Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

Sultan · 21st December 2011, 09:28

Evra should bring a case against LFC for defamation of character.

kps88 · 21st December 2011, 09:29

I don't blame Liverpool fans for their reaction. They're taking their cue from the club they support. Hard not to get riled up and all siege mentality like when the club puts out such a loaded, "we're the victim" statement. Blame lies solely on the irresponsible statement put out.

Maajid · 21st December 2011, 09:30

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Originally Posted by kps88

In the middle of a debate with a Liverpool fan, can someone help me out on the following points:

1. Trying to find quotes from Suarez where he admits to using the word negro/negarito. All I can find are the "I called him something all his team mates call him" quotes, but no direct reference to negro/negarito. Has his admission only come from sources and journos? Any official source confirming his admission?

2. Why hasn't there been a police investigation, a la Terry, in this case?

I couldn't find a direct quote from Suarez but here's his countryman Gus Poyet defending him, which would mean that there was an admission somewhere along the line. As far as Terry and the Police investigation goes, I'm puzzled by it as well. As Pexbo said last night, this is a criminal case and should be treated as such.

Sultan · 21st December 2011, 09:31

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Originally Posted by golden_blunder

I still dont see why anyone can argue against this, other than possibly the size of the sentence?

I mean, at the end of the day, 3 independant people, including a QC, decided that there was enough evidence to decide that Suarez was guilty as charged. They have obviously heard or seen something that we are not privy too. They wouldn't commit to something that they couldn't stand over legally.

Quite. They will have had high profile barristers checking out every possible scenario.

StuCol101 · 21st December 2011, 09:33

The Terry incident was also reported to the police by a member of the public. The Evra incident was not.

StuCol101 · 21st December 2011, 09:35

What are these other incidents Evra was reportedly involved in?

There was the Chelsea one at Stamford Bridge, but it was Mike Phelan that reported that iirc.

Ixion · 21st December 2011, 09:35

I doubt Suarez is going to try and wind any other black player up by calling them a "negrito" so job done by the FA I'd say. Now just throw the book at Terry and that should do plenty to stop other players trying similar shit in the future.

Sally Cinnamon · 21st December 2011, 09:36

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Originally Posted by Oggmonster

I don't think many would to be honest and it's not just a Liverpool/United thing either. Dalglish has really shot himself in the foot here. Fair enough you can support your player but the way Liverpool have gone about it really is shocking.

They simply should of refused to comment all along, I don't think I've heard Fergie or anyone at United mention it once since it was brought up originally and I don't even think Evra has. Any press conference Kenny Dalglish does he seems to somhow come to the defence of Suarez.

Whilst I don't agree with some reactions such as he should of been suspended immediatley (as that pretty much confirms his guilt) I seriously think the statement and how Kenny Dalglish has handled all this is really poorly done.

The simple fact is they've got someone who is charged with racism on their books. I don't expect him to be sacked or anything like that but the fact they come across as condoning the whole think and actually pitying Suarez is pretty shocking from a club of that size and reputation. They've actually seemingly gone for an attitude that people are picking on them (and that's something Dalglish has done all season with his them and us attitude towards refs etc) and questioned why Evra isn't banned for a couple of insulting words...isn't this the same club who's same manager told another (and one who is hugely respected) to "fuck off" about 6 months ago and was caught on TV? Hardly a saint himself really. If you're banning people for harmless name calling then I imagine 22 players would be banned every game.

Finally that desperate attempt they do to make out he's not racist cos he knows black people is just a brilliant form of ignorance. Next they'll be defending Collymore for not beating up his wife years ago cos he's got a mum who's a woman.

They way they've dealt with this is a fucking embarrassment. I still can't believe how laughable the official statement is. Mockney's post on it is brilliant.

I've never liked Dalglish but had a deal of respect for him for what he's done in his career but he's come out of this looking a complete twat. The club have let themselves down massively with this whole thing.

Oh, and can someone just ban redman, the cunt.

Talking Vulture · 21st December 2011, 09:37

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I don't blame Liverpool fans for their reaction. They're taking their cue from the club they support. Hard not to get riled up and all siege mentality like when the club puts out such a loaded, "we're the victim" statement. Blame lies solely on the irresponsible statement put out.

Why don't you blame them? Surely they can see that racism isn't acceptable, no matter what shite the club issue on a statement?

Spoony Youngblood · 21st December 2011, 09:39

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Originally Posted by sammsky1

It was funny yesterday.

But this morning, I don't even thinks its cringeworthy ... I think its far more sinister.

Thousands of scousers now wound up to the hilt and intent on 'battle'. This could lead to the mother of all football related violence that we saw back in the 80s at our next fixtures and all around the most dangerous of subjects: race.

He may not realize (or maybe he does) but King Kenny has just become a pin up for for the BNP & EDL .... I'd imagine every BNP & EDL office in the country will be using Liverpool's 'fighting spirit' as a tool of motivate its members into further inspired action at their next event. Maybe King Kenny see's a lucrative side income on the 'lecture circuit' inspiring this mob up and dwn the country.

I doubt LFC's American owners are happy... How can they be? see that's what I can't quite fathom, did they let Kenny shoot his mouth off? and didn't they see Liverpool's ignominious statement? They look bad...not sure if it's even possible to repair the damage, but a bit of backtracking...then subsequently holding their hands up and giving Suarez a fine or something would be the way to go. Kenny did say whoever's found quilty should rightfully be punished or words close to that. Time for him prove his words weren't hollow.

jojojo · 21st December 2011, 09:42

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Originally Posted by Sir A1ex

This is the thing for me... If LFC and their supporters were saying "look, the guy made a mistake, we think the punishment is a bit too harsh, he's not actually a racist and he's learned a head lesson, we will support him going forwards" I could understand that.

But instead they are acting disgracefully.

Indeed. They've made it impossible to do a meaningful apology. They can't claim now that it was a heat of the moment slip into a way of speaking that wouldn't have caused offence in his own country. There's no attempt to say he was wrong, or that he's "learned his lesson" or that he'll never do it again. An appeal for mitigating circumstances and talk about anti-racism training might have given them a chance to argue the length of the ban.

As it is is, they've done Suarez no favours and if the FA backs down in any way now, it'll be seen as an act of weakness.

finneh · 21st December 2011, 09:46

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Originally Posted by sammsky1

Do we have any lawyers on this board?

Given the FAs decision, how does the LFC statement further break the law?

Is there further action the FA could take for breaking any more of their rules?

I'd say the main potential breach made by that statement is accusing Evra of bringing similar (false) accusations before. I'd say that Evra could pursue a personal compensatory claim for libel. Liverpool have made a statement that it could be argued would make a "reasonable man or right-thinking member of society" lower their estimation of Evra. I could see him being successful tbh. There are many reasonable people who would read an official club statement and take the word of it as absolute fact and by definition what they have said could and would lead to many thinking less of Evra (we have already seen many, many fans attempting to portrait Evra as a serial "boy-who-cried-wolf", this will hugely perpetuate the issue).

Liverpool could argue that they believed this to be true based on true "facts" published previously, but this wouldn't hold any water imo as even if it were the case, they were negligent in not researching the truth.

Sultan · 21st December 2011, 09:46

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Originally Posted by Spoony Youngblood

I doubt LFC's American owners are happy... How can they be? see that's what I can't quite fathom, did they let Kenny shoot his mouth off? and didn't they see Liverpool's ignominious statement? They look bad...not sure if it's even possible to repair the damage, but a bit of backtracking...then subsequently holding their hands up and giving Suarez a fine or something would be the way to go. Kenny did say whoever's found quilty should rightfully be punished or words close to that. Time for him prove his words weren't hollow.

The only way they can backtrack on this is blame an internal guy for publishing the official statement on his own accord, and shift him/her. Something similar to what the CEO had tried at the Coms, before being sacked by the Mansour.

Spoony Youngblood · 21st December 2011, 09:51

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Originally Posted by Sultan

The only way they can backtrack on this is blame an internal guy for publishing a statement on his own accord, and shift him/her. Something similar to what the CEO had tried at the Coms, before being sacked by the Mansour.

That wouldn't explain Daglish's stance throughout the affair. They have to hold their hands up...and admit to making a balls up.

'I think people and media can be forgiving to those who are looking for redemption' - Sultan.

Maajid · 21st December 2011, 09:54

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Originally Posted by Sultan

The only way they can backtrack on this is blame an internal guy for publishing the official statement on his own accord, and shift him/her. Something similar to what the CEO had tried at the Coms, before being sacked by the Mansour.

That would make sense for them as their next step, but what would the implications be as far as their "saviours of LFC" reputation with the Liverpool fans is concerned? They'd be accused of bottling it, 'The Liverpool Way' will be referred to and some might go as far as saying they've sold the soul of the club.

noodlehair · 21st December 2011, 09:56

They wont backtrack.

They'll have to appeal and insist innocence to the hilt. They've given themselves no choice with their behaviour throughout, which is daft as their defence is based on the reliability of Evra's testimony, and on whether what Suarez said was actually racist in context...both of these arguments cancel out the credibility of the other.

It's astonishing how thick people involved in football are.

Bryan_Munich · 21st December 2011, 10:00

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Originally Posted by StuCol101

What are these other incidents Evra was reportedly involved in?

There was the Chelsea one at Stamford Bridge, but it was Mike Phelan that reported that iirc.

They don't exist.

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Originally Posted by Aporkalypse

A "journalist" from the official Liverpool site failed to do any research, let the story get momentum, then claimed it was an experiment in misinformation.

I wish I was kidding.

EDIT:

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Originally Posted by Kristian Walsh

Patrice Evra has accused racism of three players before today. All three have been cleared.

In conclusion: the Evra tweet was a fallacy. I’m an idiot.

Makes it all the more annoying that I've just heard Steve Staunton on the radio shouting his mouth off stating that Evra has a 'chequered past'.

Smores · 21st December 2011, 10:01

I'm actually annoyed more by Liverpool and it's fans reactions to this than what Suarez said in the first place. We expect Suarez to be a cunt and he had reason to try and wind Evra up, I find the views of Liverpool FC and it's many fans to be utterly shameful and irresponsible.

They'd done damage to their reputation with this as it's seemingly not just us United fans that find this deplorable.

Donkey's Ears · 21st December 2011, 10:02

Amazed so far by the lack of direct criticism of Liverpool's approach. Particularly so, given how we got slammed for our handling of the Rio incident which was far less inflammatory.

Pexbo · 21st December 2011, 10:04

Some Liverpool fan on Facebook:

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Lets get ranting. F.A, lets hope u carry on your strict anti racism bollocks by banning that prick terry for the same time. and evra, lets describe u u ******* ***** ****** ****, how dont u **** off **** ** **** *** ******* and die quietly. fill in the missings as u see fit.

A scousers reply:

Very True, Terry Did exactly the same thing..not that suarez did anything at all

Terry did exactly the same thing! Not that Suarez did anything at all!

NJ1979 · 21st December 2011, 10:06

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Originally Posted by Pexbo

Some Liverpool fan on Facebook:
Terry did exactly the same thing! Not that Suarez did anything at all!

They're genuinely nuts.

kps88 · 21st December 2011, 10:06

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Originally Posted by Donkey's Ears

Amazed so far by the lack of direct criticism of Liverpool's approach. Particularly so, given how we got slammed for our handling of the Rio incident which was far less inflammatory.

Yep. Surprised no one in the press has taken up Liverpool on their statement.

R_Kelly · 21st December 2011, 10:07

'anti racism bollocks', brilliant. Then wishing death on Evra, they're a classy bunch.

King_Eric · 21st December 2011, 10:07

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Originally Posted by StuCol101

What are these other incidents Evra was reportedly involved in?

There was the Chelsea one at Stamford Bridge, but it was Mike Phelan that reported that iirc.

And there's the Finnan case, where the accusations came from some supporters in the stadium. Evra even stated never hearing the alledged racial abuse.

noodlehair · 21st December 2011, 10:09

and besides, I've got it on good authority that Suarez qualified his remarks with "I'm not a racist but...", which as we all know makes everything ok.

Crustanoid · 21st December 2011, 10:10

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Repercussions of Luis Suárez case could be far-reaching for Liverpool
Luis Suárez's ban is a massive setback for Liverpool, whose manager has taken a risk in defending him so vigorously

Kenny Dalglish said recently that he did not measure Luis Suárez's value to Liverpool in terms of goals and you could not dispute his argument. The 24-year-old has meant far more than that to Liverpool since he arrived for £22.8m from Ajax in January and the repercussions of his eight‑match ban from the Football Association, and the reasons for it, will also be far‑reaching at Anfield.

Suárez has scored five Premier League goals for Liverpool this season but that statistic does not begin to explain his importance. His goals, his assists and his breathtaking skill are the fundamental reason why Liverpool swiftly moved on from what appeared at the time at least to be the agonising departure of Fernando Torres to Chelsea. He is why, this season, in a division of increased competition and quality at the top of the Premier League, Dalglish's men harbour genuine ambitions of returning to the Champions League following a two-year absence.

Now they may have to do without him for a demanding new year period when Steven Gerrard is recovering from injury and Andy Carroll struggles to show why Liverpool sent £35m of the £50m Torres transfer fee in the direction of Newcastle United. His loss represents a devastating setback to Liverpool on the football field but the consequences of their Uruguay international being found guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra do not end there.

Liverpool, and Dalglish in particular, have been staunch defenders of Suárez against the racism charge from the moment it was first aired by Evra to Canal Plus after the 1-1 draw between Liverpool and Manchester United on 15 October. They said in their statement, following the decision: "It is our strong belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suárez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible."

Defending your own is par for the course at a football club, and an unwritten rule in Dalglish's eyes, and he was quick to declare that "everyone at the club is totally and utterly behind Luis Suárez", a point the club reiterated in its statement. After the decision, he tweeted: "Very disappointed with today's verdict. This is the time when @luis16suarez needs our full support. Let's not let him walk alone. KD." Dalglish's position provided a contrast to Sir Alex Ferguson who, in one of his few utterances on the subject, stressed the difficulties that confronted both clubs and, in turn, the three-man independent panel, who started their hearing last Wednesday, to reach a verdict. "It's not an easy one because everyone knows that Manchester United and Liverpool have great responsibilities in terms of what happens on the field," said the United manager days after the Anfield game.

"I thought Saturday's game was terrific game and both sets of fans were good, there was none of the silly chanting we've heard in previous years and both sets of supporters deserve praise for that. It's not something that we want to level at Liverpool, and it's not against Liverpool. Obviously Patrice feels very aggrieved at what was said to him."

Dalglish has taken a risk in defending Suárez so vigorously and so frequently in the 10 weeks since the controversy erupted. Liverpool, their manager and owners, are active supporters of anti‑racism initiatives and it will sit badly with John W Henry and the Fenway Sports Group in Boston to have a player of Suárez's profile found guilty of racist abuse.

Liverpool may not have to contend with just punishment from the FA either. Speaking on a local Liverpool radio station on Saturday, Luther Blissett, the former Watford and Milan striker who now works as an ambassador for Show Racism the Red Card, raised the prospect of legal action.

Blissett said: "If Suárez is found guilty then you have got to look at supporters who have been found guilty of this sort of thing and people have gone to jail for it. If that is the case, you could anticipate the same sort of thing happening to him. You look at his profile, and people label sportsmen in the public eye as a role model, then it is doubly important they do something about it. If he's found guilty of this then he should be treated just like everybody else. You've got to abide by the law of the land. It doesn't matter how much money you have, the law is the law."

Repercussions of Luis Suárez case could be far-reaching for Liverpool | Football | The Guardian

Sally Cinnamon · 21st December 2011, 10:12

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Originally Posted by Pexbo

Some Liverpool fan on Facebook:

Terry did exactly the same thing! Not that Suarez did anything at all!

i'm laughing, but it's actually just fucking sad.

Eyepopper · 21st December 2011, 10:14

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Originally Posted by redman5

But this has been an MUFC v LFC thing right from the outset. The racism aspect has simply been a mere by-product of our hatred/rivalry. A stick to use in our ongoing, long-running, feud.

I seriously doubt that if Luis Suarez had still been an Ajax player, & had the same altercation with Evra during a United v Ajax match, we'd have seen, or heard, your man claiming he was racially abused - Someone alluded to this point earlier on in the thread. But Evra was being 'arsey' well before the Suarez incident. He even got stroppy at losing the toss prior to the kick-off. So all this stuff about our guy winding up Evra is absolute bollocks.

Haven't 'the guy' and your club admitted Suarez said what Evra claimed and only disputed the intention?

I don't think it's been a Liverpool vs Utd thing at all, well not from our side anyway, Utd haven't said much bar Evra feeling he had to make a complaint and that the club would support him. Your club on the otherhand have been and continue to be a bit of an embarrassment.

MPTutd · 21st December 2011, 10:14

As Boris Johnson once so elegantly put it, Liverpool is a self-pity city.

smallred · 21st December 2011, 10:16

liverpools statement shows the club up as a vile, bitter and self obsessed pack of hypocrites.

disgusting from them, though expected no better or less.

Judge Red · 21st December 2011, 10:18

Sepp Blatter might have been on to something. Maybe they should have shook hands because Liverpool and their fans now seem intent on turning this into a war. It won't end well when they see us as the enemy. I agree with those who say they wouldn't have reacted like this if it had been a player from any other club.

Oh well, there's nothing we, the FA or anyone else can do in the face of such stupidity. They just have to be left to get on with shaming themselves. Nothing's gonna change the fact that Suarez has admitted to what the FA has found him guilty of.

IrishLegend · 21st December 2011, 10:22

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0943 Suarez issue has already got bloggers' creative juices flowing - this is from Bearded Genius on the FCF

From the Telegraph today.

That our BG?

Talking Vulture · 21st December 2011, 10:22

It wasnt that. Some deaf dude said he lipread Finnan on the TV.
Evra dismissed this immediately, like everyone else did apart from the scousers

Hectic · 21st December 2011, 10:24

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Originally Posted by redman5

But you were quite happy to support Cantona for attacking an opposition supporter.

Oh do fuck off with your moral superiority complex. If the shoe was on the other foot you'd be backing your man to the hilt on this one.

Fuck off redman, you've been a shambles in this thread. An absolute embarassment.

I'm always right · 21st December 2011, 10:38

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Originally Posted by redman5

But you were quite happy to support Cantona for attacking an opposition supporter.

Didn't OUR CLUB, the players OWN CLUB ban him instantly for NINE months?

Good comparison nobby!

gooDevil · 21st December 2011, 10:41

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Originally Posted by Sultan

Evra should bring a case against LFC for defamation of character.

I can't help but feel Liverpool or Dalglish should be punished in some way, as a clear message that riling people up like this is dangerous. As a public figure he's held to a higher standard, because of the influence, just like Rooney swearing.

If the FA want to preempt and negative effect of Liverpool's actions, they need to make a clear statement that their approach here was not okay.

Ray Peterson · 21st December 2011, 10:42

Dalglish put himself in a difficult position when he immediately backed Suarez. He has continually tried to defend his man and put pressure on Evra's credibility and it's reached the point where he has the club and the fans towing the same line.
Dalglish has dragged both his own and the clubs reputation down, and unfortunately, I can't see either Dalglish or the club backing down because they've gone too far.
It's a sad situation!

Redlambs · 21st December 2011, 10:45

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Originally Posted by redman5

But this has been an MUFC v LFC thing right from the outset. The racism aspect has simply been a mere by-product of our hatred/rivalry. A stick to use in our ongoing, long-running, feud.

I seriously doubt that if Luis Suarez had still been an Ajax player, & had the same altercation with Evra during a United v Ajax match, we'd have seen, or heard, your man claiming he was racially abused - Someone alluded to this point earlier on in the thread. But Evra was being 'arsey' well before the Suarez incident. He even got stroppy at losing the toss prior to the kick-off. So all this stuff about our guy winding up Evra is absolute bollocks.

No wonder the likes of Benetiz and Queen Kenny get you lot under the thumb so easily. You're all thick as shit!

Racists too going by the fine display you've all made of yourselves.

SharkyMcShark · 21st December 2011, 10:45

Daniel Taylor from the Guardian last night said he had unequivocal information that the epithet used by Suarez was 'negro', not 'negrito', for whoever was arguing the point with a scouser

smallred · 21st December 2011, 10:46

i hope terry is found innocent today. it would take this, into epic overdrive proportions.

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21st December 2011, 09:28	#3201 (permalink)
Sultan السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: It is better for a leader to make a mistake in forgiving than to make a mistake in punishing Posts: 31,452	Evra should bring a case against LFC for defamation of character.

21st December 2011, 09:29	#3202 (permalink)
kps88 First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Coventry (SM) Posts: 8,712	I don't blame Liverpool fans for their reaction. They're taking their cue from the club they support. Hard not to get riled up and all siege mentality like when the club puts out such a loaded, "we're the victim" statement. Blame lies solely on the irresponsible statement put out.

21st December 2011, 09:33	#3205 (permalink)
StuCol101 First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rochdale Posts: 5,018	The Terry incident was also reported to the police by a member of the public. The Evra incident was not.

21st December 2011, 09:35	#3206 (permalink)
StuCol101 First Team Sub Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rochdale Posts: 5,018	What are these other incidents Evra was reportedly involved in? There was the Chelsea one at Stamford Bridge, but it was Mike Phelan that reported that iirc.

21st December 2011, 09:35	#3207 (permalink)
Ixion First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,872	I doubt Suarez is going to try and wind any other black player up by calling them a "negrito" so job done by the FA I'd say. Now just throw the book at Terry and that should do plenty to stop other players trying similar shit in the future.

21st December 2011, 09:56	#3216 (permalink)
noodlehair "It's like..." Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Flagg Posts: 2,095	They wont backtrack. They'll have to appeal and insist innocence to the hilt. They've given themselves no choice with their behaviour throughout, which is daft as their defence is based on the reliability of Evra's testimony, and on whether what Suarez said was actually racist in context...both of these arguments cancel out the credibility of the other. It's astonishing how thick people involved in football are.

21st December 2011, 10:01	#3218 (permalink)
Smores First Team Sub Join Date: May 2011 Location: Dark side of the moon Posts: 6,452	I'm actually annoyed more by Liverpool and it's fans reactions to this than what Suarez said in the first place. We expect Suarez to be a cunt and he had reason to try and wind Evra up, I find the views of Liverpool FC and it's many fans to be utterly shameful and irresponsible. They'd done damage to their reputation with this as it's seemingly not just us United fans that find this deplorable.

21st December 2011, 10:02	#3219 (permalink)
Donkey's Ears Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,604	Amazed so far by the lack of direct criticism of Liverpool's approach. Particularly so, given how we got slammed for our handling of the Rio incident which was far less inflammatory.

21st December 2011, 10:07	#3223 (permalink)
R_Kelly No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: How do you expect to run with the wolves come night, when you spend all day sparring with the puppies? Posts: 38,660	'anti racism bollocks', brilliant. Then wishing death on Evra, they're a classy bunch.

21st December 2011, 10:09	#3225 (permalink)
noodlehair "It's like..." Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Flagg Posts: 2,095	and besides, I've got it on good authority that Suarez qualified his remarks with "I'm not a racist but...", which as we all know makes everything ok.

21st December 2011, 10:14	#3229 (permalink)
MPTutd Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: London Posts: 3,963	As Boris Johnson once so elegantly put it, Liverpool is a self-pity city.

21st December 2011, 10:16	#3230 (permalink)
smallred Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 816	liverpools statement shows the club up as a vile, bitter and self obsessed pack of hypocrites. disgusting from them, though expected no better or less.

21st December 2011, 10:18	#3231 (permalink)
Judge Red Don't Call Me Douglas Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,145	Sepp Blatter might have been on to something. Maybe they should have shook hands because Liverpool and their fans now seem intent on turning this into a war. It won't end well when they see us as the enemy. I agree with those who say they wouldn't have reacted like this if it had been a player from any other club. Oh well, there's nothing we, the FA or anyone else can do in the face of such stupidity. They just have to be left to get on with shaming themselves. Nothing's gonna change the fact that Suarez has admitted to what the FA has found him guilty of.

21st December 2011, 10:22	#3233 (permalink)
Talking Vulture Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,469	It wasnt that. Some deaf dude said he lipread Finnan on the TV. Evra dismissed this immediately, like everyone else did apart from the scousers

21st December 2011, 10:42	#3237 (permalink)
Ray Peterson Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: meh Posts: 2,488	Dalglish put himself in a difficult position when he immediately backed Suarez. He has continually tried to defend his man and put pressure on Evra's credibility and it's reached the point where he has the club and the fans towing the same line. Dalglish has dragged both his own and the clubs reputation down, and unfortunately, I can't see either Dalglish or the club backing down because they've gone too far. It's a sad situation!

21st December 2011, 10:45	#3239 (permalink)
SharkyMcShark First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Using location as a tagline: because I'm just not cool enough to have my own. Posts: 18,586	Daniel Taylor from the Guardian last night said he had unequivocal information that the epithet used by Suarez was 'negro', not 'negrito', for whoever was arguing the point with a scouser

21st December 2011, 10:46	#3240 (permalink)
smallred Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 816	i hope terry is found innocent today. it would take this, into epic overdrive proportions.