Carrick is United's Number One Midfielder

Van Piorsing · 26th March 2008, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Jacob

It's good he's English.

Yeah, United should always base on quality british footballers...

Feedingseagulls · 26th March 2008, 15:43

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Originally Posted by Mozza

His early positioning was about 2 yards in front of the central defence, my critique was he started in the wrong place, then ended up chasing around without sorting one problem out, if he'd stuck with Fabregas that's one route to goal killed, if he'd followed Adebyor right in theres another, instead he does what he always does, runs around a lot without effect.

OH started up in support of a Utd attack - about 15 yards in from the right & just over 1/2 way into the Arse half.

When the ball was given away Brown started running back inside OH - so the latter moved further towars the wing to cover the completely free Arse player advancing into that space. He successfully stopped that attacking pass but it ended up being moved into the middle & onto Fabregas about 20 yards from our penalty area - OH nearly got to him etc etc.

Or are we talking about completely different incidents?

Feedingseagulls · 26th March 2008, 15:51

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Originally Posted by robthered

It's locked though

The thing that gets me is that no one (mentioning no names) will come out and say "Actually Hargreaves is our best midfielder".

Fair enough with the Scholesy comments but is there any point in the childish rendition of Hargreaves' mistakes in comparison to Carrick's?

"Look look he's done it too Sir"

The point is that those over-praising Carrick (as opposed to giving him his due) are the same ones who desperately nit-pick any aspect of Hargreaves' play to say he is crap - if they did the same to Carrick then they should be much less positive about MC's performances.

However, that would require them to be conssitent and objective in their views - instead, most show evidence of double standards.

This suggests their ratings of both Carrick and Hargreaves are probably not not really founded on reality - exactly what 'makes up' those ratings I will let everyone judge for themselves.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 15:52

I can't be bothered to go back through the thread, what are we debating now ?

Feed Me · 26th March 2008, 15:53

You fucking fuck-wits. Don't turn this into a fucking Hargreaves v Carrick thread!

Fucking spackers - give it a rest.

Feedingseagulls · 26th March 2008, 16:04

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

You fucking fuck-wits. Don't turn this into a fucking Hargreaves v Carrick thread!

Fucking spackers - give it a rest.

Ok then - let's translate it to a variant of standard Cafe-speak.

People rating Carrick as our 'number 1' midfielder are talking crap.

He makes loads of mistakes that his supporters reckon make a player a complete muppet.

So either Carrick is crap, or his supporters are crap, or they are talking crap. (Probably more than one of these 3 claims are true.)

Feed Me · 26th March 2008, 16:06

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Originally Posted by Feedingseagulls

Ok then - let's translate it to a variant of standard Cafe-speak.

People rating Carrick as our 'number 1' midfielder are talking crap.

He makes loads of mistakes that his supporters reckon make a player a complete muppet.

So either Carrick is crap, or his supporters are crap, or they are talking crap. (Probably more than one of these 3 claims are true.)

Fine. You are entitled to your opinion.

But please, we have had 70 pages of this fucking drivel elsewhere. Kindly take your Carrick-Hargreaves debate and fuck off.

The fact that Hargreaves did not feature in such a massive match (Liverpool) may suggest that the debate has already been resolved by SAF.

Feedingseagulls · 26th March 2008, 16:07

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

I can't be bothered to go back through the thread, what are we debating now ?

Whether Carrick is our no. 1 midfielder or just good, sometimes very good, but subject to mistakes and poor performances - all in all not making him no. 1.

Suedesi · 26th March 2008, 16:20

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

He's not a centre mid.

Nether is Tevez a winger.

Your formation is too narrow, 3 Center mids, Ronaldo who's drifting in the middle and Tevez who's a fwd, it sounds like Chelski ffs.
--------Saha
Nani - Rooney - Ronaldo
-----Carrick - Scholes
Evra - Rio - Vidic - Brown
--------VDS
is probably our best lineup.

Scholesy · 26th March 2008, 16:25

Scholes>Carrick>Anderson>Hargreaves>Fletch

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 26th March 2008, 16:25

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

Fine. You are entitled to your opinion.

But please, we have had 70 pages of this fucking drivel elsewhere. Kindly take your Carrick-Hargreaves debate and fuck off.

The fact that Hargreaves did not feature in such a massive match (Liverpool) may suggest that the debate has already been resolved by SAF.

FFS You shut up with those petty jabs at Hargreaves. We don't need them in this thread! We all know Carrick missed the first leg of Liverpool vs United. Which had no bearing on his qualtiy as a player or how SAF viewed him. So give it a bloody rest! This trhead is about Carrick. Not Hargreaves or any other players... So if you want that vs debate you know where to take it...

Feed Me · 26th March 2008, 16:26

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

FFS You shut up with those petty jabs at Hargreaves. We don't need them in this thread! We all know Carrick missed the first leg of Liverpool vs United. Which had no bearing on his qualtiy as a player or how SAF viewed him. So give it a bloody rest! This trhead is about Carrick. Not Hargreaves or any other players... So if you want that vs debate you know where to take it...

I know this thread is about Carrick - I fucking created it.
I never bought Hargreaves into this thread. Some other fucker did and I merely reacted by telling them to fuck off.

Feedingseagulls · 26th March 2008, 16:29

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

Fine. You are entitled to your opinion.

But please, we have had 70 pages of this fucking drivel elsewhere. Kindly take your Carrick-Hargreaves debate and fuck off.

The fact that Hargreaves did not feature in such a massive match (Liverpool) may suggest that the debate has already been resolved by SAF.

Hence the entire absence of the word 'Hargreaves' in the post on which you commented.

Most of the 'drivel' came because people either refused to argue using evidence, refused to admit their evidence was crap, or decided to embark on wind-ups/insults.

Let's try to keep that out of this thread shall we?

Feed Me · 26th March 2008, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Feedingseagulls

Hence the entire absence of the word 'Hargreaves' in the post on which you commented.

Most of the 'drivel' came because people either refused to argue using evidence, refused to admit their evidence was crap, or decided to embark on wind-ups/insults.

Let's try to keep that out of this thread shall we?

You were debating Hargreaves. Not me.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 26th March 2008, 16:32

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

I know this thread is about Carrick - I fucking created it.
I never bought Hargreaves into this thread. Some other fucker did and I merely reacted by telling them to fuck off.

Good. So stick to that . Don't add fuel to the fire by getting drawn into jibes on that issue. It's ragging enough in another thread. Where it should stay.

Feedingseagulls · 26th March 2008, 16:37

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

I know this thread is about Carrick - I fucking created it.
I never bought Hargreaves into this thread. Some other fucker did and I merely reacted by telling them to fuck off.

You created a thread in praise of Carrick after a performance that included a potentially major 'mistake' - that's if you believe the way in which such behaviour was characterised as a serious mistake by pro-Carrick posters elsewhere.*

If you were never guilty of such an accusation then good for you.

Carrick's tactics at that moment were something I remembered - they were consistent with those of another midfielder - so perhaps this was either a 'good' tactic, or one advised by our coaching staff.

That would mean Carrick's decisions were good - but it would also mean people criticsing another player for doing the same, whilst believing Carrick was right, would be talking... (?)

Alternatively, it was not a good decision - which means rating him so highly (given the other mistakes) is ... (?)

It's up to you what word fills the blanks.

* I particularly noticed Carrick's 'error' because of its similarity with something that had been frequently criticised by his own supporters.

Feedingseagulls · 26th March 2008, 16:38

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

You were debating Hargreaves. Not me.

But when asked to do so, I rephrased the points to make it entirely about how people were applying 'standards' to Carrick.

Go back and look!

Wes · 26th March 2008, 16:49

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Originally Posted by Feedingseagulls

But when asked to do so, I rephrased the points to make it entirely about how people were applying 'standards' to Carrick.

Go back and look!

Regardless, Hargreaves's name shouldn't be in this thread. I've merely put him into that < sentence to tell you exactly that.

No more, FeedingSeaguls, no fucking more.

Feedingseagulls · 26th March 2008, 16:56

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Originally Posted by WesBrownIsAGod

Regardless, Hargreaves's name shouldn't be in this thread. I've merely put him into that < sentence to tell you exactly that.

No more, FeedingSeaguls, no fucking more.

So look at my last 4 posts - only one mention - and that when quoting another poster.

If people wanting to praise Carrick are happy to tell us (without specific reference to another midfielder perhaps) whether Carrick was right to let Gerrard go or not, and why, then I'd be happy.

They just need to be aware what that implies when they comment (or have commented) on other errors. Fair?

Wes · 26th March 2008, 17:01

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Originally Posted by Feedingseagulls

So look at my last 4 posts - only one mention - and that when quoting another poster.

If people wanting to praise Carrick are happy to tell us (without specific reference to another midfielder perhaps) whether Carrick was right to let Gerrard go or not, and why, then I'd be happy.

They just need to be aware what that implies when they comment (or have commented) on other errors. Fair?

whatever, just don't mention the other lad. Comprende?

Mozza · 26th March 2008, 17:33

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Originally Posted by Feedingseagulls

OH started up in support of a Utd attack - about 15 yards in from the right & just over 1/2 way into the Arse half.

When the ball was given away Brown started running back inside OH - so the latter moved further towars the wing to cover the completely free Arse player advancing into that space. He successfully stopped that attacking pass but it ended up being moved into the middle & onto Fabregas about 20 yards from our penalty area - OH nearly got to him etc etc.

Or are we talking about completely different incidents?

Same incident, we are remembering it differently

Mozza · 26th March 2008, 17:34

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Originally Posted by Feedingseagulls

So look at my last 4 posts - only one mention - and that when quoting another poster.

If people wanting to praise Carrick are happy to tell us (without specific reference to another midfielder perhaps) whether Carrick was right to let Gerrard go or not, and why, then I'd be happy.

They just need to be aware what that implies when they comment (or have commented) on other errors. Fair?

He was right to let him go, he moved to support his fullback which any other midfielder would

Pogue Mahone · 26th March 2008, 17:36

Criticising any midfielder for failing to track a single run by an opposing player, over the course of 90 minutes, is pretty spastic, IMO.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 17:39

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Originally Posted by Feedingseagulls

Whether Carrick is our no. 1 midfielder or just good, sometimes very good, but subject to mistakes and poor performances - all in all not making him no. 1.

Scholes is our best, Carrick is our second best.

Carrick makes mistakes, and has poor performances, just like every other player.

I hope this helps.

Wes · 26th March 2008, 17:43

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Scholes is our best, Carrick is our second best.

Carrick makes mistakes, and has poor performances, just like every other player.

I hope this helps.

I just disagree with that. Carrick is a more complete player than Scholes, imho.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 17:44

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Originally Posted by Suedesi

Nether is Tevez a winger.

Your formation is too narrow, 3 Center mids, Ronaldo who's drifting in the middle and Tevez who's a fwd, it sounds like Chelski ffs.
--------Saha
Nani - Rooney - Ronaldo
-----Carrick - Scholes
Evra - Rio - Vidic - Brown
--------VDS
is probably our best lineup.

Tevez wouldn't expected to play as a winger. Ronaldo would have a free reign to go left, centre, right, wherever, same with Rooney and Tevez. They would interchange, swap positions. etc. Then with Evra and Brown (well mainly Evra) bombing down the wings, it's be a nightmare to defend against. Who marks whom, do you stick tight or drop off etc.

Sam#1 · 26th March 2008, 17:45

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Originally Posted by WesBrownIsAGod

I just disagree with that. Carrick is a more complete player than Scholes, imho.

So you'd say that Carrick is our best and Scholes our second best ?

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