Evans and Pique.

cw1984 · 27th March 2008, 10:11

The chances are one of them will be off in the Summer as they both want more games.

Which would you rather keep?

Personally i rate Evans much higher than i do Pique and i think Pique will be off to Spain in the Summer. I think he's a decent enough defender but he looks to shakey for me and my god he seems really really slow. Such a shame that, IMO, he hasnt really fulfilled the early promise.

Evans, on the other hand, i think is brilliant. I've watched him in several games for Sunderland this season and he continues to impress me in every game. I think he's going to be a genuine class defender and i hope he stays at United.

Views?

dejans · 27th March 2008, 10:13

Both will stay

Longsden_7 · 27th March 2008, 10:13

Both will stay, I like the sound of your crystal ball.

Jacob · 27th March 2008, 10:14

Thing is, I doubt Piqué has the pantience to wait for a regular spot. I rate him higher than Evans but I think he'll be off after next season. These are very good youngster and won't settle for the odd appearance here and there. The partnership of Rio and Vidic will last for at least another 4 years.

If one of them had to go, I'd keep Evans.

ruddevil · 27th March 2008, 10:17

if brown goes, then they both will stay. evans would probably be loaned out for another season. pique will be kept as he might handle continental games better.

Ekeke · 27th March 2008, 10:20

Pique will end up the better footballer in my opinion. Evans is likely to be a more loyal one.

Pique should have been given a run of games at right back this season, even if its not his eventual position. The boy needs games if hes going to improve and he'll know that more than anyone.

cw1984 · 27th March 2008, 10:23

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Originally Posted by Longsden_7

Both will stay, I like the sound of your crystal ball.

Not a crystal ball, i prefer to call it an educated guess

Last season Pique said he only wants to return to Manchester if he is competing for a regular spot and he's quite simply not, and i dont think he will stick around for another year.

rotherham_red · 27th March 2008, 10:23

I reckon both will stay, and Brown and/or Silvestre will leave...

dejans · 27th March 2008, 10:25

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Originally Posted by rotherham_red

I reckon both will stay, and Brown and/or Silvestre will leave...

not a chance for both of them leaving, in fact i doubt that either of them will leave

cw1984 · 27th March 2008, 10:26

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Pique will end up the better footballer in my opinion. Evans is likely to be a more loyal one.

When Sunderland played Liverpool Evans was given the job of watching Torres and he had him in his pocket most of the game. Only a rush of blood to the head trying to win a header he should never have gone for (inexperience) let Torres in and he then scored.

Pique might be the mors composed of the 2, more Rioesque if you will, but i think Evans is a better defender.

If you get the chance to watch a full Sunderland game this season i suggest you do it. He's looked really good and he's a big reason why they've managed to really improve the amount of goals they were conceding.

cloud218 · 27th March 2008, 10:27

Considering Brown seems likely to leave, most likely, SAF won't risk it on Pique or Evans, as it would be that he would just buy a natural right-back. Yes, I see that happening. One would leave and one would stay. I can see Evans going out on loan again next season, and Pique staying again next season.

cw1984 · 27th March 2008, 10:28

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Originally Posted by rotherham_red

I reckon both will stay, and Brown and/or Silvestre will leave...

Apparently we accepted a bid from Newcastle in the Summer for Silvestre and he turned them down. Not sure how true it is though.

If Brown goes then i think we'll sign a replacement so thet would give us:

Neville, Rio, Vidic, Evra, O'Shea, Silvestre, NewGuy, Pique, Evans, Simpson(?).

cw1984 · 27th March 2008, 10:30

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Originally Posted by cloud218

I can see Evans going out on loan again next season, and Pique staying again next season.

That would be ideal IMO. A full season at Sunderland (if they stay up) will do him a World of good.

cw1984 · 27th March 2008, 10:36

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Originally Posted by ruddevil

pique will be kept as he might handle continental games better.

Evans already has about 10 caps for Northern Ireland don't forget so its not like 'continental' football is new to him.

I genuinely believe if Evans was foreign he would be rated much higher than he is.

Tibs · 27th March 2008, 10:50

Both will stay.

It is a bit of a disaster that we went out of the Carling Cup so early, because otherwise alot of fringe players would have been getting games keeping them happy

Pogue Mahone · 27th March 2008, 11:01

I think they'll stay. People keep forgetting that being a squad player at Manchester United is better than being a regular starter at 99% of the other clubs in Europe.

Does anyone think John O'Shea and Wes Brown are looking back on their careers and wishing they had left for a shot at regular first-team football? I'm sure Evans and Pique will have discussed their future with other lads in the squad and had some sense talked into them.

Besides, tehy are both in a much better situation than O'Shea and Wes, because they're a good 6 or 7 years younger than the players keeping them out. No reason they can't have a good 5 or 6 years as first-choice players, when Rio and Vida call it a day. Meanwhile there will be plenty of opportunities for them both as squad players.

I think Brown will be off, mind you, to make way for them. Which is a bit sad but there you go.

fatboy · 27th March 2008, 11:04

Pique will do better in another league. I agree he probably won't have the patience to wait it out much longer. Hopefully we get good money for him if he really does go.

I hope Evans stays.

anything about now · 27th March 2008, 11:05

Tbh I think Evans is the bigger talent, he reads the game better and is quicker and more agile. Pique seems really good in the air and is very tall, but i'm always a bit nervous when he starts Premiership matches, as any mistake can be deadly and his mistakes are usually misjudging a header or getting turned.

Chris H · 27th March 2008, 11:06

Haven't seen enough of them to have an opinion, but seeing how little time Pique has got for us this season, it seems to me that Ferguson doesn't really rate him. We haven't had too much time lost to injuries in defense, but if Pique really were ready to do the job for us, we would have given Brown or Vidic or Rio a rest or two, and thrown him into the mix. But that didn't happen - he has barely played, and when he did, he didn't make any of our back 4 worried about their place in the team.

He seems ambitious, and did an excellent job for Zaragoza in Spain last season. I believe they were offering us 7m for him over the summer. Is that right? Ferguson wanted to see if he could turn into a United player, so he kept him around this year. But seeing how little he's played...I think they'll be looking for Spanish offers for him over the summer, since he's already shown he can play in that league. Perhaps he's better suited to La Liga anyway.

Evans I've barely seen. Hear good things about him. But my guess is he'll get what Pique got this season - a chance to show that he has a future here. He can probably afford to be a bit more patient than Pique, since he can keep a place in his national squad as a backup at United, he came up with the club, and there isn't another league somewhere else where he might suspect he'd be more welcome, and more effective. Seems to be doing well at Sunderland, although I only hear that stuff second or third hand. Certainly can play in the Premiership if he's doing it competently already.

Anyway those are my guesses.

Ekeke · 27th March 2008, 11:12

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Originally Posted by cw1984

When Sunderland played Liverpool Evans was given the job of watching Torres and he had him in his pocket most of the game. Only a rush of blood to the head trying to win a header he should never have gone for (inexperience) let Torres in and he then scored.

Pique might be the mors composed of the 2, more Rioesque if you will, but i think Evans is a better defender.

If you get the chance to watch a full Sunderland game this season i suggest you do it. He's looked really good and he's a big reason why they've managed to really improve the amount of goals they were conceding.

I watch Sunderland every chance I get. I do rate Evans. I just think Pique will be a better footballer.

cw1984 · 27th March 2008, 11:27

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

I watch Sunderland every chance I get. I do rate Evans. I just think Pique will be a better footballer.

I think he'll be a better footballer, but not a better defender.

Apparently he's even looked a little shakey at the back in reserve outings (especially against Liverpool) but according to some people i spoke to that watch the reserves regularly his best performances for them have been in defensive midfield....

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 11:39

I think Pique will leave this summer.

Probably for his best.

Pogue Mahone · 27th March 2008, 11:51

I think a lot of you are ignoring the age of these young lads. The fact that they are even close to Premier League standard at the age they are is a testament to their abilities.

Playing in central defence, consistency is key. And that's exactly what you don't get from young lads in their late teens/early 20s. They can't expect to be making a play for a regular start at MUFC until after they hit their mid to late 20s, at which time they will have ironed out all the flaws that make them look a bit vulnerable from time to time. Meanwhile, the odd game here and there will bring em along nicely.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 12:03

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Meanwhile, the odd game here and there will bring em along nicely.

Not enough.

A player needs to be playing regular football when he hits his early 20's, whatever the position is.

Bilbo · 27th March 2008, 12:08

Pique doesn't seem made for English football, from the little I've seen of him.

Evans - I'm continually impressed with. Think he could have a big future.

Bilbo · 27th March 2008, 12:09

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Originally Posted by CnutOfAllCnuts

Not enough.

A player needs to be playing regular football when he hits his early 20's, whatever the position is.

Agreed. I'd be surprised if Pique would even want to stay after a pretty uneventful season.

Elliott · 27th March 2008, 12:16

I think Pique will be off in the summer and we'll get quite a bit of money for him. He might be used as part exchange in we go for a player from Spain. Evans seems to be playing better and better for Sunderland and I reckon he'll be here next season, especially if SAF rates him as a better prospect than O'Shea. Like Sheasy, Evans can play all across the back four. Though not at the same time.

CnutOfAllCnuts · 27th March 2008, 12:24

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Agreed. I'd be surprised if Pique would even want to stay after a pretty uneventful season.

Look at our squad at the moment:

van der Sar - played regular since he was 22.
Neville - 19.
Evra - 20.
Hargreaves - 20.
Rio - 19.
Brown - 18.
Ronaldo - 17.
Anderson - 18.
Saha - 18.
Rooney - 16.
Giggs - 17.
Foster - 22.
Park - 19.
Vidic - 19.
Carrick - 19.
Nani - 19.
Scholes - 20.
O'Shea - 21.
Fletcher - 19.
Silvestre - 20.
Tevez - 18.

prateik · 27th March 2008, 12:25

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/...-to.3919566.jp

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Jonny Evans has opened the door for Sunderland to make a summer move for his signature.
The centre-back admits he would be interested in a permanent transfer to the Stadium of Light if Manchester United decide to let him go.

Evans does not desire to leave United – his boyhood idols – a fact he has always made clear. But should the path to progress at Old Trafford be blocked by Sir Alex Ferguson, the 20-year-old would love the opportunity to discuss his future with Roy Keane.

The Northern Ireland international, who featured in his country's 4-1 friendly win against Georgia in Belfast last night, said: "I'm really enjoying playing a full part in Sunderland's season.

"Sometimes it seems a bit unreal that I'm back at Sunderland. It didn't look like it was going to happen when the gaffer (Keane) asked the question early in the season and United wanted me there. But it's great to be playing and testing myself in Premier League games and it's something I want a lot more of.

"United is the club I support and to have the chance to make it there is still a great opportunity that no player surrenders easily. But if I was ever going to leave Man United, Sunderland would definitely be an option for me – if they want me."

Evans grew up admiring Keane the player and was blown away to have the chance to train alongside the Old Trafford legend before being offered the chance, twice, to play under the Irishman on Wearside.

"When Roy Keane says he wants you, it's a massive compliment," said Evans.

"If he wanted to make this
move permanent, it's something I would want to talk about. Playing in the Premier League in games that matter is what it's all about and what I want to be doing for a few years to come.

"But nothing's been said at all by Sunderland or Man United about anything beyond this season. Everything's very similar to the situation when I was here last season.

"The most important thing at the moment is that we get results and no-one is looking beyond our next game."

Sunderland host West Ham on Saturday, looking to build on last week's first away win of the season at Aston Villa.

So far, Sir Alex has offered little encouragement to any club that may have ambitions to sign Evans and the best that may be hoped for next season may be another loan. The defender made three United appearances early in the season before falling out of the picture and joining Sunderland on loan in January.

park fiction · 27th March 2008, 12:26

Thing is though, Pique can play RB, CB or midfield.

Evans, whilst a very very good player, can only play CB.

I see Pique getting more of a chance due to his versatility.

Pogue Mahone · 27th March 2008, 12:29

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Originally Posted by prateik

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/...-to.3919566.jp

Old article.

Fergie said earlier this week that Evans and Campbell would both definitely be back at United next season.

27th March 2008, 10:11	#1 (permalink)
cw1984 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,095	Evans and Pique. The chances are one of them will be off in the Summer as they both want more games. Which would you rather keep? Personally i rate Evans much higher than i do Pique and i think Pique will be off to Spain in the Summer. I think he's a decent enough defender but he looks to shakey for me and my god he seems really really slow. Such a shame that, IMO, he hasnt really fulfilled the early promise. Evans, on the other hand, i think is brilliant. I've watched him in several games for Sunderland this season and he continues to impress me in every game. I think he's going to be a genuine class defender and i hope he stays at United. Views?

27th March 2008, 10:13	#2 (permalink)
dejans Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Latvija Posts: 1,721	Both will stay

27th March 2008, 10:13	#3 (permalink)
Longsden_7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Didsbury, Manchester Posts: 670	Both will stay, I like the sound of your crystal ball.

27th March 2008, 10:14	#4 (permalink)
Jacob buS maeT tsriF Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Stockholm Posts: 8,978	Thing is, I doubt Piqué has the pantience to wait for a regular spot. I rate him higher than Evans but I think he'll be off after next season. These are very good youngster and won't settle for the odd appearance here and there. The partnership of Rio and Vidic will last for at least another 4 years. If one of them had to go, I'd keep Evans.

27th March 2008, 10:17	#5 (permalink)
ruddevil Youth Team Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: in front of a screen Posts: 301	if brown goes, then they both will stay. evans would probably be loaned out for another season. pique will be kept as he might handle continental games better.

27th March 2008, 10:20	#6 (permalink)
Ekeke McFuckwit Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,981	Pique will end up the better footballer in my opinion. Evans is likely to be a more loyal one. Pique should have been given a run of games at right back this season, even if its not his eventual position. The boy needs games if hes going to improve and he'll know that more than anyone.

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rotherham_red Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 671	I reckon both will stay, and Brown and/or Silvestre will leave...

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cloud218 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: US. Now, you cunts, I live in the US, and I am NOT a freaking Yank! Geez! I'm a Freakin' Asian! Posts: 4,543	Considering Brown seems likely to leave, most likely, SAF won't risk it on Pique or Evans, as it would be that he would just buy a natural right-back. Yes, I see that happening. One would leave and one would stay. I can see Evans going out on loan again next season, and Pique staying again next season.

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Tibs Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,485	Both will stay. It is a bit of a disaster that we went out of the Carling Cup so early, because otherwise alot of fringe players would have been getting games keeping them happy

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Pogue Mahone Dr Death wasting tax payers money on the Caf all day Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "As relaxed and natural on the park as a dog chasing a piece of silver paper in the wind" Posts: 9,103	I think they'll stay. People keep forgetting that being a squad player at Manchester United is better than being a regular starter at 99% of the other clubs in Europe. Does anyone think John O'Shea and Wes Brown are looking back on their careers and wishing they had left for a shot at regular first-team football? I'm sure Evans and Pique will have discussed their future with other lads in the squad and had some sense talked into them. Besides, tehy are both in a much better situation than O'Shea and Wes, because they're a good 6 or 7 years younger than the players keeping them out. No reason they can't have a good 5 or 6 years as first-choice players, when Rio and Vida call it a day. Meanwhile there will be plenty of opportunities for them both as squad players. I think Brown will be off, mind you, to make way for them. Which is a bit sad but there you go.

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fatboy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,060	Pique will do better in another league. I agree he probably won't have the patience to wait it out much longer. Hopefully we get good money for him if he really does go. I hope Evans stays.

27th March 2008, 11:05	#18 (permalink)
anything about now MUFC lad living in a matriel world Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: proudly plastic Posts: 1,725	Tbh I think Evans is the bigger talent, he reads the game better and is quicker and more agile. Pique seems really good in the air and is very tall, but i'm always a bit nervous when he starts Premiership matches, as any mistake can be deadly and his mistakes are usually misjudging a header or getting turned.

27th March 2008, 11:06	#19 (permalink)
Chris H Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Yes! Posts: 1,252	Haven't seen enough of them to have an opinion, but seeing how little time Pique has got for us this season, it seems to me that Ferguson doesn't really rate him. We haven't had too much time lost to injuries in defense, but if Pique really were ready to do the job for us, we would have given Brown or Vidic or Rio a rest or two, and thrown him into the mix. But that didn't happen - he has barely played, and when he did, he didn't make any of our back 4 worried about their place in the team. He seems ambitious, and did an excellent job for Zaragoza in Spain last season. I believe they were offering us 7m for him over the summer. Is that right? Ferguson wanted to see if he could turn into a United player, so he kept him around this year. But seeing how little he's played...I think they'll be looking for Spanish offers for him over the summer, since he's already shown he can play in that league. Perhaps he's better suited to La Liga anyway. Evans I've barely seen. Hear good things about him. But my guess is he'll get what Pique got this season - a chance to show that he has a future here. He can probably afford to be a bit more patient than Pique, since he can keep a place in his national squad as a backup at United, he came up with the club, and there isn't another league somewhere else where he might suspect he'd be more welcome, and more effective. Seems to be doing well at Sunderland, although I only hear that stuff second or third hand. Certainly can play in the Premiership if he's doing it competently already. Anyway those are my guesses.

27th March 2008, 11:39	#22 (permalink)
CnutOfAllCnuts Bald Boring Cnut Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 16,865	I think Pique will leave this summer. Probably for his best.

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Pogue Mahone Dr Death wasting tax payers money on the Caf all day Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "As relaxed and natural on the park as a dog chasing a piece of silver paper in the wind" Posts: 9,103	I think a lot of you are ignoring the age of these young lads. The fact that they are even close to Premier League standard at the age they are is a testament to their abilities. Playing in central defence, consistency is key. And that's exactly what you don't get from young lads in their late teens/early 20s. They can't expect to be making a play for a regular start at MUFC until after they hit their mid to late 20s, at which time they will have ironed out all the flaws that make them look a bit vulnerable from time to time. Meanwhile, the odd game here and there will bring em along nicely.

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Bilbo Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,645	Pique doesn't seem made for English football, from the little I've seen of him. Evans - I'm continually impressed with. Think he could have a big future.

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Elliott Likes Loan Stickies Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,405	I think Pique will be off in the summer and we'll get quite a bit of money for him. He might be used as part exchange in we go for a player from Spain. Evans seems to be playing better and better for Sunderland and I reckon he'll be here next season, especially if SAF rates him as a better prospect than O'Shea. Like Sheasy, Evans can play all across the back four. Though not at the same time.

27th March 2008, 12:26	#30 (permalink)
park fiction Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In Hesky Wonderland Posts: 824	Thing is though, Pique can play RB, CB or midfield. Evans, whilst a very very good player, can only play CB. I see Pique getting more of a chance due to his versatility.