Dunphy (Author) admits that he lied in the book - Sky

Kevin · 17th August 2002, 22:12

DUNPHY CLAIMS KEANE BOOK IS LIES

Roy Keane's ghostwriter has claimed that he has written lies in the book on Manchester United captain.

Eamon Dunphy claims Keane did not make the controversial comments about his infamous challenge on Manchester City midfielder Alf Inge Haaland.

Both Haaland and Manchester City plan to sue both Keane and Manchester United over the shocking tackle made during a derby match at Old Trafford on April 21 2001.

The former Republic of Ireland captain received a red card for the challenge and in his book, `Keane - The Autobiography', he is quoted as admitting it was pre-meditated and provoked by an encounter between the two players in September 1997.

In that incident, Keane suffered cruciate ligament damage attempting to foul Haaland during a match with his former club Leeds United at Elland Road.

The Football Association have launched an investigation, but Eamon Dunphy has told The Observer that he has lied in the book.

"We thought it would be a nice football book, that it would be no problem," said Dunphy.

"But there is the passage about Haaland. I am as much responsible for that, as a writer, rather than Roy.

"There is artistic licence. I should take the rap. But he won't let me. Fair play to him. No whingeing. No screaming. No `I didn't say that; he made it up'.

"But I was paraphrasing. Still no whining. But we are talking about a man here."

However, Dunphy has claimed the manuscript was read and approved by Keane and United manager Sir Alex Ferguson before its serialisation in the News of The World and The Times.

Dunphy also suggests that Keane's vicious lunge on Haaland was no worse than the Liverpool midfielder Steven Gerrard's tackle on Arsenal's Patrick Vieira in last Sunday's Community Shield.

"What did Gerrard say? That he was trying to make an impression on the game.

That is the way the game is. And now they want to crucify Roy."

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permalink · 17th August 2002, 22:33

he's clutching at straws...

permalink · 17th August 2002, 22:40

I did initially think that those were the words of Dunphy as in , take that you c**t.

But Gerrards tackle was no-where near like that tackle

BTW he wasnt on the Premiership tonight , disappointed with that (Irish Verson)

permalink · 17th August 2002, 22:43

[quote]Originally posted by Rory Fitz:
[QB

BTW he wasnt on the Premiership tonight , disappointed with that (Irish Verson)[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

Who was not on the premiership?

permalink · 17th August 2002, 22:55

Dunphy, normally him and Johnny Giles provide the analysis, best in the business IMHO better than Hansen and Lawro and any combination of the ITV crew.

Dunphy is so up front, tells it like it is

- makes for good listening. During Liverpool's treble season he was calling our players 'journey men' that were workers with no talent - all this even though we beat Barcelona

He is a good laugh and Giles has a very good reading of the game

golden_blunder · 17th August 2002, 23:00

Dunphy says he was paraphrasing. Which to me means to listen to someone, then say it back to them so that you have a clear understanding of what is meant..
what im getting at here is that Keane must have said something along those lines, so there should be no hiding behind the 'artistic license' excuse.

permalink · 18th August 2002, 01:09

"Dunphy has claimed the manuscript was read and approved by Keane and United manager Sir Alex Ferguson before its serialisation in the News of The World and The Times."

christiepark_boy · 18th August 2002, 11:50

Dunphy, Keane, whoever....I still can't believe that United's lawyers did their job properly in reviewing this book. At best it is grief we don't need, and at worst it will result in Keane being suspended by the FA and missing key games.

Fergie says there is anothing wrong with the book, and it is a good read. So what ? We don't get premiership points for writing better books than the other teams. Focus guys, and get your act together where it matters.

permalink · 18th August 2002, 12:23

Dunphy makes his living as a professional controversalist and that shows all too clearly in the style used in the extracts I have read .

Weasel words from him now are too late the damage to Keanes and Uniteds reputation is done and means the club hierarchy, particularly Fergie, have to devote precious time to mending external bridges , rebuilding squad morale and not least addressing supporters concerns about the sorry episode , when there are pressing problems on the pitch.

We dont, most of us , live in a moral vacuum , sport is a diversion not a war , and while I can sympathise a little with the siege mentality of the banner shown by the Stretford end yesterday , Cantonas and Beckenhams cases were much more worthy of our loyal support .
I am having real difficulties coming to Keane`s defence , and wish that he had a) never started his ill considered book and b) if he had to do it had chosen a more astute ghostwriter more in tune with middle ground opinion.

The Red Machine · 18th August 2002, 12:58

The fact of the matter is, that every fan would like to defend his team's players. And often they are defensible. Cantona made a stupid mistake, but was provoked, Beckham made a stupid mistake, but was provoked and inexperienced.

Keane, however, wasn't even provoked. Let's not forget that his own injury was the result of a foul he committed on Haaland, not the other way round. It was the result of a ferocious tackle and reminded of Gazza's FA Cup final lunge (and resulting injury which put him too out of business for a year)

And not only was Keane not provoked, it was certainly no 'mistake' that happened in an instance. It was - by his own admission - a pre-meditated attack, nothing more, nothing less.

And that fact that SAF is now using the fact that 'Haaland did a lot of talking in the press' as an excuse is not only silly, it is simply rediculous coming from a man who is famous for winding up his opponents in the press.

TRM.

Livvie · 18th August 2002, 13:19

[quote]Originally posted by The Red Machine:
<strong>Keane, however, wasn't even provoked. Let's not forget that his own injury was the result of a foul he committed on Haaland,
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I understand that it wasn't the tackle that caused the aggro but Haaland's attitude towards Keane's injury.

The Red Machine · 18th August 2002, 13:27

I think Haaland could be forgiven for that. Put yourself in his position: you've just been fouled through a very nasty tackle. Your opponent should be booked (at least), however: he is now on the floor. How often have you seen players trying to avoid a booking in that way?

Let's not forget Haaland didn't even see what happened to Keane, since it was a tackle from behind...

Fact it, that it is always someone else's fault, never his own (for both Keane and SAF btw). So it comes as no surprise that he went out to take revenge...

TRM.

permalink · 18th August 2002, 14:34

What do you see as the long term effects?
A further ban possibly as the Fa drum up a seperate charge of bringing the game into disrepute.....

was there any signs yesterday of either support or otherwise for Keane from his team mates ?..and the crowd ??..I have only seen the highlights so cant tell .....(another touch of needless petulance from him yesterday which could have cost him`us a red never mind a yellow )

Dunphy ,( as the post started with him ) must take much of the blame for the shambles He has taken the opportunity to rehash many of his old vendettas. Charlton , Mc Carthy etc , and Keane I suspect like many sportspeople who employ a ghost writer , just let him get on with it not considering the consequences ......

As for the PLC , ???? well.......

Stanley Road · 18th August 2002, 15:16

In that opening post, there is nothing in there to suggest that Keane did not say what was written.

It only suggests that the writter used different words

nickm · 18th August 2002, 15:27

Dunphy is a hack. He's paid to write. It's the guy who hired him who's responsible - and that's Keano. Even Keano admits that much (according to Dunphy).

On an earlier point about focus - you're right mate. You've got to wonder sometimes: Keano's in the papers because he can't keep his mouth shut, Fergie's in the papers because he can't keep *his* mouth shut about horses, Unicef etc. Becks is in the papers because of his hair/clothes/nonsense. Veron is in the papers because he wants to go back to Lazio. Silvestre's in the papers because he can't stop whingeing that Uncle Fergie won't give him that centreback toy he wants.

I mean... good grief. At the same time, all you're getting out of Arsenal is confidence, unity, hard work, focus - they sound exactly like we used to, and we sound increasingly like Chelsea used to!

It's bollocks, and Fergie's got to get a grip on this shambles. He could start by putting the boot into Keano's backside, thereby demonstrating who the hell is in charge around here.

The Red Machine · 18th August 2002, 15:35

Right on, Nick...

It all seems to be falling apart. And it is not in the first game of the season that you'll pay, it'll be in Octobre-November, the boring part of the season, when "it's too early to tell", when the focus is on the CL, not the league...

It'll be at that point were you need the unity, the focus to get on with it in the League aswell...

TRM.

17th August 2002, 22:12	#1 (permalink)
Kevin Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,846	Dunphy (Author) admits that he lied in the book - Sky <a href="http://d.mediadakine.com/ck.php?n=ad232b97&cb=69236" target="_blank"><img src="http://d.mediadakine.com/avw.php?zoneid=81&cb=69236&n=ad232b97" border="0" alt="" /></a> DUNPHY CLAIMS KEANE BOOK IS LIES Roy Keane's ghostwriter has claimed that he has written lies in the book on Manchester United captain. Eamon Dunphy claims Keane did not make the controversial comments about his infamous challenge on Manchester City midfielder Alf Inge Haaland. Both Haaland and Manchester City plan to sue both Keane and Manchester United over the shocking tackle made during a derby match at Old Trafford on April 21 2001. The former Republic of Ireland captain received a red card for the challenge and in his book, `Keane - The Autobiography', he is quoted as admitting it was pre-meditated and provoked by an encounter between the two players in September 1997. In that incident, Keane suffered cruciate ligament damage attempting to foul Haaland during a match with his former club Leeds United at Elland Road. The Football Association have launched an investigation, but Eamon Dunphy has told The Observer that he has lied in the book. "We thought it would be a nice football book, that it would be no problem," said Dunphy. "But there is the passage about Haaland. I am as much responsible for that, as a writer, rather than Roy. "There is artistic licence. I should take the rap. But he won't let me. Fair play to him. No whingeing. No screaming. No `I didn't say that; he made it up'. "But I was paraphrasing. Still no whining. But we are talking about a man here." However, Dunphy has claimed the manuscript was read and approved by Keane and United manager Sir Alex Ferguson before its serialisation in the News of The World and The Times. Dunphy also suggests that Keane's vicious lunge on Haaland was no worse than the Liverpool midfielder Steven Gerrard's tackle on Arsenal's Patrick Vieira in last Sunday's Community Shield. "What did Gerrard say? That he was trying to make an impression on the game. That is the way the game is. And now they want to crucify Roy." <a href="http://msn.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,3360-1061206,00.html" target="_blank">http://msn.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,3360-1061206,00.html</a>

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17th August 2002, 22:33	#2 (permalink)
usual_suspect Guest Posts: n/a	he's clutching at straws...

17th August 2002, 22:40	#3 (permalink)
Rory Fitz Guest Posts: n/a	I did initially think that those were the words of Dunphy as in , take that you c**t. But Gerrards tackle was no-where near like that tackle BTW he wasnt on the Premiership tonight , disappointed with that (Irish Verson)

17th August 2002, 22:43	#4 (permalink)
corelive Guest Posts: n/a	[quote]Originally posted by Rory Fitz: [QB BTW he wasnt on the Premiership tonight , disappointed with that (Irish Verson)[/QB]<hr></blockquote> Who was not on the premiership?

17th August 2002, 22:55	#5 (permalink)
Rory Fitz Guest Posts: n/a	Dunphy, normally him and Johnny Giles provide the analysis, best in the business IMHO better than Hansen and Lawro and any combination of the ITV crew. Dunphy is so up front, tells it like it is - makes for good listening. During Liverpool's treble season he was calling our players 'journey men' that were workers with no talent - all this even though we beat Barcelona He is a good laugh and Giles has a very good reading of the game

17th August 2002, 23:00	#6 (permalink)
golden_blunder Manager Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: In the shadows fighting e-crime Posts: 56,903	Dunphy says he was paraphrasing. Which to me means to listen to someone, then say it back to them so that you have a clear understanding of what is meant.. what im getting at here is that Keane must have said something along those lines, so there should be no hiding behind the 'artistic license' excuse.

18th August 2002, 01:09	#7 (permalink)
wythykid Guest Posts: n/a	"Dunphy has claimed the manuscript was read and approved by Keane and United manager Sir Alex Ferguson before its serialisation in the News of The World and The Times."

18th August 2002, 11:50	#8 (permalink)
christiepark_boy Youth Team Player Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 439	Dunphy, Keane, whoever....I still can't believe that United's lawyers did their job properly in reviewing this book. At best it is grief we don't need, and at worst it will result in Keane being suspended by the FA and missing key games. Fergie says there is anothing wrong with the book, and it is a good read. So what ? We don't get premiership points for writing better books than the other teams. Focus guys, and get your act together where it matters.

18th August 2002, 12:23	#9 (permalink)
Kilcarman Guest Posts: n/a	Dunphy makes his living as a professional controversalist and that shows all too clearly in the style used in the extracts I have read . Weasel words from him now are too late the damage to Keanes and Uniteds reputation is done and means the club hierarchy, particularly Fergie, have to devote precious time to mending external bridges , rebuilding squad morale and not least addressing supporters concerns about the sorry episode , when there are pressing problems on the pitch. We dont, most of us , live in a moral vacuum , sport is a diversion not a war , and while I can sympathise a little with the siege mentality of the banner shown by the Stretford end yesterday , Cantonas and Beckenhams cases were much more worthy of our loyal support . I am having real difficulties coming to Keane`s defence , and wish that he had a) never started his ill considered book and b) if he had to do it had chosen a more astute ghostwriter more in tune with middle ground opinion.

18th August 2002, 12:58	#10 (permalink)
The Red Machine over 2 months in exile Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: On Our Way to 19/7 Posts: 1,313	The fact of the matter is, that every fan would like to defend his team's players. And often they are defensible. Cantona made a stupid mistake, but was provoked, Beckham made a stupid mistake, but was provoked and inexperienced. Keane, however, wasn't even provoked. Let's not forget that his own injury was the result of a foul he committed on Haaland, not the other way round. It was the result of a ferocious tackle and reminded of Gazza's FA Cup final lunge (and resulting injury which put him too out of business for a year) And not only was Keane not provoked, it was certainly no 'mistake' that happened in an instance. It was - by his own admission - a pre-meditated attack, nothing more, nothing less. And that fact that SAF is now using the fact that 'Haaland did a lot of talking in the press' as an excuse is not only silly, it is simply rediculous coming from a man who is famous for winding up his opponents in the press. TRM.

18th August 2002, 13:19	#11 (permalink)
Livvie Executive Manager being kept sane only by her madness Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Someone said that half of Caf members were thick. It's not true. Half of you aren't thick at all. Posts: 33,987	[quote]Originally posted by The Red Machine: <strong>Keane, however, wasn't even provoked. Let's not forget that his own injury was the result of a foul he committed on Haaland, </strong><hr></blockquote> I understand that it wasn't the tackle that caused the aggro but Haaland's attitude towards Keane's injury.

18th August 2002, 13:27	#12 (permalink)
The Red Machine over 2 months in exile Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: On Our Way to 19/7 Posts: 1,313	I think Haaland could be forgiven for that. Put yourself in his position: you've just been fouled through a very nasty tackle. Your opponent should be booked (at least), however: he is now on the floor. How often have you seen players trying to avoid a booking in that way? Let's not forget Haaland didn't even see what happened to Keane, since it was a tackle from behind... Fact it, that it is always someone else's fault, never his own (for both Keane and SAF btw). So it comes as no surprise that he went out to take revenge... TRM.

18th August 2002, 14:34	#13 (permalink)
Kilcarman Guest Posts: n/a	What do you see as the long term effects? A further ban possibly as the Fa drum up a seperate charge of bringing the game into disrepute..... was there any signs yesterday of either support or otherwise for Keane from his team mates ?..and the crowd ??..I have only seen the highlights so cant tell .....(another touch of needless petulance from him yesterday which could have cost him`us a red never mind a yellow ) Dunphy ,( as the post started with him ) must take much of the blame for the shambles He has taken the opportunity to rehash many of his old vendettas. Charlton , Mc Carthy etc , and Keane I suspect like many sportspeople who employ a ghost writer , just let him get on with it not considering the consequences ...... As for the PLC , ???? well.......

18th August 2002, 15:16	#14 (permalink)
Stanley Road I.C.F. Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Hate United Love Glazer Posts: 25,204	In that opening post, there is nothing in there to suggest that Keane did not say what was written. It only suggests that the writter used different words

18th August 2002, 15:27	#15 (permalink)
nickm First Team Sub Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 6,544	Dunphy is a hack. He's paid to write. It's the guy who hired him who's responsible - and that's Keano. Even Keano admits that much (according to Dunphy). On an earlier point about focus - you're right mate. You've got to wonder sometimes: Keano's in the papers because he can't keep his mouth shut, Fergie's in the papers because he can't keep his mouth shut about horses, Unicef etc. Becks is in the papers because of his hair/clothes/nonsense. Veron is in the papers because he wants to go back to Lazio. Silvestre's in the papers because he can't stop whingeing that Uncle Fergie won't give him that centreback toy he wants. I mean... good grief. At the same time, all you're getting out of Arsenal is confidence, unity, hard work, focus - they sound exactly like we used to, and we sound increasingly like Chelsea used to! It's bollocks, and Fergie's got to get a grip on this shambles. He could start by putting the boot into Keano's backside, thereby demonstrating who the hell is in charge around here.

18th August 2002, 15:35	#16 (permalink)
The Red Machine over 2 months in exile Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: On Our Way to 19/7 Posts: 1,313	Right on, Nick... It all seems to be falling apart. And it is not in the first game of the season that you'll pay, it'll be in Octobre-November, the boring part of the season, when "it's too early to tell", when the focus is on the CL, not the league... It'll be at that point were you need the unity, the focus to get on with it in the League aswell... TRM.