Evans

Cold_Boy

There has been a lot of talk about him signing permanently with Sunderland.Keano has said he would like to make Evans his first signing.And Evans himself wants to stay at Sunderland rather than United according to reports.

And also the talentless dickhead Bardsley has come out a number of times and said Evans should stay at Sunderland cause he wont get chance at United.

So whats gonna happen.He is class talent imo.We should not lose him.

cw1984

I've not seen anything from him saying he'd "rather" stay at Sunderland just stuff like he'd be open to staying there.

I think he'll be back with us next season. I hope so anyway. He's gunna be ace.

Anduin

It's a matter of two questions: Do we really need him? How much money is Keano willing to spend on a very bright CB talent that is already Premiership proven?
First of all I think Evans has the ability to become an extraordinary defender. He has settled down in the Premiership easily, the Sunderland fans are praising him all the way. But at United it would be a lot more difficult. We've got Rio and Vidic, arguably one of the best CB partnerships in modern world football. We've got Gerard Pique who seems to be a special talent as well who has already earned raving reviews in La Liga and has proved to be able to play alongside Rio. And last but not least we still do not know what is going to happen to Wes Brown. Will he sign the contract? We have had an excellent season without Evans and we all know that he won't get too much time on the pitch in the coming season as well. This case can't be compared to Rossi, strikers are different to defenders in many aspects, definitely also in terms of playing time.
It will all depend on how much money Keano will offer. If Evans wants to stay at Sunderland and Keano offers more than £6m, Fergie will let the boy go. Remember Keane paid us about £5,5m for Richardson (!) and around £2m for Bardsley, he'll most probably pay even more for Evans who is very important for them to stay in the Prem. I'd say sell him for no less than £8m, even though I hate to see so many of our very own youth players leaving.

cw1984

Evans>Pique.

Just my opinion......

Plus, its also my opinion, that Pique will go in the Summer anyway.

Hopefully we'll have a good Carling Cup run next year so a lot of the young/fringe players will see a lot of games that way.

Anduin

Spot on, absolutely sharing your thoughts. But the question remains if Fergie does think so as well?!
I can see Pique leaving in the summer, especially if Barcelona's interest turns out to be true.

cw1984

I think Fergie rates him, and Fergie will know 6months of real pressure playing first team in a relegation threatened side in the top leage will do him an absolute world of good.

I think thats one area where we went wrong with Pique, i dont think a season in La Liga really helped him as far as learning the English game goes. Surely if he's as good as most believe a Premiership club would have taken him for a year? That experience would have been much better IMO.

Chris H

Including the Final, the Carling Cup is just five rounds (plus replays where necessary). It gives us a quick look at some of the young players, but if that's all the playing time they get, it doesn't do too much for their development.

cw1984

Plus don't forget the semi's are 2 legs.

Despite it not being loads of games it would do some fringe players and youngsters a World of good that when a CC game comes around they know they are in contention with starting a first team game for Manchester United...

Just my view anyway.

Anduin

Remember we are allowed to bench seven players next year in the Prem. Should be a huge adavantage compared to this season in terms of using our squad and giving some youth players a chance of first team football (e.g. if we are leading a side 4-0 at home...)

Juwaini

Evans > Pique

But I do like Pique..

cw1984

Very good point. I'd forgotten about that actually.....

devilish

If Evans is that good then he would have been kept and Pique would have been offloaded.

cw1984

Don't agree with that.

Evans was never going to get a look in this season and the opportuinity to get first team football in the Premier League is a huge opportunity.

devilish

Pique had got his first team chances this season and that despite being 'worse' then Evans. Honestly Im impressed with none of them. Mind they do have some potential but they have to work hard to convert that potential into talent and that was clearly shown in the Coventry game where that Mifsud guy made them both look ridiculous.

Mind maybe Im being too pessimistic but lets face it we do overrate our youngsters at times expecially if they are homegrown talent coming from Britian (+ Ireland). I mean do you remember the next 'Steve Bruce' , Ronnie Wallwork?

John the Writer

Not sure that's true. Pique's a bit older than Evans, and I also think the rape allegations played a part in Fergie letting him go. I think he knew that if taking him out of the spot light would probably be the best thing all round.

devilish

Recent history (Cantona, Philip Neville,Beckham, Ronaldo) had taught us that SAF tend to stick to his men in times of trouble rather then sending them away. Therefore I dont think than that was the case. In my opinion SAF sent Evans away because he felt that unlike Pique, he was not yet experienced enough to do the job. Nothing wrong with that. There again, true nature talent (Maldini for example) tend to win their place at 17 yrs of age, and are rarely loaned to anyone....

Mind Im not saying that Evans is shite or anything of that kind. Im just saying that we should wait and see how he develops + how he play with us before stating that he is the next big thing. Richardson saved Westbrom's arse from relegation while Miller was considered amongst the biggest talents in the SPL. Both players played shite with us.

anything about now

I can understand Evans looking for more first team opportunities to further his level, but there is no way that he'd "rather" stay at Sunderland than try and succeed in United, his boyhood club.

devilish

Amir

There are very, very few Maldini's around, and even many of those who really are talented don't have the likes of Ferdinand and Vidic blocking their way. top teams rarely take chances with youngsters, in defence anyway.

I've seen what Evans said and that was that he wanted to return to United, but if we decided to sell him, he'd like to stay at Sunderland. I think he'll be back with us, with Pique going elsewhere next season, although I hope it would be on loan. They ARE top talents.

Chris H

But is an occasional cameo, in a game that's already out of reach, really helpful in developing a player?

Would Frazier Campbell have been better off hanging around in the Reserves, playing an occasional Carling Cup tie, and getting an occasional runout in a game that's already over? I think he has benefitted far more by having spent the season playing competitive matches in the Championship, helping push Hull City to promotion. Evans, likewise, is better off having spent 2008 with Sunderland, playing against Premiership sides every week, fighting to keep the club away from relegation. Situations like these provide critical experience to a young player.

Much better for them than what Eagles and Simpson got, training with the senior side but rarely getting more than a Reserve match. They would have got a little bit more time had we won a couple of Carling Cup matches, and they might have got 6 minutes against Aston Villa (had the new 7 sub rule been in effect), but what good is that?

devilish

If Evans had half the talent Maldini has than he would have won his place already. Gaz (whose nowhere near Maldini) was only 20 yrs old and still raw but he won his place, despite having to compete with England's right back Paul Parker.

What Im trying to say is that we should wait and see what this player do at the highest level, to determine whether he is a truly great talent or not. There is a big difference between doing well at Sunderland/Westbrom/Celtic level and doing it at top EPL level.

Now if Pique and Evans want to wait for their chance then well and good, if not then they should go. One thing is certian, football is not an easy ride, whether youre playing with Manchester United or not and former 'great talent' like the new Bruce Ronnie Wallwork and the new Gaz John Curtis knows that pretty well.

Anduin

I never said that it wasn't a good idea loaning Evans out, the experience he gained is surely much more useful to him than sitting around at Old Trafford and waiting for his chance. It was only an example which possibilities there might come to give talents a chance - not talking about a 22-year old Chris Eagles (who might make it at another club anyway, he seems to good to play for the reserves), but rather about players who are more 17, 18 or 19 years of age and considered big talents.
There's nothing wrong with loaning players out, but it's always possible that the players won't want to come back as they experienced first team football (see Rossi to a certain extend) - and I think that could possibly become better with this new rule (seven players on the bench)

Raven_Blade

We should not sell him Evans. Keep him as a player of this club. If he needs to stay out on loan at Sunderland for another season then let it be so. He has a bright future ahead of him and must get all the experience he needs before becoming a full member of the team.

Chris H

Fair enough. I'm just not convinced that the 7 sub rule will really be all that useful to the long-term development of young players. It'll give us muppets a chance to see some of the Academy products wearing the shirt, and playing with the senior side, but it doesn't seem particularly substantial to me.

Still I'll enjoy seeing Welbeck or Possebon get a runout, as I'd imagine you will. It's lads like those who'll see a bit of playing time while they're still developing in the Academy/Reserves - players at Campbell's stage of development (this season) will still be loaned out.

In my opinion.

Colly

Spot on

Amir

Paul Parker was already past his best when Neville took his place, his legs were gone. You just can't compare what happened in 1995 to 2008. Different team, different players. Back then, we had a gaping hole at right back. Currently, we do not have such a situation at center back. So saying that if Evans hasn't won a place at United he doesn't have half the talent Maldini has is, as Fergie would have it, absolute b*ll*cks.

Obviously there's no way to know how a player will do for United until he actually plays regularly for the team. But if you look at what Evans is doing at Sunderland (I focused on him against Chelsea a few weeks ago and he was brilliant) and what Pique did last season at Zaragoza, then you can't ignore the fact they have the sort of talent to make it at United. Whether they'll be able to handle the pressue of doing that is another thing, but the talent IS there. Maldini or not.

devilish

Richardson did pretty well with Westbrom and yet.....he was still shite with us.

And ive already said that both Evans and Pique have potential. Im only saying that Id rather pass my final judgement on them once they do well with us. We tend to overrate too much our youngsters.

Anduin

Which is rarely a local phenomenon, it happens all over the world. Home grown players or even young players who were actually bought at the age of 14, 15 or 16 are always a bit overrated by the supporters of the club they play for.

I think Amir has made a very valid point in pointing out that we can't judge them as long as they don't play on a regular basis for United (or a club of similar size which will probably happen in Pique's case). And it's safe to say that 98% of our youth players won't get the chance to do that due to various reasons. Judging by today's standard of the top Prem clubs (in particular Chelsea), we can't afford too many experiments with young players. Sad, but to some extent true.