov had a decent enough game, linked up play well but missed a sitter. By no means great but by no means terrible. Played his part in an all-round fantastic team performance IMO. |
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You really are thick as fuck.
According to sky, Berbatov played as well as both Carrick and Fletcher yesterday. Do you really think they're right about that? What on earth have their ratings got to do with what actually happened on the pitch? |
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cool and you're right he was shocking (at lest much poorer then mentioned players) yesterday, but as we were down to ten men i don't want to criticize him too much. |
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Ratings Vs Inter Milan You're such a mong.... |
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For the record I never check sky's website for ratings it was just the first example that popped into my head when Pogue dismissed what the cafe thought of Berba's performance so I did a quick search and found that and it matched the consensus on here. I'm sure it wasn't the only site that gave Berbatov a low rating considering he wasn't anything special in that game.
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I must have got a bad recording. Game I ended up watching Berba wasn't poor yesterday. He held the ball up well, was calm and instantly contributed to Rooney's curler attempt.
He came on at a time we were starting to tire and cede more possession. Being the player he is, he wasn't going to be a run run run and get the ball back but, did what was expected provide a good outlet and someone who could retain possession for us. Job well done in that respect - he did exactly what the manager wanted him to - obviously not what a lot of fans wanted. |
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I didn't think he was particularly good but he did ok. Not really enough time (or support) to have any kind of impact. Was only mentioning him to show how absurd it is that sky could have thought he deserved the same rating as Carrick or Fletch. |
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Everyone in the thread was talking about the game in the San Siro, I even fucking spelt it out a few posts back. Can you even read? |
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Reminds me very much of Veron, he plays quite well and not as bad as some people make out and certainly does offer something a little different, but regardless of what anyone says as of yet is overall performances have not justified the amount we paid for him.
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Berbs played alright in the Inter away game.
He was the figurehead of our our attack that night. Nothing spectacular, held the ball up well and linked up well with others. One of our best European performances last season. We should be been 2 or 3 up. Man of the match that night was Julio Cesar, their keeper. |
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They never will. He has never been a 30 million pound player. even on top form. We all know he was over priced, so I always find it astounding people want to judge him by a price tag that had little to do with his actually quality.
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Berbatov blasts price tag
Chief is right, It's not fair to beat him with the price stick.
old story: Berbatov blasts price tag - mirror.co.uk Quote:
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