Danny Welbeck

Annihilate Now! · 27th February 2012, 12:16

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Originally Posted by unitedbhoy

Nah, he had 2 or 3 other top drawer chances in the last 10 minutes which he panicked with.

No he didn't... stop exaggerating.

Apart from the header, he had the one chance where the keeper was on top of him before he could cleanly get his shot away, which he was off balance for... it was a chance, but not exactly "top drawer" in my opinion.

That was in fact his only attempt at goal apart from the header, so that's 1 other chance...

I know some people are harsh on our players at the best of times, but fuck me, it's a bit ridiculous to crticise them for things they haven't even done.

Pogue Mahone · 27th February 2012, 12:19

You're right that there were only two chances in the last 10 minutes.

He had a couple more in total though. One of them ended in a brilliant save, the other was cleared off the line.

FlawlessThaw · 27th February 2012, 13:26

He just turned 21 back in November..easy to forget that given he has been around the fringes for a while. It's one of the reasons why people are perhaps more forgiving towards him than say Rooney or Berbatov.

KM · 27th February 2012, 14:11

Ok just saw the MoTD highlights, and while they aren't a great indicator of the match. I would say those who are saying Welbeck's finishing was poor are being incredibly harsh on him.

From the MoTD highlights

16th minute, very good save by Ruddy, not sure what Welbeck could've done more
64th minute, chipped shot over Ruddy, saved off the line by the Norwich player.
That Header was ofcourse awful and should've scored, no doubt about that.
89th Minute, Ruddy again did well IMO, quick off the line and made himself big so that Danny's angle wasn't that great and the norwich defender was in a very good position to make a goal line clearance anyway.

I thought Hernandez and Giggsy squandered fairly easy chances tbh.

RyanGoggs · 27th February 2012, 14:20

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Originally Posted by KM

Ok just saw the MoTD highlights, and while they aren't a great indicator of the match. I would say those who are saying Welbeck's finishing was poor are being incredibly harsh on him.

From the MoTD highlights

16th minute, very good save by Ruddy, not sure what Welbeck could've done more
64th minute, chipped shot over Ruddy, saved off the line by the Norwich player.
That Header was ofcourse awful and should've scored, no doubt about that.
89th Minute, Ruddy again did well IMO, quick off the line and made himself big so that Danny's angle wasn't that great and the norwich defender was in a very good position to make a goal line clearance anyway.

I thought Hernandez and Giggsy squandered fairly easy chances tbh.

The header was really the only bad miss. Other than that it was really a case of good defending and goalkeeping. The fact that he is getting the chances is the important thing here, on another day he could have had his first hat trick but it just wasn't to be.

I think he plays better as the strikers leading the line, which obviously he couldn't do yesterday as Rooney was out. Fantastic prospect.

I'm always right · 27th February 2012, 14:24

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Originally Posted by KM

64th minute, chipped shot over Ruddy, saved off the line by the Norwich player.

I thought he made a mess of that tbh, from that position he really should've scored, the "saved off the line" part makes no difference.

He was brilliant yesterday though, but he should've had his name on the scoresheet at least once.

Nathan · 27th February 2012, 14:26

It was an off day for wellbeck, he made some good runs and was unlucky that the goalkeeper blocked him.

KM · 27th February 2012, 14:26

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Originally Posted by Guybrush Threepwood

I thought he made a mess of that tbh, from that position he really should've scored, the "saved off the line" part makes no difference.

He was brilliant yesterday though, but he should've had his name on the scoresheet at least once.

What could he could've done from that situation?
He tried to chip the goalkeeper, which as far I think was pretty much the only option for him and the defender was in very good option.

I'm always right · 27th February 2012, 15:02

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Originally Posted by KM

What could he could've done from that situation?
He tried to chip the goalkeeper, which as far I think was pretty much the only option for him and the defender was in very good option.

I personaly thought he should've put his foot through a volley.

Pogue Mahone · 27th February 2012, 15:14

I'm inclined to agree. He under-cooked the chip an' all.

Great movement to get in that position though.

I'm always right · 27th February 2012, 15:18

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

I'm inclined to agree. He under-cooked the chip an' all.

Great movement to get in that position though.

Yeah definitely, such a brilliant footballer already. I know you've always rated him highly Pogue but I'm personally very surprised as to just how good he is.

amolbhatia100 · 27th February 2012, 15:26

Agree with the above assessments as well. It was always going to be saved. He could actually have squared it for a simply tap in for Nani but the latter only made his run at the very last moment so there was no way Welbeck could have seen it.

NewDawnFades · 28th February 2012, 21:17

Great insight from Welbz

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I don't even

Mick1991 · 28th February 2012, 21:19

Sexual innuendo minefield.

RyanGoggs · 29th February 2012, 21:36

Worked himself into the ground today. Great contribution especially as he had almost no service

Walrus · 29th February 2012, 21:40

Annoys me because people will probably say he had a poor game, but as said, he had no service and was playing a lone striker role with an out of form young (or shite gerrard) behind him. Worked hard and fought well, good performance in my eyes, the problem was some of the players behind him.

ArmchairCritic · 29th February 2012, 21:43

Everyone hypes up Terry and Parker as lionhearts when they play for England but neither of them have the work rate of Welbeck, the lad bust a gut out there. The was one moment when he was pressing high and Gerrard was just standing there and Welbeck was gesturing for him to come and help him press. England need more players like Welbeck, he's going to absolutely terrific in a few years.

AttackingFlair · 29th February 2012, 21:55

He did well considering Gerrard and Young were awful. When Rooney is back, he should get more joy.

evra · 29th February 2012, 22:09

Gerrard is such a wasteful passer of the ball.

Walrus · 29th February 2012, 22:10

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Originally Posted by AttackingFlair

He did well considering Gerrard and Young were awful. When Rooney is back, he should get more joy.

This.

Them playing together for club will help the synergy massively too of course, but its hard to overstate how shite Gerrard and Young were (despite the latter scoring).

RyanGoggs · 29th February 2012, 22:12

Would love to see Rooney Welbeck and Sturridge together.

Brwned · 29th February 2012, 22:16

Thought it said it all when he was arguably the best passer on the pitch, certainly the only one who looked to open up the game with any passing moves. Embarrassing really.

ArmchairCritic · 29th February 2012, 22:19

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Originally Posted by Brwned

Thought it said it all when he was arguably the best passer on the pitch, certainly the only one who looked to open up the game with any passing moves. Embarrassing really.

Very, there was one point when he dropped back to the right back area and played a smart little pass to his right to a CM in a difficult position, then a few seconds later Gerrard tries to play a ridiculous Hollywood pass. Welbeck was trying hard to link up with everyone but the England players looked a bit confused by the concept of short, sharp passing.

Walrus · 29th February 2012, 22:25

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Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

Very, there was one point when he dropped back to the right back area and played a smart little pass to his right to a CM in a difficult position, then a few seconds later Gerrard tries to play a ridiculous Hollywood pass. Welbeck was trying hard to link up with everyone but the England players looked a bit confused by the concept of short, sharp passing.

Get Rooney and Cleverley in there and hell, move Jones into CM beside him, and let the good times roll.

ArmchairCritic · 29th February 2012, 22:26

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Originally Posted by Walrus

Get Rooney and Cleverley in there and hell, move Jones into CM beside him, and let the good times roll.

And Wilshere

But this is England, good times will never roll.

beller2000 · 29th February 2012, 22:43

for want of a better phrase 'if he grows some balls' he'll score a load more goals. seems to be afraid of being clattered. stick the head in son! i like Danny but wish he would just be a bit more fearless/ruthless cos he could be fucking devasting!

Walrus · 29th February 2012, 22:47

I think Danny might still end up bulking up a little, but you are right beller, he could occassionally look to get a little more stuck in.
Rather that than him getting himself injured though.

Antisocial · 29th February 2012, 23:01

Gerrard didn't mesh with him at all well whilst he was on, maybe if he wasn't ruining decent passing moves with unnecessary long-balls the partnership could've had a chance.

I was happy when Welbeck was finally subbed for United-reasons, but I'd have liked to see him and Campbell have some time together, certainly as England were forced to attack at that stage.

Walrus · 29th February 2012, 23:06

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Originally Posted by Antisocial

Gerrard didn't mesh with him at all well whilst he was on, maybe if he wasn't ruining decent passing moves with unnecessary long-balls the partnership could've had a chance.

I was happy when Welbeck was finally subbed for United-reasons, but I'd have liked to see him and Campbell have some time together, certainly as England were forced to attack at that stage.

Aye, it was a shame that it was only in the final periods of the game that England really got an attacking impetus going and started giving the striker(s) some chances, Welbeck was starved for service, put in an immense shift but will no doubt get hammered by the papers and various fans because he was unable to do his job along with doing the job of the #10 and CM as well.

Pexbo · 29th February 2012, 23:20

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Originally Posted by Antisocial

Gerrard didn't mesh with him at all well whilst he was on, maybe if he wasn't ruining decent passing moves with unnecessary long-balls the partnership could've had a chance.

I was happy when Welbeck was finally subbed for United-reasons, but I'd have liked to see him and Campbell have some time together, certainly as England were forced to attack at that stage.

Our Danny is used to playing with players like Cleverley who pass and move and link up with him. Gerrard is far to direct to gel with Welbeck, he prefers a striker ahead of him who'll work hard to pick up scraps.

FlawlessThaw · 29th February 2012, 23:44

The Sun have given him 5/10. Only Young (also scored 5/10) and Gerrard (4/10) didn't score higher than him. So according to them the likes of Barry, Parker etc all had a better game.

I don't think England will take with Welbeck

Orton · 11th March 2012, 15:58

He had a good game but another horrific miss for him today. Luckily it didn't mean anything in the end. Just needs to work alot harder infront of goal and compose himself more.

Kelvin · 11th March 2012, 15:59

fergie look concerned when taking him off, did he pick up some sort of injury I wonder?

Top · 11th March 2012, 15:59

He was brilliant again today. I can't wait for him and Cleverley to play together again.

Carl · 11th March 2012, 16:01

I thought he was brilliant today. Granted he fluffed an absolute sitter but he was at the heart of a lot of our best moves.

All hail Wellback.

EDIT: Not to mention he was playing on the wing...

Adam-Utd · 11th March 2012, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Orton

He had a good game but another horrific miss for him today. Luckily it didn't mean anything in the end. Just needs to work alot harder infront of goal and compose himself more.

To be fair it was hardly horrific, it was a very tight angle, on his weak foot and he was unbalanced.

I think we can forgive him for missing that one!

Apart from that he was outstanding today, he just glided passed the opposition and some of his touches / ball control was fantastic.

He sure is developing very nicely

ArmchairCritic · 11th March 2012, 16:01

I'm telling you when he gets that end product, shit's about to go the fuck down.

Godfather · 11th March 2012, 16:01

Good game. Incredible miss though.

Makki · 11th March 2012, 16:02

His passing around the edge of the box is immense.. Just needs to work on his end product and he'll be a world beater.

Orton · 11th March 2012, 16:02

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Originally Posted by Adam-Utd

To be fair it was hardly horrific, it was a very tight angle, on his weak foot and he was unbalanced.

I think we can forgive him for missing that one!

Apart from that he was outstanding today, he just glided passed the opposition and some of his touches / ball control was fantastic.

He sure is developing very nicely

It was horrific, the goal was wide open and he should have scored regardless. Like i said, good game from him though. Just needs to work on his finishing.

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27th February 2012, 12:19	#1282 (permalink)
Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "like a man in silk pyjamas shooting pigeons from a deckchair" Posts: 62,724	You're right that there were only two chances in the last 10 minutes. He had a couple more in total though. One of them ended in a brilliant save, the other was cleared off the line.

27th February 2012, 13:26	#1283 (permalink)
FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 21,128	He just turned 21 back in November..easy to forget that given he has been around the fringes for a while. It's one of the reasons why people are perhaps more forgiving towards him than say Rooney or Berbatov.

27th February 2012, 14:11	#1284 (permalink)
KM Coach Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 24,132	Ok just saw the MoTD highlights, and while they aren't a great indicator of the match. I would say those who are saying Welbeck's finishing was poor are being incredibly harsh on him. From the MoTD highlights 16th minute, very good save by Ruddy, not sure what Welbeck could've done more 64th minute, chipped shot over Ruddy, saved off the line by the Norwich player. That Header was ofcourse awful and should've scored, no doubt about that. 89th Minute, Ruddy again did well IMO, quick off the line and made himself big so that Danny's angle wasn't that great and the norwich defender was in a very good position to make a goal line clearance anyway. I thought Hernandez and Giggsy squandered fairly easy chances tbh.

27th February 2012, 14:26	#1287 (permalink)
Nathan Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: South Africa Posts: 849	It was an off day for wellbeck, he made some good runs and was unlucky that the goalkeeper blocked him.

27th February 2012, 15:14	#1290 (permalink)
Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "like a man in silk pyjamas shooting pigeons from a deckchair" Posts: 62,724	I'm inclined to agree. He under-cooked the chip an' all. Great movement to get in that position though.

27th February 2012, 15:26	#1292 (permalink)
amolbhatia100 Coach (But never a mod) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: india Posts: 32,939	Agree with the above assessments as well. It was always going to be saved. He could actually have squared it for a simply tap in for Nani but the latter only made his run at the very last moment so there was no way Welbeck could have seen it.

28th February 2012, 21:19	#1294 (permalink)
Mick1991 First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ireland Posts: 6,209	Sexual innuendo minefield.

29th February 2012, 21:36	#1295 (permalink)
RyanGoggs Insists on dating women in public places - for their own safety Join Date: May 2011 Location: The Land of Kernow Posts: 6,202	Worked himself into the ground today. Great contribution especially as he had almost no service

29th February 2012, 21:40	#1296 (permalink)
Walrus Oppressed White Male Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,575	Annoys me because people will probably say he had a poor game, but as said, he had no service and was playing a lone striker role with an out of form young (or shite gerrard) behind him. Worked hard and fought well, good performance in my eyes, the problem was some of the players behind him.

29th February 2012, 21:43	#1297 (permalink)
ArmchairCritic No Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves. Posts: 9,872	Everyone hypes up Terry and Parker as lionhearts when they play for England but neither of them have the work rate of Welbeck, the lad bust a gut out there. The was one moment when he was pressing high and Gerrard was just standing there and Welbeck was gesturing for him to come and help him press. England need more players like Welbeck, he's going to absolutely terrific in a few years.

29th February 2012, 21:55	#1298 (permalink)
AttackingFlair First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,840	He did well considering Gerrard and Young were awful. When Rooney is back, he should get more joy.

29th February 2012, 22:09	#1299 (permalink)
evra First Team Sub Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right. Posts: 9,108	Gerrard is such a wasteful passer of the ball.

29th February 2012, 22:12	#1301 (permalink)
RyanGoggs Insists on dating women in public places - for their own safety Join Date: May 2011 Location: The Land of Kernow Posts: 6,202	Would love to see Rooney Welbeck and Sturridge together.

29th February 2012, 22:16	#1302 (permalink)
Brwned Have you ever been in love before? Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 39,395	Thought it said it all when he was arguably the best passer on the pitch, certainly the only one who looked to open up the game with any passing moves. Embarrassing really.

29th February 2012, 22:43	#1306 (permalink)
beller2000 Youth Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belfast Posts: 462	for want of a better phrase 'if he grows some balls' he'll score a load more goals. seems to be afraid of being clattered. stick the head in son! i like Danny but wish he would just be a bit more fearless/ruthless cos he could be fucking devasting!

29th February 2012, 22:47	#1307 (permalink)
Walrus Oppressed White Male Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,575	I think Danny might still end up bulking up a little, but you are right beller, he could occassionally look to get a little more stuck in. Rather that than him getting himself injured though.

29th February 2012, 23:01	#1308 (permalink)
Antisocial Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 4,528	Gerrard didn't mesh with him at all well whilst he was on, maybe if he wasn't ruining decent passing moves with unnecessary long-balls the partnership could've had a chance. I was happy when Welbeck was finally subbed for United-reasons, but I'd have liked to see him and Campbell have some time together, certainly as England were forced to attack at that stage.

29th February 2012, 23:44	#1311 (permalink)
FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 21,128	The Sun have given him 5/10. Only Young (also scored 5/10) and Gerrard (4/10) didn't score higher than him. So according to them the likes of Barry, Parker etc all had a better game. I don't think England will take with Welbeck

11th March 2012, 15:58	#1312 (permalink)
Orton Ati-virus, keeps missing the n button Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: bonnie wee Scotland Posts: 12,367	He had a good game but another horrific miss for him today. Luckily it didn't mean anything in the end. Just needs to work alot harder infront of goal and compose himself more.

11th March 2012, 15:59	#1313 (permalink)
Kelvin Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 21,347	fergie look concerned when taking him off, did he pick up some sort of injury I wonder?

11th March 2012, 15:59	#1314 (permalink)
Top Admin Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 8,333	He was brilliant again today. I can't wait for him and Cleverley to play together again.

11th March 2012, 16:01	#1315 (permalink)
Carl Not Allowed A Hash Tag Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Formerly cw1984 Posts: 31,719	I thought he was brilliant today. Granted he fluffed an absolute sitter but he was at the heart of a lot of our best moves. All hail Wellback. EDIT: Not to mention he was playing on the wing...

11th March 2012, 16:01	#1317 (permalink)
ArmchairCritic No Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves. Posts: 9,872	I'm telling you when he gets that end product, shit's about to go the fuck down.

11th March 2012, 16:01	#1318 (permalink)
Godfather First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Austria Posts: 9,954	Good game. Incredible miss though.

11th March 2012, 16:02	#1319 (permalink)
Makki Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: freguson y u rest the ginger prawn hes most importntat playr n he cn done us much betr! Sell all them stinkiers like carick/cuberley/ and old man giggs shud go to retardment castle! Posts: 10,806	His passing around the edge of the box is immense.. Just needs to work on his end product and he'll be a world beater.