Class fans.

simon_xazza

Right want to hear your views on this because I'm not entirely sure myself. What im wondering is are United fans in general a class set of fans when compared to others? I often here people on here call other fans classless but are we really superior? An if so why?

Obviously this forum is well run which keeps the majority of the idiots from posting things you might see on rawk but what about off the site.

I hear alot about rival fans taunting us with Munich jibes etc but as I havent been to Manchester in a while I dont get the feel of how our fans act.

Theirs the view City have classless fans when compared to us and if this is ture why? Obviously the fans are from the same City and pool of people so how can they really be any differnt? Could the proud history of the club reflect in the way our fans act or are we just the same?

Obviously Leeds of full of mutants and that explains why they are all idiots but I was wondering what people think?

manxmanc

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M13

Our fans aren't superior whatsoever, and this 'We're United, we have more class than that' is a complete myth. Seriously.

simon_xazza

Thats what I was wondering because red cafe seems to put across this idea and as I dont goto football games or interact with fans from the city anymore I'm not sure.

Mockney

We do have exceedingly good looking fans though

VoetbalWizard

red cafe is a bit 'middle class' if you will. It isn't the best reflection of the general match going (away crowd especially) set.

manxmanc

Thats because I wasn't there on Sunday....

Hang on.. Elvis was.... you lie!

M13

I've been trying to think of a proper way of saying this:

Which is correct. The people that tend to get involved in the 'classless' aspects of our support don't post on RedCafe. It's a bit cushy, a lot of things that go on don't get so much exposure on here.

esmufc12

This is extremely harsh, though next to M13 any man would look less appealing.

M13

FFS!

manxmanc

Having never met M13, I decline to comment...

Mockney

He is an extremely attractive man. I blushed the first time I met him.

esmufc12

You kept looking at his crotch too.

M13

I'm kind of in an embarrassing predicament where I don't really know what to say anymore... It's quite uncomfortable, actually

Mockney

There was a giant eagle in his trousers...ON!..On his trousers, on his trousers

Rood

Speak for yourself

But of course we do have our fair share of twats as well - although I reckon we have a lower ratio than some of the real classless clubs

I would say that Red Cafe is as good a reflection of the general match going set as any other forum I have seen - however probably not the away crowd as that is a more 'hardcore' type of fan

there has been quite a change in the make up of our crowds over the years - would have been very different 10 or 20 years ago

RedRichio

We've got a large contingent of scumbags but I doubt it's more as a ratio of total fanbase than anyone else. More fans = more twats.

77

I've always felt (we) Reds are a cut above the rest. There's a style about the 'club' and the fans. I love that banner 'Not Arrogant, Just Better'

Boothy

Check the Sunderland match report on the other place manxy, you'll soon agree, M13 is one fine specimen of a man

Peasplease

Generally the more successful the club is are the more annoying the fans are.

I can't speak for United fans over in the UK, but theres no way any non United fans considers United fans as "classy" or "a cut above the rest" here in Melbourne.

Comparing forums though, you'd come to the conclusion United fans are quite classy (judging by Redcafe.net), but I'd have that down to the promotional system more than anything else.

rednev

Don't we consistently top the away-day arrest league?

I know we probably take more to aways than anybody else, but still...

Inigo Montoya

Obviously? " they are allidiots" you've met them all have you?

Being morons on occasion is the exclusive preserve of other clubs...we have many and there are Utd fans I would cross the road to avoid

fredthered

Utter bollocks

Talking Vulture

We're the best behaved supporters in the land WHEN WE WIN
We're a right bunch of bastards WHEN WE LOSE

In a nutshell, we're a set of cunts. Wouldn't have it any other way.

Rood

So which is better then?

and how do you even know what type of person is at OT nowadays since you havent been for years? Things change Fred, it isnt the 80s or even 90s anymore

fredthered

Those that have used forums for years know which one represent the more hardcore supporters, and which appeal to the more "non matchgoing fans"

Redcafe has always been the forum that is more representative of those that dont tend to go to matches and follow United via other sources.

And I really dont think that the people that go inside OT are that much different from what they were 5 years ago, when I stopped going.

I am not suggesting one is better than the other. Each forum serves a different clientele, I am just saying that the Caf is not the forum that offers the closest insight into matchgoing reds. Theres other forums that do that far better than the Caf.

The caf however shows a better representation of the fans that watch United from overseas or via other sources in the UK.

Rood

Yes but my comment wasnt about which represents the 'more hardcore' supporters (if you read my whole post then you would see that i already said the Caf isnt representative of our away support for example) - it was about representing the 'general matchgoing' supporter and like it nor not, we now have plenty of daytrippers, execs, foreign fans etc who come to games at OT.

It is clear that there are more nonmatchgoers than matchgoers on here but that was not what i was talking about.

fredthered

I know what you mean, but I still dont think that the caf represents the average season ticket holder who make up the large majority of matchday support.

You are right, there are lots of what you call "day trippers, execs and foreign fans" but they are not the majority, in fact quite the opposite. Its a myth to suggest that large proportions of fans inside OT are not ST holders. The majority will be there every home game.

On the one extreme you have sites like Red Issue which are portrayed as the more "hardcore" support, the ones who have been going for years and years on end, but you also have things like the Rednews forum which is less militant, but still has a large proportion of ST holders as members.

The Caf serves a market, and does it very well, but truthfully, it doesnt represent the average fan who is stood inside OT on a matchday. Far from it.

Utd heap

Fred has just nailed it.

fergieisold

WUM

fredthered

He's right though.

There are some real cunts following United, and they show their true colours when things like April 15th come around and they are there giving it the "justice for the 39" and "fuck them they deserved it" bullshit

Anyone who uses Hillsborough as a dig against the scousers ( even if they are cunts ) is lowlife scum who are a disgrace to our club.

Rood

Fred I dont disagree with much of what you say here but again you are this time talking about a specific portion of our support (the 'average season ticket holder') whereas I am talking about the bigger picture of representing all types of fans who goto OT nowadays.

I never said that large portions are not ST holders or that the majority are daytrippers etc so please dont put words in my mouth - my point was just that there are many different types of fan at a standard game at OT nowdays and that the Caf covers as many as any other forum I have seen.
As you note, some other forums have a very specific type of fan on them and often do not cover the large range of opinions that you will find on here.

I find that the Caf tends to represent a full range of opinions - from the hardcore militant boycotter to those who think our financial situation is not so bad to those who are apathetic to the business side of things - so you get to hear many different points of view.

M13

You personally might think it's a bit rich coming from me, but I really don't think that's true.

When I say that people should boycott, it gets a positive response (agreement) from a few and negative from a few others. Mostly, people just ignore it because it doesn't affect them.

I wouldn't say that the caf is representative of my view of things; I'd go as far to say that whenever I do say my opinion, however 'extreme', I already know I'm fighting a losing battle. Either because it'll get ignored by people that don't care, or it'll be called out as 'too extreme'.

However, if I was to post my view on RI, it'd blend in and generally be approved. It'd actually probably be ignored because it's the norm and doesn't stand out. RI is representative of my view on a lot of things, but then isn't representative of a lot of posters from here.

Talking Vulture

Red Issue is fucked since mobboss went mental. I can't remember the last time I posted on there.

fredthered

I stopped the moment they made that Jools73 a moderator.

Shes one seriously fucked up headcase.

Talking Vulture

Yep, another one that hammered the nail in the RI coffin. Some good lads on there and I'm still mates with them, but the quality of posters on there is 90%-10% shit/good.

fredthered

Very true. Had some great days out at away games with RI posters and had some classic threads that you just wouldnt get on any other forum.

The RORO thread was just classical.. Pure genius. Had journalists and United fans around the world scrambling to find out, what was in fact, a complete load of bollocks.

As for MobBoss he will forever live in my memory for his classic "MASSIVE" phone call to the radio station as MR Bertie McGoo, and booking the conference suite at Maine Road to celebrate a 25th anniversary... What City hadnt clocked onto was the fact it was the 25th anniversary of when they last picked up a trophy

fadas

That makes one of us.

That banner is embarrassing and the twat that carries it about is a complete weapon imo.

Mockney

I think the point he was trying to get at was that it's a more accurate cross section of the whole ground. When you stand in OT is everyone around you of the same opinion as you? Weren't you told to fucking sit down the other day? and don't you hate people in front of you?

I think that's the point he was trying to make. Whether RI is a better representative of your view isn't his point. If you took the opinions of all 76k at the ground on any given day and avereraged out the mean, you'd get closer to a Red Caf poster than an RI poster is his point....I don't think you would personally, not by that much at any rate... but pretending all match goers are alike and just like on the more hardcore boards is just as wide of the mark. There's always some in the stands who don't agree with G&G or are apathetic wherever you sit.

But there are undoubtably less match goers than non match goers on here. Probably by far.

fredthered

Which is what I was trying to say..

Compared to the other United forums, there are less matchgoing reds than you would find on the others, and thus less representative of the type of fan that goes to OT on a regular basis.