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Old 10th February 2010, 17:58   #241 (permalink)
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Are you being serious?
Probably as the serious as the Tevez-wasn't-given-enough-opportunities-brigade. (Serious but silly, in other words.)
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Old 10th February 2010, 17:59   #242 (permalink)
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Berba has never been given a chance to play against "hard teams".

And these are the games, where if you do produce some magic, the fans, the media, will show much more appreciation if it was done against a weaker team. Say the flick Berba produced on Saturday, to Valencia, happened against Chelsea, and Valencia actually scored. There would be Berbapraise, from everyone.
While its a nice skill Juan Albin did a better one at the weekend for Getafe against Barcelona, but do you hear much about him?

And Kevin Davies did one for Bolton against City last night.

Some people seem to reserve their fanfare for when Berbatov does something, even if several other players do the exact same thing and some do it better. As I said, its still nice play but its something you see these days and not just from Ronaldinho on a good day.

Still, as you say, if Berbatov did something nice like that and it was effective in a big game against the likes of Chelsea, that could top off a great performance very nicely. Thing is he's had loads of chances against big teams since he signed, scored only once and rarely looked like he might be able to make the difference in the game. He's had more chances than most in these matches and now, seemingly he's getting less and less chances in those types of matches. So he just better go out and do the business the very next time he's given a chance in one of the big matches. Because eventually everyone is given a last chance.
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Old 10th February 2010, 18:05   #243 (permalink)
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He had a good game against Inter if I recall correctly, but that was a tremendous team performance more than anything.

Berbatov is not going to get many chances in big games simply because he's not good enough to displace Rooney and he's not versatile enough to play a different role.
It's not necessarily a slight on Berbatov, but he just doesn't fit into the system we play in big matches.
He can play a different role. He played it last season. But clearly not to the level Sir Alex was hoping he'd play it, else he wouldnt have come out with the comments he did last summer saying they were wrong to play him there and would be moving him further forward.

The main thing he was missing last season was goals, which he's seemed to recover this season. But his general play isnt as good as it was last season. So perhaps the real solution is found somewhere between last season's role and his current one. To be good in the build up, then get in the box and score the goals.

To be honest, I think the main adjustment that could see him "fit" better into the team would be to tell him to keep it 1 and 2 touch football. Just control it and move it on ala Carrick and then get into the box to score the goals he has been scoring. Instead of dribbling the ball back towards the half way line or taking 3 or 4 touches to find a short pass to his left or right. Keep the ball moving and keep the goals coming. Just my opinion though.
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He had a good game against Inter if I recall correctly, but that was a tremendous team performance more than anything.

Berbatov is not going to get many chances in big games simply because he's not good enough to displace Rooney and he's not versatile enough to play a different role.
It's not necessarily a slight on Berbatov, but he just doesn't fit into the system we play in big matches.
he was fucking invisible against Inter, probably hes worst performance ever in a United shirt. Having said that i'm not sure whether it was his worst because he has had loads of shockers.
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Berbatov is not going to get many chances in big games simply because he's not good enough to displace Rooney and he's not versatile enough to play a different role.
It's not necessarily a slight on Berbatov, but he just doesn't fit into the system we play in big matches.
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Old 10th February 2010, 19:10   #246 (permalink)
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he was fucking invisible against Inter, probably hes worst performance ever in a United shirt. Having said that i'm not sure whether it was his worst because he has had loads of shockers.
He got a lot of flack after the Inter game, people were furious he started ahead of Rooney, who came on and looked twice as dangerous as Berbatov did
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he was fucking invisible against Inter, probably hes worst performance ever in a United shirt. Having said that i'm not sure whether it was his worst because he has had loads of shockers.
Total and utter nonsense.
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Berbatov has had several worse games than the Inter one.
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We were really good against them (Away) but Berbatov didnt do much and certainly didnt look likely to get a goal. He's had worse matches.
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He missed a sitter iirc.

Had a decent game though. Played his part in one of our best European away performances in ages.
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He didn't do much in both legs to be honest. Not any significant moments, maybe a shot off target in the first leg 2nd half.
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Old 10th February 2010, 19:37   #252 (permalink)
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He did ok against Inter from what i remember. He was uptop and brought others into the game well.

His best performance this season was against Blackburn at home - he could have scored a few in that game.
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Nicked this interview off UEFA's website.



Manchester United FC's Dimitar Berbatov is looking forward to facing the team of his favourite player Marco van Basten as he bids to make up for a history of near misses in the UEFA Champions League.

Dimitar Berbatov has twice been on the losing side in UEFA Champions League finals and hopes there will be a third time lucky in 2010. First, though, he and Manchester United FC must overcome the club he supported as a boy – AC Milan.

United face Milan in the first knockout round, playing the first leg at San Siro on 16 February, and although Berbatov has experience of that famous ground it has not been against the Rossoneri. "I have played against each big club in the world, but I've never played against Milan – I am very excited," the striker told UEFA.com.

The tie assumes an extra dimension for the Bulgarian international, given he followed Milan as a youngster. "Yes, I was a fan, because Marco van Basten was playing there," he said. "I was a big admirer of him, a great player, one of the greatest forwards ever. That's the reason I was for AC Milan, just because he was playing there."

Sir Alex Ferguson's team have encountered these same opponents in two knockout ties in recent seasons, going out on both occasions. Their last meeting was a high-octane 2007 semi-final which Milan won 5-3 on aggregate, and Berbatov accepts the Italian giants are never to be underestimated.

"It will be a great game," he said. "Some people say they are not in the best shape, but I think that's deceiving. In the Champions League everybody is different. I know they will prepare very well for us. There's no favourite: it's 50-50."

While many top players have never sampled European club football's showpiece event, Berbatov ticked that box at the start of his career, featuring in Bayer 04 Leverkusen's 2-1 final loss to Real Madrid CF in 2002. "I was on the bench and thinking this is like every other game," he added. "I was a kid back then, but then the coach said 'warm up' and my heart was going to blow up."

He made a second appearance last term for United, and although that final ended in defeat too, he feels his chance of claiming a winner's medal has not passed him by. "Two times, two losses for me and then you have players who have won it, like, four times. But I'm glad I had the opportunity to play at the highest level. I want to be there again and I'm sure we will be."

Winning the UEFA Champions League is something Berbatov has "dreamed about all my life", but at the age of 29 he is even more aware of the trophy's significance. "When I was in my first final, I was 19 and I didn't pay much attention to that stuff. But then when you look back you are like, come on, not so many players have the chance to play in the Champions League final. So, the second time, when we lost against Barcelona, it was very disappointing."

A game of already fine margins, a final only accentuates the details according to the former PFC CSKA Sofia and Tottenham Hotspur FC forward. "It's about who is the smartest, who is the clever one, who can use the mistake of the other team and just score the winning goal – that's pretty much the difference." In 2002 it was no mere moment of magic that undid Leverkusen; it was one of the iconic images of the UEFA Champions League. "Zidane with that volley with his left foot – unbelievable goal – and to score it in the final of the Champions League!"

Now, though, he is convinced United have a side that can deliver glory in Europe's premier club competition. "Everybody is supporting each other – when you look left or right, you see a player who can help you. And of course you have the boss as well, who knows how to motivate you." After two near misses, and facing the team of his favourite player, Berbatov may have all the motivation he needs.
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I dont agree, Berbatov is central to the team and brings us many options. I think we make to much of the fact that he cost us alot of money but we seem to forget the value which he brings to the team
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Berbatov on the bench again tonight.
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Berbatov on the bench again tonight.
Points dropped without him again.
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Total and utter nonsense.
I know, he has had worst games.


just a reminder, post-Inter ratings


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Berbatov - 6 - Didnt do much and didnt want to.Missed a good chance too.
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you can't be serious
Of course not, our midfield would have been over run had we started 442 last night, the second half proved that.
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just a reminder, post-Inter ratings


Brilliant. Posting a small selection of ratings from a thread on redcafe (almost exclusively from some of the daftest posters on here) is all the evidence I need to be convinced that was one of his worst performances ever.

To think, you actually went to all that effort too. What a spacker.
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Old 11th February 2010, 21:44   #261 (permalink)
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How about skysports ratings for that match?

Sky Sports | Football News | Match Facts | Inter Milan v Man Utd - 24th February 2009

5/10
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From what I remember he actually played quite well that match, but missed a few complete sitters, and chose the wrong options in good situations, which obviously brought his rating down from say a 7, to a 5.
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Not quite as laughable but right up there.

Those sky ratings are a joke. Berbatov, Giggs and Evra all got the same rating as Fletcher and Carrick yesterday, according to sky.
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You know, maybe, just maybe, Berbatov didn't have a great game?
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Brilliant. Posting a small selection of ratings from a thread on redcafe (almost exclusively from some of the daftest posters on here) is all the evidence I need to be convinced that was one of his worst performances ever.

To think, you actually went to all that effort too. What a spacker.
you actually haven't realized that i posted like 6 first post or summat? you're right - i wasn't arsed to quote all ratings. You're a lost case i'm afraid and nothing will ever convince you that Berbs isn not as good as you think.
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so he was the worst player in our team, was he not?
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You know, maybe, just maybe, Berbatov didn't have a great game?
Because sky and Sunny Jim think so?

I think I'll trust my own judgement on this one.

By the way, if you can find the bit where I said he had a "great" game, go ahead and quote me. I was objecting to the bollox about it being his "worst game ever" and/or him being "completely invisible". That's just Sunny Jim talking shit, as usual.

Berbatov had a decent enough game, linked up play well but missed a sitter. By no means great but by no means terrible. Played his part in an all-round fantastic team performance IMO.
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so he was the worst player in our team, was he not?
You really are thick as fuck.

According to sky, Berbatov played as well as both Carrick and Fletcher yesterday.

Do you really think they're right about that? What on earth have their ratings got to do with what actually happened on the pitch?
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You really are thick as fuck.

According to sky, Berbatov played as well as both Carrick and Fletcher yesterday. What on earth have their ratings got to do with what happened on the pitch?
to sum it up- sky ratings go in hand with the general feeling (at least on these boards) that berbs had a poor game. but of course you disagree so it means that majority of posters and Sky are wrong.

cool

and you're right he was shocking (at lest much poorer then mentioned players) yesterday, but as we were down to ten men i don't want to criticize him too much.
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to sum it up- sky ratings go in hand with the general feeling (at least on these boards) that berbs had a poor game. but of course you disagree so it means that majority of posters and Sky are wrong.

cool

and you're right he was shocking (at lest much poorer then mentioned players) yesterday, but as we were down to ten men i don't want to criticize him too much.
You do realise those sky ratings are from the game I'm actually talking about (i.e. the away leg on February 24th) but the caftard ratings you posted are from a completely different match? i.e. the home game (on March 11th)

Ratings Vs Inter Milan

You're such a mong....
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For the record I never check sky's website for ratings it was just the first example that popped into my head when Pogue dismissed what the cafe thought of Berba's performance so I did a quick search and found that and it matched the consensus on here. I'm sure it wasn't the only site that gave Berbatov a low rating considering he wasn't anything special in that game.
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I must have got a bad recording. Game I ended up watching Berba wasn't poor yesterday. He held the ball up well, was calm and instantly contributed to Rooney's curler attempt.

He came on at a time we were starting to tire and cede more possession. Being the player he is, he wasn't going to be a run run run and get the ball back but, did what was expected provide a good outlet and someone who could retain possession for us. Job well done in that respect - he did exactly what the manager wanted him to - obviously not what a lot of fans wanted.
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You do realise those sky ratings are from the game I'm actually talking about (i.e. the away leg on February 24th) but the caftard ratings you posted are from a completely different match? i.e. the home game (on March 11th)

Ratings Vs Inter Milan

You're such a mong....
so i'm a mong because he mixed up the games, right?

. and you wont let it go, will ya?

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I must have got a bad recording. Game I ended up watching Berba wasn't poor yesterday. He held the ball up well, was calm and instantly contributed to Rooney's curler attempt.

He came on at a time we were starting to tire and cede more possession. Being the player he is, he wasn't going to be a run run run and get the ball back but, did what was expected provide a good outlet and someone who could retain possession for us. Job well done in that respect - he did exactly what the manager wanted him to - obviously not what a lot of fans wanted.
The mistake you're making there is taking Sunny Jim's opinion seriously.

I didn't think he was particularly good but he did ok. Not really enough time (or support) to have any kind of impact.

Was only mentioning him to show how absurd it is that sky could have thought he deserved the same rating as Carrick or Fletch.
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so i'm a mong because he mixed up the games, right?


you're a wanker Pouge. and you want let it go, will ya?.
No, you fucking idiot, he got the game right. You got it wrong. Like you get most things wrong.

Everyone in the thread was talking about the game in the San Siro, I even fucking spelt it out a few posts back. Can you even read?

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He missed a sitter iirc.

Had a decent game though. Played his part in one of our best European away performances in ages.
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Reminds me very much of Veron, he plays quite well and not as bad as some people make out and certainly does offer something a little different, but regardless of what anyone says as of yet is overall performances have not justified the amount we paid for him.
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From what I remember he actually played quite well that match, but missed a few complete sitters, and chose the wrong options in good situations, which obviously brought his rating down from say a 7, to a 5.
it makes no sense.
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Berbs played alright in the Inter away game.

He was the figurehead of our our attack that night. Nothing spectacular, held the ball up well and linked up well with others.

One of our best European performances last season. We should be been 2 or 3 up. Man of the match that night was Julio Cesar, their keeper.
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Reminds me very much of Veron, he plays quite well and not as bad as some people make out and certainly does offer something a little different, but regardless of what anyone says as of yet is overall performances have not justified the amount we paid for him.
They never will. He has never been a 30 million pound player. even on top form. We all know he was over priced, so I always find it astounding people want to judge him by a price tag that had little to do with his actually quality.
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Berbatov blasts price tag

Chief is right, It's not fair to beat him with the price stick.

old story:

Berbatov blasts price tag - mirror.co.uk

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Dimitar Berbatov last night slammed the staggering £26million price put on his head by Tottenham chiefs.
Spurs boss Juande Ramos has so far scared off Manchester United and even Chelsea by insisting they will have to shatter the British transfer record to land the Bulgarian.
But Berbatov, who grabbed 22 goals last season and has 13 so far this term, showed a hint of frustration at the fee demanded by the club that plucked him from obscurity and made him a star.
Speaking ahead of tomorrow night's Carling Cup semi-final against Arsenal, the 27-year-old said: "It's ridiculous, I don't think I'm worth so much money.
"I just have to do my job and score goals. I'm not a one-man team. Everybody in the team supports me and I've never heard a reproach or felt envy."
After Berbatov's silence on the issue only fuelled speculation, he last night contradicted claims by his agent Emil Dantchev that he wanted a move to a bigger club and maintained he aimed to win trophies at Spurs.
He said: "It's absurd and I'm tired of seeing my name in the newspapers. I want to live in peace. It's getting too much. I'm a Tottenham player and I'm trying to give my best, so I can help my team.
"I'm happy when we play well and miserable when we lose. I'm happy at the moment. You can win titles and medals with every team and I can win with Tottenham too."
Spurs skipper Ledley King believes the club should fight tooth and nail to keep Berbatov if they want the club to become a Premier League superpower.
The England defender said: "There are always going to be clubs chasing top players and Dimitar is a top player.
"We want to hold on to our best players, though, and if we want to move in the right direction then we need to hold on to Dimitar.
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