Eagles, Martin and Gibson

Pogue Mahone · 22nd July 2008, 21:08

This opinion has NOT been formed watching tonight's game but tonight's game kind of brought it home to me.

They're not gonna make it at United, are they?

Never really impressed on loan, never made any great impact for our reserves, in the Carling Cup, or in Premier League cameos and all three of them are at an age where we should be expecting more. Compared to these three, even Kieran Richardson looked a class above.

I've got high hopes for Evans and Campbell, mind you. They have impressed on loan, been class for our reserves and looked like they belong, every time they've played with the first team. Quality players, the pair of 'em.

7even · 22nd July 2008, 21:08

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

This opinion has NOT been formed watching tonight's game but tonight's game kind of brought it home to me.

They're not gonna make it at United, are they?

Never really impressed on loan, never made any great impact for our reserves, in the Carling Cup, or in Premier League cameos and all three of them are at an age where we should be expecting more. Compared to these three, even Kieran Richardson looked a class above.

I've got high hopes for Evans and Campbell, mind you. They have impressed on loan, been class for our reserves and looked like they belong, every time they've played with the first team. Quality players, the pair of 'em.

Agree.

KingEric7 · 22nd July 2008, 21:15

I might have considered the possibility of Gibson a year or so ago, but the signings of Anderson and maybe Possebon will be the biggest kick in the teeth for any young centre mids at our club on top of what we already have.

Never really had high hopes for Eagles or Martin. Martin reminds me too much of Downing as a winger for me to take him seriously.

prateik · 22nd July 2008, 21:19

5m for those 3 and i'll be delighted

Drifter · 22nd July 2008, 21:20

Both Eagles and Martin went missing in the second half.Gibson looks nothing special.Be surprised if these three are with us next season.

charleysurf · 22nd July 2008, 21:20

I give Gibson a chance. But Eagles and Martin need to move permanently for their own sakes.

Gibson has enough talent to become a good PL quality central midfielder. But it takes a good bit of experience to reach that level for a central midfielder usually.

Another loan move would be good for him.

Evans certainly should be a long-term United player. He could be the best central defender in the PL if he keeps developing as he has. Fergie must keep him away from Sunderland.

Campbell will certainly be a good PL quality striker. He's quick, works hard, does well in build up play and he has a top attitude. Obviously it's always going to be hard for him to be a first-choice striker at United as that's an incredibly high standard to reach. He will certainly be a big asset to United though. With a 7 man bench he's always going to be a great option to have.
Maybe another loan deal, to a PL side, would be the best thing to happen to him this season though? We probably need him around until at least August 31st though as we need his pace when Nani and Ronaldo are out.

Danny Simpson might be a good option this season with lingering doubts about Gary Neville's fitness. A loan deal to a PL club like Villa would probably be ideal for his development though.

lynchie · 22nd July 2008, 21:28

Mainly agree, although I've never been impressed with Campbell when he's played with the first team. I'm worried he either can't handle the pressure, or he's the sort of player that only looks good against weak opposition. Hope he proves me wrong.

jasonrh · 22nd July 2008, 21:32

I was willing to give Eagles a bit of the benefit of the doubt a year ago, less so now.

Martin has never lit things up at any time for me.

For his own sake I would be surprised if Eagles stayed, as for Gibson and Martin, there could be another loan for Gibson, and Martin and a couple of others are now at the stage where they've got to have a decent Carling Cup run or do something truly impressive on loan or make the decision to leave in order to get football.

United is a tough team to get into at the worst of times - unluckily for them this is the best of times.

sincher · 22nd July 2008, 21:33

Eagles and Martin both have a lot of ability and could be premiership or very good championship players yet - not good enough for United though. Gibson is decent but is standing still - he'll go.

Campbell and Evans are more promising, but doubt they'll get beyond squad players given who is ahead of them in the queue.

Church o Choccy · 22nd July 2008, 21:35

I wouldn't be suprised to see at least one of them make a career at a top half Premier league club one day, maybe via a couple of seasons in the Championship.

Sultan · 22nd July 2008, 21:35

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Originally Posted by Drifter

Both Eagles and Martin went missing in the second half.Gibson looks nothing special.Be surprised if these three are with us next season.

Who didn't?

Pogue Mahone · 22nd July 2008, 21:37

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Originally Posted by lynchie

Mainly agree, although I've never been impressed with Campbell when he's played with the first team. I'm worried he either can't handle the pressure, or he's the sort of player that only looks good against weak opposition. Hope he proves me wrong.

I think his main problem is that didn't used to be all that strong, physically. But he's beefed up, big time, since his time at Hull.

He's been trying a bit too hard in pre-season but I think he has what it takes to be a decent impact substitute this season. He works his socks off, is quick as fuck and knows where the net is. Himself and Evans (and maybe Tevez) were our best players on the pitch today.

Decotron · 22nd July 2008, 21:40

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

I think his main problem is that didn't used to be all that strong, physically. But he's beefed up, big time, since his time at Hull.

He's been trying a bit too hard in pre-season but I think he has what it takes to be a decent impact substitute this season. He works his socks off, is quick as fuck and knows where the net is. Himself and Evans (and maybe Tevez) were our best players on the pitch today.

Reminds me of Darren Bent

Lot 49 · 22nd July 2008, 21:40

No they are not. Gibson is the most talented of the 3 imo but is let down by how slow and cumbersome he is.

Evans should make it at least as a squad player.

Campbell is 50/50, he has outstanding pace but pretty much every other aspect of his game needs a lot of work.

RedNome · 22nd July 2008, 21:41

Pretty much agree with Pogue here.

Not up to quality at all, and I've seen a fair bit of all of them. Gibson I had high hopes for but he doesn't seem to be progressing as I would have expected. Eagles and Martin, decent players, but not our level.

Evans and Campbell, yeah high hopes for these two, will be good squad players for us at least I think, whether they even get the chance to be more than that is debatable with the players ahead of them, so their development will be stunted by that to a degree unless other players get injured and they get a chance to stake a claim. A lot will be down to them and if they are willing to hang around and spend a fair bit of time on the bench and wait for the oportunity or take a transfer when offered if and when one comes along that the club are prepared to listen to.

samabachan · 22nd July 2008, 21:49

To be quite honest if Evans doesn't make it with us there is something seriously wrong. He's certainly the best player to come from our youth team to the first team since Wes Brown IMO and probably since Paul Scholes.

I_live_cement · 22nd July 2008, 21:51

Pretty obvious they wouldn't make it at United, don't think Campbell will either. Evans is a different story though (hopefully).

RedNome · 22nd July 2008, 21:51

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Originally Posted by samabachan

To be quite honest if Evans doesn't make it with us there is something seriously wrong. He's certainly the best player to come from our youth team to the first team since Wes Brown IMO and probably since Paul Scholes.

Fair comment but there is a certain Mr Ferdinand and a Mr Vidic standing in his way, tough for the lad.

VoetbalWizard · 22nd July 2008, 21:52

i think campbell will make it if he's willing to come off the bench and not demand assurances like rossi did.

evans will make it and stay in the squad this year.

simpson for loan.

eagles, martin, gibson...thanks for your service, good day.

Tribec · 22nd July 2008, 21:59

I actually feel that some of the players mentioned here have had loan spells at the wrong clubs. With due respect to Wolves, they don't play a style of play like United, and this has had an effect on someone like Gibson. I don't think any of the teams that Martin has been to, with the possible except of say Plymouth where he excelled have been a good move.

It's obviously not doing any of them any good. I wouldn't be surprised to see in Fergie using Peterbourgh as a team to loan players out soon, as Darren will obviously do as he's told on how to play them.

RedPhil1957 · 22nd July 2008, 22:12

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Originally Posted by VoetbalWizard

i think campbell will make it if he's willing to come off the bench and not demand assurances like rossi did.

evans will make it and stay in the squad this year.

simpson for loan.

eagles, martin, gibson...thanks for your service, good day.

Martin might well be given another loan he has had a lot of injuries last couple of seasons, thought he did well today with well taken goal and should have won a pen.

I hope Eagles gets the chance with a good footballing side, he is good enough to make it in the PL with the right club.

It would do Campbell good to have more time playing at hull this time in Pl.

Evans will be one of our squad players this season.

I think Simpson might well be sold.

Gibson is wanted back at Wolves, I believe, he did ok before getting injured last year might well get a perminant move this time

charlenefan · 22nd July 2008, 22:16

I've always been quite impressed with Martin whenever I've seen him (which wasn't tonight as I wasn't really paying attention to the game)

Eagles is utter shite though and has been for years, why he's still at the club taking part in our pre season god only knows

RedPhil1957 · 22nd July 2008, 22:16

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Originally Posted by Tribec

I actually feel that some of the players mentioned here have had loan spells at the wrong clubs. With due respect to Wolves, they don't play a style of play like United, and this has had an effect on someone like Gibson. I don't think any of the teams that Martin has been to, with the possible except of say Plymouth where he excelled have been a good move.

It's obviously not doing any of them any good. I wouldn't be surprised to see in Fergie using Peterbourgh as a team to loan players out soon, as Darren will obviously do as he's told on how to play them.

Martin was really good in Belgium but since then has had too many injuries to do himself justice. Your right about Gibson at Wolves and Eagles at Watford and Sheff Wed.

RedPhil1957 · 22nd July 2008, 22:18

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Originally Posted by charlenefan

I've always been quite impressed with Martin whenever I've seen him (which wasn't tonight as I wasn't really paying attention to the game)

Eagles is utter shite though and has been for years, why he's still at the club taking part in our pre season god only knows

He really isn't.

charlenefan · 22nd July 2008, 22:22

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Originally Posted by RedPhil1957

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He really isn't.

Piss off you know fuck all

RedNome · 22nd July 2008, 22:23

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Originally Posted by charlenefan

I've always been quite impressed with Martin whenever I've seen him (which wasn't tonight as I wasn't really paying attention to the game)

Eagles is utter shite though and has been for years, why he's still at the club taking part in our pre season god only knows

Shop window one would guess/hope.

charlenefan · 22nd July 2008, 22:24

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Originally Posted by RedNome

Shop window one would guess/hope.

That was also the case last season though and no fucker took the bate then did they

I'd honestly take Richardson back to get rid of Eagles, common Keano you know you want him

Brad · 22nd July 2008, 22:50

I think the United coaching staff have to hang their heads with Eagles. He might have had the skill and talent to make it as a decent player at United by this time, but he's totally held back by his body, which is far too weak and fragile. He looks positively well built compared to a year ago, but its too little too late. He needed to learn how to use his body long before now. I worry for him a bit because if he moves down to the Championship, I can see them knocking him out of games

Martin doesn't look the standard of the Premiership to me, he doesn't seem to have the pace or the tricks to beat a man. That said to be fair, I've seen a lot less of him than the other two, so I'd be loathe to cast a categorical judgement on him. Took his goal well tonight, although he should have had one a few minutes earlier too

Gibson I'd give some more time too. He looks like he could be a handy player, good build, and has that much needed composure. Thing is, is he seriously going to be given a chance in the first team United midfield? You don't develop in the reserves for me, so he's probably got a decision to make unless we agree a loan with another Premiership side for the season. Personally I'd rather see him take Fletchers squad place, he's had his chances and not done enough for me, give it up to a lad who might yet make the grade

RedNome · 22nd July 2008, 22:55

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Originally Posted by Brad

I think the United coaching staff have to hang their heads with Eagles. He might have had the skill and talent to make it as a decent player at United by this time, but he's totally held back by his body, which is far too weak and fragile. He looks positively well built compared to a year ago, but its too little too late. He needed to learn how to use his body long before now. I worry for him a bit because if he moves down to the Championship, I can see them knocking him out of games

Martin doesn't look the standard of the Premiership to me, he doesn't seem to have the pace or the tricks to beat a man. That said to be fair, I've seen a lot less of him than the other two, so I'd be loathe to cast a categorical judgement on him. Took his goal well tonight, although he should have had one a few minutes earlier too

Gibson I'd give some more time too. He looks like he could be a handy player, good build, and has that much needed composure. Thing is, is he seriously going to be given a chance in the first team United midfield? You don't develop in the reserves for me, so he's probably got a decision to make unless we agree a loan with another Premiership side for the season. Personally I'd rather see him take Fletchers squad place, he's had his chances and not done enough for me, give it up to a lad who might yet make the grade

He's not yet at Fletchers level Brad (although I know you don't rate him all that much) so it would be a big gamble putting him straight into that role imo.

Brad · 22nd July 2008, 22:59

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Originally Posted by RedNome

He's not yet at Fletchers level Brad (although I know you don't rate him all that much) so it would be a big gamble putting him straight into that role imo.

He isn't. But whats the gamble? Fletcher only started five league games last season. You have to give players a chance, the likes of Scholes didn't exactly come into the team as the finished article did he. No-one can argue Fletcher hasn't had more than his fair share of chances, and yes he's decent and somewhat reliable. But you surely gamble on the talent than the man who won't make it? That's always been Fergies way before

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Pogue Mahone Dr Death wasting tax payers money on the Caf all day Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "As relaxed and natural on the park as a dog chasing a piece of silver paper in the wind" Posts: 11,666	Eagles, Martin and Gibson This opinion has NOT been formed watching tonight's game but tonight's game kind of brought it home to me. They're not gonna make it at United, are they? Never really impressed on loan, never made any great impact for our reserves, in the Carling Cup, or in Premier League cameos and all three of them are at an age where we should be expecting more. Compared to these three, even Kieran Richardson looked a class above. I've got high hopes for Evans and Campbell, mind you. They have impressed on loan, been class for our reserves and looked like they belong, every time they've played with the first team. Quality players, the pair of 'em.

22nd July 2008, 21:15	#3 (permalink)
KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: My best moment? I have a lot of good moments but the one I prefer is when I kicked the hooligan. Posts: 12,563	I might have considered the possibility of Gibson a year or so ago, but the signings of Anderson and maybe Possebon will be the biggest kick in the teeth for any young centre mids at our club on top of what we already have. Never really had high hopes for Eagles or Martin. Martin reminds me too much of Downing as a winger for me to take him seriously.

22nd July 2008, 21:19	#4 (permalink)
prateik Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,347	5m for those 3 and i'll be delighted

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Drifter First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 16,689	Both Eagles and Martin went missing in the second half.Gibson looks nothing special.Be surprised if these three are with us next season.

22nd July 2008, 21:20	#6 (permalink)
charleysurf Talks sense Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,105	I give Gibson a chance. But Eagles and Martin need to move permanently for their own sakes. Gibson has enough talent to become a good PL quality central midfielder. But it takes a good bit of experience to reach that level for a central midfielder usually. Another loan move would be good for him. Evans certainly should be a long-term United player. He could be the best central defender in the PL if he keeps developing as he has. Fergie must keep him away from Sunderland. Campbell will certainly be a good PL quality striker. He's quick, works hard, does well in build up play and he has a top attitude. Obviously it's always going to be hard for him to be a first-choice striker at United as that's an incredibly high standard to reach. He will certainly be a big asset to United though. With a 7 man bench he's always going to be a great option to have. Maybe another loan deal, to a PL side, would be the best thing to happen to him this season though? We probably need him around until at least August 31st though as we need his pace when Nani and Ronaldo are out. Danny Simpson might be a good option this season with lingering doubts about Gary Neville's fitness. A loan deal to a PL club like Villa would probably be ideal for his development though.

22nd July 2008, 21:28	#7 (permalink)
lynchie Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,179	Mainly agree, although I've never been impressed with Campbell when he's played with the first team. I'm worried he either can't handle the pressure, or he's the sort of player that only looks good against weak opposition. Hope he proves me wrong.

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jasonrh Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: "You sir, are the syphilitic cockbiscuit son of a hamster rimmer."; "Sir Alex Ferguson, trainer of the English champions, wants to start the spoon fruits since early." Posts: 57,621	I was willing to give Eagles a bit of the benefit of the doubt a year ago, less so now. Martin has never lit things up at any time for me. For his own sake I would be surprised if Eagles stayed, as for Gibson and Martin, there could be another loan for Gibson, and Martin and a couple of others are now at the stage where they've got to have a decent Carling Cup run or do something truly impressive on loan or make the decision to leave in order to get football. United is a tough team to get into at the worst of times - unluckily for them this is the best of times.

22nd July 2008, 21:33	#9 (permalink)
sincher Les jeux sont Fait Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: YSC Posts: 13,679	Eagles and Martin both have a lot of ability and could be premiership or very good championship players yet - not good enough for United though. Gibson is decent but is standing still - he'll go. Campbell and Evans are more promising, but doubt they'll get beyond squad players given who is ahead of them in the queue.

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Church o Choccy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: travelling the world Posts: 626	I wouldn't be suprised to see at least one of them make a career at a top half Premier league club one day, maybe via a couple of seasons in the Championship.

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Lot 49 Doom Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 750	No they are not. Gibson is the most talented of the 3 imo but is let down by how slow and cumbersome he is. Evans should make it at least as a squad player. Campbell is 50/50, he has outstanding pace but pretty much every other aspect of his game needs a lot of work.

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RedNome Cnut Rating: 9(conservative) Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Well, here we are in a room with two manky hookers and a racist dwarf. Posts: 11,001	Pretty much agree with Pogue here. Not up to quality at all, and I've seen a fair bit of all of them. Gibson I had high hopes for but he doesn't seem to be progressing as I would have expected. Eagles and Martin, decent players, but not our level. Evans and Campbell, yeah high hopes for these two, will be good squad players for us at least I think, whether they even get the chance to be more than that is debatable with the players ahead of them, so their development will be stunted by that to a degree unless other players get injured and they get a chance to stake a claim. A lot will be down to them and if they are willing to hang around and spend a fair bit of time on the bench and wait for the oportunity or take a transfer when offered if and when one comes along that the club are prepared to listen to.

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samabachan Cockface McSticklebrick Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: He plays on the left, he plays on the riiiiiiiight, our boy Ronaldo made you look shite. Posts: 3,516	To be quite honest if Evans doesn't make it with us there is something seriously wrong. He's certainly the best player to come from our youth team to the first team since Wes Brown IMO and probably since Paul Scholes.

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I_live_cement Cat freak Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4,294	Pretty obvious they wouldn't make it at United, don't think Campbell will either. Evans is a different story though (hopefully).

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VoetbalWizard Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,102	i think campbell will make it if he's willing to come off the bench and not demand assurances like rossi did. evans will make it and stay in the squad this year. simpson for loan. eagles, martin, gibson...thanks for your service, good day.

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Tribec Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Out and Proud of it.... I'm a Red and I'm from Salford. Posts: 2,002	I actually feel that some of the players mentioned here have had loan spells at the wrong clubs. With due respect to Wolves, they don't play a style of play like United, and this has had an effect on someone like Gibson. I don't think any of the teams that Martin has been to, with the possible except of say Plymouth where he excelled have been a good move. It's obviously not doing any of them any good. I wouldn't be surprised to see in Fergie using Peterbourgh as a team to loan players out soon, as Darren will obviously do as he's told on how to play them.

22nd July 2008, 22:16	#22 (permalink)
charlenefan Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,825	I've always been quite impressed with Martin whenever I've seen him (which wasn't tonight as I wasn't really paying attention to the game) Eagles is utter shite though and has been for years, why he's still at the club taking part in our pre season god only knows

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Brad The Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 18,114	I think the United coaching staff have to hang their heads with Eagles. He might have had the skill and talent to make it as a decent player at United by this time, but he's totally held back by his body, which is far too weak and fragile. He looks positively well built compared to a year ago, but its too little too late. He needed to learn how to use his body long before now. I worry for him a bit because if he moves down to the Championship, I can see them knocking him out of games Martin doesn't look the standard of the Premiership to me, he doesn't seem to have the pace or the tricks to beat a man. That said to be fair, I've seen a lot less of him than the other two, so I'd be loathe to cast a categorical judgement on him. Took his goal well tonight, although he should have had one a few minutes earlier too Gibson I'd give some more time too. He looks like he could be a handy player, good build, and has that much needed composure. Thing is, is he seriously going to be given a chance in the first team United midfield? You don't develop in the reserves for me, so he's probably got a decision to make unless we agree a loan with another Premiership side for the season. Personally I'd rather see him take Fletchers squad place, he's had his chances and not done enough for me, give it up to a lad who might yet make the grade