Corners

Solius

So how many goals are we going to get from corners next season now Young is here? I'm going for 38.

In seriousness, do we expect that to improve now? Will he be taking them do you reckon? Is it the delivery or our crap movement?

botond

is he taking them better than giggs ? valencia ?

Snow

The only thing you need to do is aim where Vidic is so yes, I think we'll score a few more.

Eirik Raude

He should take them. Our delivery the last couple of seasons has been awful most of the time. With Young swinging them in, we should be able to score at least 1 more goal from corners this season.

SharkyMcShark

Delivery is only half the story of scoring from a corner

letranger0

Soccer By The Numbers: Why the Goal Value of Corners Is (Almost) Nil: Evidence From the EPL

ricky-romeo

i'm going for 13 goals.

Minkaro

Psh, what kind of stupid thread is this?

Young -> Smalling -> Goal. Smalling is going to score 40 goals in the PL alone.

I may be joking. Maybe.

decorativeed

Nani's weak area is his corner taking, so Young coming should help. It doesn't change the fact that since Ronaldo left we only really have Vidic who attacks a ball in the air with his head from decent corners. We're a team mainly of short arses and the taller ones can't head the ball particularly well. Fletcher's generally good for a couple of headers a season, so is Berbatov, Hernandez in general play, but he's generally tightly marked on set pieces, but Rooney isn't given much space in the box when we have a corner. We also don't have the option of playing the ball out to Scholes on the edge of the box any longer.

Players which I can't recall ever doing anything with their head: Nani, Anderson, Valencia, Carrick, the twins, Evra, Evans.

SharkyMcShark

Bayern would disagree

charlenefan

Nani was great at taking corners in his first season, I reckon it's something they just dont work on enough in training thus it'll probably stay the same even if Young has previous at taking a good one

Anyway our only real threat at corners is Vidic and his goal scoring has gone

06/07 - 4
07/08 - 1
08/09 - 7
09/10 - 1
10/11 - 5

So he's going to have another shit season next year

vuc

Pretty much this. If Richard Dunne and Thomas Vermaelan were scoring all those goals from corners than Vidic + Young's delivery should ensure more goals.

Cling Bak

Unquestionably.

Baby Faced Assassin

Corners

Solius

Corner Corner Corner Corner Corner Chameleon.

Baby Faced Assassin

Oh alright, lets discuss here.

McGrathsipan

it is , but with a shite delivery you have no chance of scoring.
If the delivery is excellent then your chance of scoring must increase greatly.

Some of Uniteds corners over the last season or 2 were nothing short of awful. If the delivery of a dead ball from a corner is improved then we can be more dangerous in that particular set piece. We have good "in the air " players in the team.

I cant honestly say I remember Young takling a corner but hopefully he has a decent peg on him to be whipping in a few testing crosses.

Solius

A lot of the time last season we didn't even beat the first man, or played it short.

VoetbalWizard

corners are overrated.

barca play them short and still manage to be effective.

Snow

We're not Barca. They play short because they usually don't score from corners. They are better a passing it short than crossing.

You're saying crossing is overrated as well because Barca don't do it much?

Eightball

Not really. When you win as many of them as we do if you can be genuinely threatening from them they could be hugely beneficial.

What Barcelona do in a certain situation is not the be all and end all.

Hitchcocker

They come and go, they come and gooooo-oh-oh.

MPTutd

Maybe we should sell Rooney, Hernandez, Valencia, Nani, Giggs and Carrick and go and buy some players who are effective at corners.

We are Manchester United, not Stoke City.

Solius

So it's too much to want us to sometimes take advantage of one of the 10 corners we get a game?

Hitchcocker

Remind me how many corners we got against Barca?

Coca Cola

It's not like it's impossible to play good football and also be good at set pieces, one doesn't take away from the other.


I don't think anybody's saying United should rely on set pieces to win titles, but if they can get you 5 - 10 extra goals each season and those goals get you some extra points, why not take advantage of that? Being rubbish at corners because it's not particularly fashionable to score from corners is just crazy.

Solius

Oh I'm sorry, are we playing 38 games against Barca next season then?

Sarni

Should we cut off an inch off Rooney's legs and head, and do the same with the rest of our team to make them all short because all Barcelona players are short and height doesn't matter?

We shouldn't try to emulate Barcelona, if we can have a bonus of effective corners we will be far more likely to beat them than we are now. Mourinho's Chelsea was particularly good at set pieces from what I remember, so they managed to get by even when things weren't going their way.

Aporkalypse

It does seem that way at the moment.

Twigginater

Really really embarrassing post.

I read somewhere that the accuracy needed for a successful corner is so hard, and that's why I imagine every top team think they're shit at corners. To be able to clear the first head and yet deliver it low enough to put in a dangerous ball is very very hard. Won't expect too much next year.

Sylar

Knowing our luck, most of our corners will be won whilst Young is off the pitch. The delivery will defo improve. You can see Young works on them.

Of course anything is better than hitting the first man. In fact I think we were finding new ways to fcuk up all our set pieces last season.

peterstorey

That's bollocks -watch most Sunday league teams and they've got a bloke who can hit a dipping corner at speed.

MikeUpNorth

Even I can do it.

mustaine

Agreed, so many of our corners were painful to watch... hopefully Young will improve us.

Now get Sneijder, they can take turns

Cutch

Nah, i cant be having that. These guys are professional footballers, training and practising pretty much every day of the week. Dont tell me there shouldnt be one guy in that team that cant swing a corner in without hitting the first fucking man repeatedly and land it in the vicinity of any one of the half dozen that should be attacking it.

I think Young will at least improve the delivery but our movement also has to improve. No one seems to make decoy runs and its just all so static. Ronaldos runs were fantastic in bringing markers out, and creating space for Vidic to run into (not to mention the ones he got on the end of himself). No-one seems to do it since he left.

LARulz

Come on, we don't play them every week so why not make the most of our corners in other games.

We usually get so many of them and we hardly ever take advantage of them, now we have a corner taker we should utilize it and play to our strength.

PJ

Solius' powers of persuasion are legendary!

If we're doing a sweepstake though, I'll say 18

PJ

You're being ironic, right?

The White Pele

Was it West Ham away where we had something like 10 corners in the first half?

That was crazy how we went in 2-0 down.

peterstorey

It's not very hard, you've got a dead ball and no one kicking you up the arse.