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30th January 2012, 11:31
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The contumelious treatment of one Dimitar Berbatov
Arguably one of the very few mistakes Sir Alex Ferguson has made during his Illustrious and unparalleled coaching career. The mishandling of Berbatov has in my humble opinion already cost us dearly and from the way it looks will continue to cost us.
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30th January 2012, 11:35
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What an absolute heap of crap. If Rooney is injured I think an extra man in midfield is a better option in big games than Berbatov as a second striker. Berbatov is a luxury we have to come in and score goals against weaker teams but agsint top teams the battles are won in midfield and with Berbatov in the team we tend to get exposed to much and over run in midfield.
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30th January 2012, 11:37
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30th January 2012, 11:38
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I think it’s Fergies lack of faith for Berbatov in big games. I am not his biggest fan and he does frustrate me, that when at certain times he has been needed he has failed to turn up.
Do I think he has been poorly treated? No I don’t think any PL footballer is poorly treated. But I do believe Fergie made a mistake in dropping his top scorer from the Champions League Final. Any player would feel awful in that situation and in that respect Fergie has handled him poorly |
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30th January 2012, 11:46
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30th January 2012, 11:50
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30th January 2012, 11:53
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30th January 2012, 11:56
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1) Does he have the full trust of the manager in big games? 2) Can he be utilised well in the current first team system? 3) Does he really have a big game presence? |
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30th January 2012, 11:56
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30th January 2012, 11:56
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30th January 2012, 11:57
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If anything SAF values him highly.
Berbatov can be likened to a classic car which is occasionally taken for spin a few times a year. |
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30th January 2012, 11:59
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30th January 2012, 12:03
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He obviously isn't good enough to play up top on his own in the big games otherwise he would. I don't think the gaffer personally trusts him. There's been a few not so successful signings but Fergie won't let them go and he will get as much as he can for all they're worth to keep a fresh squad. |
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30th January 2012, 12:06
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Despite last season, signing Berbatov will go down as a mistake in Ferguson's career. Never could see him starting regularly for us without changing our system and he isn't a good enough player to do that.
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30th January 2012, 12:07
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The mistake was buying him, at that price. But who knew? Sometimes these things just don't work out. A bit like Veron didn't. There's no particular reason - though in Berba's case he may just not have the right character to flourish at United, not quite enough self-belief. I'm not sure whether MikeUpNorth would classify him as a 'winner'.
Amazing player though. I do feel sorry for him... he seems so sad 
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30th January 2012, 12:08
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30th January 2012, 12:12
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If anything Ferguson has been patient in his handling of Berbatov. Most teams would have got rid after the 2nd poor season. Look at Torres and he has only been at Chelsea for a year. |
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30th January 2012, 12:19
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30th January 2012, 12:24
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No seriously I firmly believe in what I say. If Berbatov had been signed by Chelsea or City or any other similar club and given similar performances he would have been long gone by now. So you can argue that Fergie has been patient by sticking by him. Also worth noting if he was to leave it wouldn't be for a starting place at rival club. He wouldn't make the first XI anywhere else in my view without stepping down so again Fergie isn't treating him unjustly. Berbatov is just being overrated in your eyes. Strange you preach such patience on an experienced player who has been 3 and a half years yet lack this on a youngster who has been in the country less than 6 months. |
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30th January 2012, 12:27
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Quite simply, it's the fact that he's too good a player to be warming our bench. He deserves to start most games, it's just not possible here with the rise of young starlets. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go back to Spurs, where he would be the main man up front.
Unfortunate for him, but he came with overly large expectations due to the price tag and that's always been his burden. |
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30th January 2012, 12:33
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Against the big teams, rooney plays as a virtual 3rd CM. Berba cannot do that. Which is why he didnt play even when rooney was missing vs pool. He'l definitely start against stoke if rooney is unfit. you can out good money on that.
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30th January 2012, 12:38
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Funny that people like you call a guy "overrated" who just last season SCORED THE MOST GOALS OF ANY PLAYER IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE. For that alone I cannot rate Berbatov highly enough. |
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30th January 2012, 12:41
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Fergie's players work their bollox off, even the best like Cantona and Scholes |
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30th January 2012, 12:43
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I consider Berbatov overrated by you but not in general by Ferguson who I think is looking beyond mere statistics. As for Ferguson's mismanagement, would Berbatov have been treated much differently at another big named club? Well yes, he would have been dumped out of the club back to Spurs or Leverkusen a long time ago. So again arguably Ferguson hasn't mismanaged him but stuck by faithfully. |
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30th January 2012, 12:48
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Gramatically? I believe you mean contextually.
You can split hairs as much you want, Berbatov was still the top scorer of the league last year - a very important fact you desperately try to sell short here. |
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30th January 2012, 12:53
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What is relevant though is that he lost his place in the line up back in February last year and doesn't look anywhere near barring the odd game here and there of breaking back in. |
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30th January 2012, 13:02
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OP is right to an extent, in particular this weekend I reckon he would've been a better option than Welbeck for all his quality. He has the best touch and hold play in our squad, should've started or at least come on before an off form Chicharito.
Hope he stays a while yet but when he leaves there will be a lot of 'what ifs' surrounding Berba and his remarkable talent. Not for the first time Ferguson has held a top quality striker back, reigned him in from going onto great individual achievements at a smaller club and is able to do so because of United's stature and their desire to play here. We are super lucky that he is still happy to stay here this season to be honest. |
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30th January 2012, 13:05
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Berbatov's omissions have always been more to do with tactics than his quality. The man oozes natural skill and I appreciate watching that, it's a shame he's never fitted in with our style of play but to lazily claim his lack of playing time must make him shit is ridiculous.
Wouldn't get into the starting 11 of other big clubs? Fuck me sideways |
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ignore everything else then.
