Carrick is United's Number One Midfielder

Mozza · 26th March 2008, 00:51

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Originally Posted by Feedingseagulls

The OH 'error' has been discussed before - his early positioning dictated by Brown's direction of retreat when the ball was in the Arsenal half etc.

However, some critics complained that OH's main offence was to fail to follow Fabregas when the ball moved on and he moved forwards - in this sense, the case of Carrick neglecting Gerrard is similar.

Mistakes do happen indeed - my point is that there is a group who will excuse Carrick on that basis but still castigate Hargreaves.

I would suggest that given both DM-role players have done this - this is what SAF and CQ want - 'if there are other players who should be able to deal with the threat if it develops then move in and try to restrict it at source'.

His early positioning was about 2 yards in front of the central defence, my critique was he started in the wrong place, then ended up chasing around without sorting one problem out, if he'd stuck with Fabregas that's one route to goal killed, if he'd followed Adebyor right in theres another, instead he does what he always does, runs around a lot without effect.

Brad · 26th March 2008, 00:55

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Originally Posted by GusHiddink

Why does capello not rate him then??

p.s. what a change of tune from you lot earlier in the season!! Football fans....jesus.

p.p.s. Scholes is still our best mid when right, hope this helps.

Not just Capello, successive England managers

Mildly astonishing overeaction thread this. Paul Scholes is still our best midfielder for me, oozes quality. Players will pass him the ball when he's got a man on him already; they trust him to keep it and use it. He makes space for the player alongside him.

As per usual, once a player has been out injured for a significant period, it takes him a few games to get back into the swing. Inevitably, half of Caftonia slated him as finished during that time. Anyone with any ounce of an idea what they're on about knew it was just a matter of time, the cream always rise. Scholes has never relied on pace, he could carry on playing as long as Sheringham for me, very similar types of players in very different positions. Wise heads

I've seen Carrick have a couple of absolute shockers at OT this season. I think he's a quality player. But he certainly isn't one of the very best in the world, and the fact he's played relatively little recently during a vital part of the season despite not being injured probably says a lot. I think he has the tools to be far better than he is actually. But it's a nice partnership he's got going with Scholes. I put that down largely to Scholes' class of course...

Mozza · 26th March 2008, 01:02

Scholes had a couple of very poor seasons until Carrick joined us, he makes Scholes perform better

Brad · 26th March 2008, 01:08

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Originally Posted by Mozza

Scholes had a couple of very poor seasons until Carrick joined us, he makes Scholes perform better

That's just simply not true though is it

He had a period of poor form, and he went quite a long time without scoring. But very poor for a couple of seasons? Absolute tosh

Wes · 26th March 2008, 01:10

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Originally Posted by Mozza

His early positioning was about 2 yards in front of the central defence, my critique was he started in the wrong place, then ended up chasing around without sorting one problem out, if he'd stuck with Fabregas that's one route to goal killed, if he'd followed Adebyor right in theres another, instead he does what he always does, runs around a lot without effect.

we've already been through this. Hargreaves has no real redeeming qualities, thats why he's underrated.

Iron Stove · 26th March 2008, 01:20

Carrick did well against Liverpool, but he wasn't magnificent. To me it seems like this whole Hargreaves vs Carrick debate clouds some peoples judgement. Both are decent footballers but nothing special at this level really. Scholes was the obvious stand out midfielder this Sunday. Although I rate Carrick, my feeling is that he will sadly enough never become a worthy replacement for the ginger one.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 02:13

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Originally Posted by Iron Stove

Carrick did well against Liverpool, but he wasn't magnificent. To me it seems like this whole Hargreaves vs Carrick debate clouds some peoples judgement. Both are decent footballers but nothing special at this level really. Scholes was the obvious stand out midfielder this Sunday. Although I rate Carrick, my feeling is that he will sadly enough never become a worthy replacement for the ginger one.

I'm sorry, but that's rubbish.

marcus agrippa · 26th March 2008, 02:17

so...the OH vs Carrick battle changes theatre to a new thread.

i'll be upset if this thread does not hit the 300 000 post mark.

ALX8725 · 26th March 2008, 02:20

I was going to praise how great of a player Carrick is.... but everything I wanted to say has already been said...

BahamaRed · 26th March 2008, 02:38

Carrick and Scholes play very well together, playing the ball off each other until a gap opens. Carrick's through-the-middle balls to the edge of the area are always a surprise cos on the TV you can't see that far to the left (which is thro the middle) most of the time so you don't know who's running into position until Carrick puts that ball thro and the camera has to pan to follow it!
Both of them have a great footballing sense and can tell the movement of several other players at once which is a great asset in their positions. I would say it's our best pairing against most other teams. Hargreaves Fletch and Anderson son son in the third slot gives us tremendous choice.
If we don't win the CL this year with this crew we'll never win it.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 02:45

Put it this way, Scholes plays better when Carrick is playing and Carrick plays better when Scholes is playing. They just compliment each other.

BahamaRed · 26th March 2008, 02:51

What Sam said.

Wes · 26th March 2008, 03:00

the team we played against pool and Teveth for Giggs is the team we should play from now on. With Nani/Giggs to come off the bench. Its the team in best form.

The team he plays against Villa may tell us something about his rotation plans. I mean, he can hardly drop the team that played Liverpool off the park?

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 03:02

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Originally Posted by WesBrownIsAGod

the team we played against pool and Teveth for Giggs is the team we should play from now on. With Nani/Giggs to come off the bench. Its the team in best form.

The team he plays against Villa may tell us something about his rotation plans. I mean, he can hardly drop the team that played Liverpool off the park?

This is our best team...

--------------------VDS--------------------

Brown---------Rio--------Vidic----------Evra

--------------------Carrick-------------------
------------Scholes-------Anderson-----------

--------Ronaldo--------------Tevez----------
-------------------Rooney--------------------

I honestly believe it could beat anyone else in the world.

FlawlessThaw · 26th March 2008, 03:04

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Put it this way, Scholes plays better when Carrick is playing and Carrick plays better when Scholes is playing. They just compliment each other.

Agreed. However that is just like saying Anderson plays better when Hargreaves is playing and Hargreaves plays better when Anderson is playing. Least in terms of the context of this season.

FlawlessThaw · 26th March 2008, 03:05

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

This is our best team...

--------------------VDS--------------------

Brown---------Rio--------Vidic----------Evra

--------------------Carrick-------------------
------------Scholes-------Anderson-----------

--------Ronaldo--------------Tevez----------
-------------------Rooney--------------------

I honestly believe it could beat anyone else in the world.

On form and experience included that's currently our best team.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 03:09

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Originally Posted by FlawlessThaw

On form and experience included that's currently our best team.

Yep.

I'd be incredibly confident of beating anyone with that team.

Wes · 26th March 2008, 03:11

Scholes' brain, decision making, posession etc is just too good to ignore. He's just too good not to play. Only if we play Chelsea or some pile of monsters (like Portsmouth) would I want Fletcher to play instead.

Anderson's workrate is pretty fuckin good. We'll win the midfield battle with numbers, and we've got the 3 best passers from deep in our first XI. Thats good news as far as I'm concerned. I'd play like that against Barca at home as well.

Suedesi · 26th March 2008, 04:28

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Originally Posted by Dippersripper

The best midfielder of arguably the best team in the world.

Good player when everything's going the right way, but he's not the type to grab a game by the scruff of the neck. He won't impose himself when the rest are having a quiet game.

All this delusion is scouse-like.

Suedesi · 26th March 2008, 04:31

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

This is our best team...

--------------------VDS--------------------

Brown---------Rio--------Vidic----------Evra

--------------------Carrick-------------------
------------Scholes-------Anderson-----------

--------Ronaldo--------------Tevez----------
-------------------Rooney--------------------

I honestly believe it could beat anyone else in the world.

How do you justify having Anderson in there and not say... Nani who's been far superior in both goal scoring, assisting, crossing or general impact on the game?

BahamaRed · 26th March 2008, 04:34

Nani's crossing and corners are superb. He should be one of the players first on the team sheet for that alone.

Wes · 26th March 2008, 04:37

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Originally Posted by Suedesi

How do you justify having Anderson in there and not say... Nani who's been far superior in both goal scoring, assisting, crossing or general impact on the game?

Nani's not a central midfielder, dufus.

Suedesi · 26th March 2008, 04:40

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Originally Posted by WesBrownIsAGod

Nani's not a central midfielder, dufus.

Did I say that?

ooeat0meoo · 26th March 2008, 05:09

I don't know about #1, but he is perfect for this squad. Ronaldo has proven to be the nucleus of a winning formula.

Carrick like most of the United players have pulled together around Ronaldo. Team players are what was responsible for the treble year. Fergie is doing well to build another young crew of very good teamwork-minded players.

OK enough. · 26th March 2008, 05:22

To win a league in your debut season at United is a remarkable one. He has been a brilliant signing for us. thanks to god.

kelvinhole · 26th March 2008, 06:16

He's the perfect complement to Scholes.

Chris H · 26th March 2008, 06:25

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Originally Posted by WesBrownIsAGod

The team he plays against Villa may tell us something about his rotation plans. I mean, he can hardly drop the team that played Liverpool off the park?

He definitely could, because if that's our best 11, he might want them on the field Tuesday away to Roma, so he likely wouldn't ask them all to play two games in four days. There'll almost definitely be some rotation in the midfield on Saturday.

fatboy · 26th March 2008, 07:15

I wasn't a big fan of Carrick's initially, but I think he's finally showing his true quality. Fact is, the Spurs have not been the same team since he left, while we went on to win the league, and that says a lot.

I still see him and Anderson being our main partnership once Scholes retires. OH is a good player we can safely rotate in without a significant drop in quality, and that is what we'll need to challenge for trophies.

Mozza · 26th March 2008, 08:45

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Originally Posted by A Brad

That's just simply not true though is it

He had a period of poor form, and he went quite a long time without scoring. But very poor for a couple of seasons? Absolute tosh

Nope, he had a couple of poor seasons, he was that bad

Mozza · 26th March 2008, 08:47

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Originally Posted by Iron Stove

Carrick did well against Liverpool, but he wasn't magnificent. To me it seems like this whole

26th March 2008, 01:02	#83 (permalink)
Mozza "Geek" Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Football, bloody hell Posts: 16,388	Scholes had a couple of very poor seasons until Carrick joined us, he makes Scholes perform better

26th March 2008, 01:20	#86 (permalink)
Iron Stove Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,287	Carrick did well against Liverpool, but he wasn't magnificent. To me it seems like this whole Hargreaves vs Carrick debate clouds some peoples judgement. Both are decent footballers but nothing special at this level really. Scholes was the obvious stand out midfielder this Sunday. Although I rate Carrick, my feeling is that he will sadly enough never become a worthy replacement for the ginger one.

26th March 2008, 02:17	#88 (permalink)
marcus agrippa First Team Sub Join Date: May 2005 Location: "Clattenburg!- Jesus God!" - SAF Posts: 5,157	so...the OH vs Carrick battle changes theatre to a new thread. i'll be upset if this thread does not hit the 300 000 post mark.

26th March 2008, 02:20	#89 (permalink)
ALX8725 reyalP maeT htuoY Join Date: May 2007 Location: Would rather walk alone. Posts: 2,155	I was going to praise how great of a player Carrick is.... but everything I wanted to say has already been said...

26th March 2008, 02:38	#90 (permalink)
BahamaRed Legend Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Location: Location: Posts: 9,573	Carrick and Scholes play very well together, playing the ball off each other until a gap opens. Carrick's through-the-middle balls to the edge of the area are always a surprise cos on the TV you can't see that far to the left (which is thro the middle) most of the time so you don't know who's running into position until Carrick puts that ball thro and the camera has to pan to follow it! Both of them have a great footballing sense and can tell the movement of several other players at once which is a great asset in their positions. I would say it's our best pairing against most other teams. Hargreaves Fletch and Anderson son son in the third slot gives us tremendous choice. If we don't win the CL this year with this crew we'll never win it.

26th March 2008, 02:45	#91 (permalink)
Sam#1 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ‘’Nobody panics when things go according to plan….even if the plan is horrifying! If I tell the press that tomorrow…a truckload of soldiers will get blown up, nobody panics. But when I say one little old mayor will die….everyone loses their minds!!’’ Posts: 12,842	Put it this way, Scholes plays better when Carrick is playing and Carrick plays better when Scholes is playing. They just compliment each other.

26th March 2008, 02:51	#92 (permalink)
BahamaRed Legend Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Location: Location: Posts: 9,573	What Sam said.

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Wes Brown is no God Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dublin, in the Irish Republic Posts: 7,104	the team we played against pool and Teveth for Giggs is the team we should play from now on. With Nani/Giggs to come off the bench. Its the team in best form. The team he plays against Villa may tell us something about his rotation plans. I mean, he can hardly drop the team that played Liverpool off the park?

26th March 2008, 03:11	#98 (permalink)
Wes Brown is no God Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dublin, in the Irish Republic Posts: 7,104	Scholes' brain, decision making, posession etc is just too good to ignore. He's just too good not to play. Only if we play Chelsea or some pile of monsters (like Portsmouth) would I want Fletcher to play instead. Anderson's workrate is pretty fuckin good. We'll win the midfield battle with numbers, and we've got the 3 best passers from deep in our first XI. Thats good news as far as I'm concerned. I'd play like that against Barca at home as well.

26th March 2008, 04:34	#101 (permalink)
BahamaRed Legend Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Location: Location: Posts: 9,573	Nani's crossing and corners are superb. He should be one of the players first on the team sheet for that alone.

26th March 2008, 05:09	#104 (permalink)
ooeat0meoo LABOB Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: My Happy Place - So Don't Be Fucking With Me! Posts: 6,724	I don't know about #1, but he is perfect for this squad. Ronaldo has proven to be the nucleus of a winning formula. Carrick like most of the United players have pulled together around Ronaldo. Team players are what was responsible for the treble year. Fergie is doing well to build another young crew of very good teamwork-minded players.

26th March 2008, 05:22	#105 (permalink)
OK enough. Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Redcafe star:Man utd for life. a player from Somaliland Posts: 3,740	To win a league in your debut season at United is a remarkable one. He has been a brilliant signing for us. thanks to god.

26th March 2008, 06:16	#106 (permalink)
kelvinhole Hello Kevin Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 5,343	He's the perfect complement to Scholes.

26th March 2008, 07:15	#108 (permalink)
fatboy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,173	I wasn't a big fan of Carrick's initially, but I think he's finally showing his true quality. Fact is, the Spurs have not been the same team since he left, while we went on to win the league, and that says a lot. I still see him and Anderson being our main partnership once Scholes retires. OH is a good player we can safely rotate in without a significant drop in quality, and that is what we'll need to challenge for trophies.