Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

Lynk · 15th October 2011, 20:41

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Originally Posted by raisa84045

Just thinking about it, does Liverpool have any "black" players in their squad (I can't recall any ATM)? Would have been interesting on the training ground if proven true!

I doubt Evra would make shit like this up, knowing how serious this issue/allegation is. I hope that cheating twat gets a 6 month ban if true.

Glen Johnson

ArmchairCritic · 15th October 2011, 20:42

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Originally Posted by Snow

It's not doubtful. When there's a corner I imagine there are two cameras pointing at the corner, one shot is wide and the rest of the cameras that follow the game are in the box. They had at least two cameras well zoomed in around De Gea because there was always a lot of action there and that's where Evra and Suarez were clashing.
Just because it didn't show on tele doesn't mean that they don't have it on tape.

Since it's a racist remark claim than the FA will definitely look into it as the league prides itself of being clear of racism and having a zero tolerance policy on it. I don't think they can ban him from hearsay and video alone. If no one else but Evra heard it I don't think anything can be done.

Yeah see my edit, there's so much going on in a game you don't notice it but Evra was pissed and although I hope it's not true I trust Patrice and it wouldn't suprise if Suarez did do such a thing.

bsc · 15th October 2011, 20:42

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Originally Posted by Man-United

If the ref heard it, shouldn't he sent Suarez off or was it the linesman who heard it?

There's no way the ref could have heard it.

The altercation took place on the goal line and, when a corner is being taken, the ref stands around the edge of the box to get a good view.

Wowi · 15th October 2011, 20:43

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Exactly. He's played hundreds (I think?) of games for us and never played the race card before. Why start now?

Not during a game, but didn't he accuse the groundsman at Stamford of making racist comments?

wr8_utd · 15th October 2011, 20:43

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Originally Posted by prateik

If the ref had heard anything, he wouldve sent the player off

It's Suarez. Nothing goes against him and he only ever wins fouls. And send off a Liverpool player at Anfield in this game?

Red Dreams · 15th October 2011, 20:43

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Originally Posted by rednev

I haven't suggested that he's making it up. I've recognised the possibility that he misheard whatever it was Suarez said to him, especially if it was said in Suarez's native tongue. All we have at the moment is an accusation, to presume guilt without any evidence is unreasonable.

you are stretching. Evra would not make such accusations without understanding the words.

...or it is possible Suarez was asking for Evra's shirt after the match

ArmchairCritic · 15th October 2011, 20:44

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Originally Posted by Wowi

Not during a game, but didn't he accuse the groundsman at Stamford of making racist comments?

Yup but that's a bit more difficult to prove using CCTV, it was effectively our word against Chelsea's, he ended up getting a 4 game ban for that as well didn't he?

Spoony Youngblood · 15th October 2011, 20:44

Thing is Rednev thinks the N word is fair game.

Wowi · 15th October 2011, 20:44

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Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

Woah people let's clarify a few things. Evra said the ref's aware, this could mean Evra told the ref not that the ref heard. Also there is no proof the camera's caught it, Evra is simply saying that Suarez said it 10 times and he expects a camera to have caught it which is doubtful as I believe the incident happened at a set piece.

EDIT: It appears it may have indeed been caught as per Feeky's post with the pic. Evra looks ready to spark him there.

Pretty sure that's the case.

Adzzz · 15th October 2011, 20:45

We know Suarez character, I certainly wouldn't put it past him and I certainly don't believe Paddy Evra is lieing. No doubt the FA will totally bottle this regardless.

Utd heap · 15th October 2011, 20:46

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Originally Posted by wr8_utd

It's Suarez. Nothing goes against him and he only ever wins fouls. And send off a Liverpool player at Anfield in this game?

Too much petty shite like this in here.

'IF' which seems likely there was a racist comment, i do not think for one minute the Ref would turn a complete blind eye.

To suggest because it's to do with Anfield, or because it's a certain player is childish nonsense.

Sir A1ex · 15th October 2011, 20:47

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Originally Posted by raisa84045

does Liverpool have any "black" players in their squad

Why the quote marks... do you suspect they may have some who have blacked up or something?

Red Dreams · 15th October 2011, 20:47

we usually do good profile studies of players before we buy them.

Fergie must have found out about this other side of the diving cheating scum...and so he joins...the scums.

Feeky_Magee · 15th October 2011, 20:47

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Greater Manchester Police have informed Liverpool they will not be taking any action against Steve Finnan following allegations that he racially abused Manchester United defender Patrice Evra.

The incident being investigated followed complaints by lip-readers watching the televised Premiership clash at Old Trafford on January 22. Finnan had just given away a free-kick, which led to Rio Ferdinand's winning goal. Evra did not raise any complaints, although he was aware of the allegations.

The Liverpool defender vehemently denied the accusations and video evidence sanctioned by the Anfield club supported that view and now the police have dropped the case.

A Liverpool spokesman said: "Obviously we welcome the news. Our own analysis of the television footage proved there was no evidence to back up these claims. It's very unfortunate that Steve's good name has been dragged through the mud in the meantime and we are glad this matter has now been resolved."

Finnan cleared of racist taunting | Football | guardian.co.uk

For those who think he may be making allegations for the sake of it.

LARulz · 15th October 2011, 20:48

I was just thinking that if he said it, or one of the times he did was in the box for the corner, would others not have heard it and got pissed at Suarez too?

If he did say it but the others didn't hear then I'm not sure how we can expect the ref or linesman to hear.

Scrumpet · 15th October 2011, 20:48

Big if I know, but what action would likely be taken if the accusation is proven?

Wowi · 15th October 2011, 20:48

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Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

Yup but that's a bit more difficult to prove using CCTV, it was effectively our word against Chelsea's, he ended up getting a 4 game ban for that as well didn't he?

That he did.

People suggesting that Marriner would've ignored it if he had heard it seriously need to get a grip. No referee would let that slide. He'd never get to ref a game again if found out.

holdsteady · 15th October 2011, 20:48

So biting, cheating, and, now, racism.

He makes Biscuits likeable.

ArmchairCritic · 15th October 2011, 20:49

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Originally Posted by LARulz

I was just thinking that if he said it, or one of the times he did was in the box for the corner, would others not have heard it and got pissed at Suarez too?

If he did say it but the others didn't hear then I'm not sure how we can expect the ref or linesman to hear.

I don't know, there's a lot of chatter in the box in a variety of languages. Suarez doesn't have to say it loud if Evra's marking him does he?

Tibs · 15th October 2011, 20:50

Evra's getting banned

Ish84045 · 15th October 2011, 20:51

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Originally Posted by Sir A1ex

Why the quote marks... do you suspect they may have some who have blacked up or something?

Yeah, the quotes are supposed to include albinos like Kuyt and Bellamy.

Seriously though, no real "meaning" behind the quotes.

Olly · 15th October 2011, 20:51

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Originally Posted by Feeky_Magee

I believe this is the moment of the incident. Looking at my own video of it, Suarez appears to mouth the 'N word'. Perhaps Olly or prateik could put together a GIF.

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Originally Posted by Sir A1ex

Why the quote marks... do you suspect they may have some who have blacked up or something?

Wowi · 15th October 2011, 20:52

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Originally Posted by LARulz

I was just thinking that if he said it, or one of the times he did was in the box for the corner, would others not have heard it and got pissed at Suarez too?

If he did say it but the others didn't hear then I'm not sure how we can expect the ref or linesman to hear.

I don't think anyone is expecting any of the officials to hear it. There's plenty of opportunities during a match to say something to an opponent without no one else hearing it. Hopefully it has been caught on camera IF true.

Waltraute · 15th October 2011, 20:53

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Originally Posted by rednev

I haven't suggested that he's making it up. I've recognised the possibility that he misheard

Misheard, misinterpreted...

Always the same shit.
Yeah, Patrice Evra -- the naïve little lamb, unaccustomed to the English game & the English language, probably misheard & misinterpreted!
Do me a favour!

LARulz · 15th October 2011, 20:53

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Originally Posted by ArmchairCritic

I don't know, there's a lot of chatter in the box in a variety of language. Suarez doesn't have to say it loud if Evra's marking him does he?

No, but what I'm mainly trying to say is the referee may not have heard it himself but Evra just told him and therefore I doubt the referee can back him up.

The referee will not really have much of an impact on this if he didn't actually hear it.

duffer · 15th October 2011, 20:53

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Originally Posted by Garethw

Didn't John Terry get away with something similar when tevez was a united player?

I think he called him an "argie". Whether you think that's similar to calling someone a nigger is down to opinion I guess.

WR · 15th October 2011, 20:54

Can't see it clearly there from the gif.

One is Uruguian and one's French. I did wonder what language they were communicating in. Even if it does look like Suarez is saying what Evra claims, he can always use the language barrier excuse

rednev · 15th October 2011, 20:56

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Originally Posted by Waltraute

Misheard, misinterpreted...

Always the same shit.
Yeah, Patrice Evra -- the naïve little lamb, unaccustomed to the English game & the English language, probably misheard & misinterpreted!
Do me a favour!

I haven't said that he probably misheard/misinterpreted what was said, I've just recognised the possibility.

Learn to read, please.

Red Dreams · 15th October 2011, 20:56

I would like the cunt to explain what he was really saying.

our supporters will give him some choice words to chew over when comes to Manchester.

give him a warm welcome lads....

wr8_utd · 15th October 2011, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Spoony Youngblood

Thing is Rednev thinks the N word is fair game.

He's just trying to have a different view to everyone else...again.

Boss · 15th October 2011, 20:57

That's it...

move over Barton, Suarez now tops my cunt list, oh it's on now.

LARulz · 15th October 2011, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Wayne_Rooney

Can't see it clearly there from the gif.

One is Uruguian and one's French. I did wonder what language they were communicating in. Even if it does look like Suarez is saying what Evra claims, he can always use the language barrier excuse

Evra speaks Spanish I think, so I assume in Spanish rather than English.

Can't tell clearly from the gif but hopefully this is properly looked into as it can't be ignored.

Red Dreams · 15th October 2011, 20:57

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Originally Posted by rednev

I haven't said that he probably misheard/misinterpreted what was said, I've just recognised the possibility.

Learn to read, please.

it is also possible the world may end tomorrow....

...not likely though

Ole's_toe_poke · 15th October 2011, 20:58

Doubt there's enough evidence to do anything.

Waltraute · 15th October 2011, 20:58

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Originally Posted by Wayne_Rooney

Can't see it clearly there from the gif.

One is Uruguian and one's French. I did wonder what language they were communicating in. Even if it does look like Suarez is saying what Evra claims, he can always use the language barrier excuse

No, he can't. He said what he said.
Pure fucking racism.

Either the FA deal with it or we know what their 'Oh! We despise racism in the game!'-stance is really worth. Absolutely nothing.

wr8_utd · 15th October 2011, 20:59

Has anyone said that Evra's getting a 4 match ban?

Adzzz · 15th October 2011, 21:00

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Originally Posted by rednev

I haven't said that he probably misheard/misinterpreted what was said, I've just recognised the possibility.

Learn to read, please.

For what it's worth Waltruate is one of the most intelligent posters on these boards, secondly, you don't hear the N word wrong. Especially when you're convinced enough to take it to the press.

Ole's_toe_poke · 15th October 2011, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Waltraute

No, he can't. He said what he said.
Pure fucking racism.

Either the FA deal with it or we know what their 'Oh! We despise racism in the game!'-stance is really worth. Absolutely nothing.

And what exactly did he say?

Red Dreams · 15th October 2011, 21:00

this is major and the FA if they want to have any credibility, will have to investigate.

I'm going to enjoy this.

Boss · 15th October 2011, 21:02

When Evra says a 'certain word' was said to him.

I know immediately what he's talking about. A word that a dunce like Suarez certainly knows about. I hope something is done about this.

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LARulz First Team Sub Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 5,311	I was just thinking that if he said it, or one of the times he did was in the box for the corner, would others not have heard it and got pissed at Suarez too? If he did say it but the others didn't hear then I'm not sure how we can expect the ref or linesman to hear.

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holdsteady Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 4,403	So biting, cheating, and, now, racism. He makes Biscuits likeable.

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WR Formerly Wayne_Rooney Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SM: Milwall Posts: 8,823	Can't see it clearly there from the gif. One is Uruguian and one's French. I did wonder what language they were communicating in. Even if it does look like Suarez is saying what Evra claims, he can always use the language barrier excuse

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Red Dreams First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Thunder Road to Old Trafford Posts: 23,454	I would like the cunt to explain what he was really saying. our supporters will give him some choice words to chew over when comes to Manchester. give him a warm welcome lads....

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Boss Melodramatic, attention seeking space-attacker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: I left you with enough memories to resurrect me with Posts: 24,283	When Evra says a 'certain word' was said to him. I know immediately what he's talking about. A word that a dunce like Suarez certainly knows about. I hope something is done about this.