Fergie on Fletcher...

davisjw · 9th May 2008, 17:07

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Originally Posted by All 3 United

Carrick is 26 and Fletcher is 24. Not much time to improve 10 fold really.

Agree. The lad is behind Carrick, Scholes, Hargreaves and Anderson which makes him fifth and at his age in order to take it to another level he needs to be playing regularly- something we can not offer.

I would dare say a big reason why he is still here is his Scottish heritage..

Either way Fletcher is a far weaker player then Carrick.

Ekeke · 9th May 2008, 17:08

Its true, he really cant cross. And its sad because he's well capable of using fantasic long balls with accuracy. Its just when he gets into the final third with an oppertunity to cross, its incredibly flat and usually fails to beat the first man. Its pretty limp and pathetic.

I do love Fletch though. Quality player. Not enough people see it.

Sam#1 · 9th May 2008, 17:12

'Potentially as good as Carrick'

Don't be silly now.

Anyway, I like Fletcher, he is someone you can rely on to step up when needed, especially for the big games. However, I do feel that in order for his to make the most of his career, he really needs to move on to a club, at which he will be a regular starter.

Longlivekeano · 9th May 2008, 17:15

There are other so called "prodidgees" who were considered surely first team United material & thye have sadly failed to make the grade. These I believe included the likes of Ben Thornley who was described to have the dribbling wizardry of Giggs and the crossing ability of Beckham. However, injuries robbed his career. He went on to play for Norwich or some club like that in the lower league. But in his United youth days, he was considered a gem whose prospects were deemed brighter than the likes of others like Butt, Scholes and the Nevilles

Brad · 9th May 2008, 17:54

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Originally Posted by Longlivekeano

There are other so called "prodidgees" who were considered surely first team United material & thye have sadly failed to make the grade. These I believe included the likes of Ben Thornley who was described to have the dribbling wizardry of Giggs and the crossing ability of Beckham. However, injuries robbed his career. He went on to play for Norwich or some club like that in the lower league. But in his United youth days, he was considered a gem whose prospects were deemed brighter than the likes of others like Butt, Scholes and the Nevilles

That's youth football, you simply can't tell at that level. Some players peak at that stage, some develop later, some don't have the attiutude, the pressure is too much etc all manner of reasons why they don't

I take issue with calling Fletcher a prodigy though. Perhaps he looked like having a good shot at breaking the first team, at a time when few were coming through. But prodigy means something particularly extraordinary, with a talent beyond the norm. Players like Bojan, Messi, Owen etc who look sensational at the lower levels of the game, I can accept being issued with such a tag, because they have something exceptional, their ability to score bucket loads of goals, or a magnificent ability to dribble past thier opponent. Tell me, those who think Fletcher was a prodigy, what his exceptional talents were at that age. And where the bloody hell they dissapeared to since

Instant Karma · 9th May 2008, 19:16

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Originally Posted by All 3 United

Who was supposed to be marking Ballack last week??

Every goal cannot be prevented. Ballack is a class act who drifts into space in the box at the last moment.

Who actually conceded a retarded penalty at the Bridge to allow Chelsea back into the title race ? Where was Carrick exactly for the first goal with his positional brilliance - caught in no mans land once again ?

Every mistake from the likes of Fletcher or Hargreaves always gets highlighted but shite performances from Carrick never do. If we do lose the title, the penalty at the Bridge was perhaps the moment that let Chelsea back in.

Fletcher has good potential and has generally been fantastic in the big games.

KingEric7 · 9th May 2008, 19:24

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Originally Posted by Lady In Red

He can't cross for shit, when he came on against West Ham it was clear he is not a Right Midfielder. Thank God for Ronnie.

Fletcher has gone on to display a more technically astute side to his game and where as he's no Beckham, he can certainly cross a ball. A seem to remember a beautifully waited ball for a Rooney volley against Newcastle the season before last. That was from shite.

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Originally Posted by Instant Karma

Every mistake from the likes of Fletcher or Hargreaves always gets highlighted but shite performances from Carrick never do. If we do lose the title, the penalty at the Bridge was perhaps the moment that let Chelsea back in.

This is a bit silly really. It was a crucial goal but if you analysed every goal in the season in such a fashion, then every player we have would be at fault somewhere along the line. The losses to the likes of Bolton should be questioned before any such result against Chelsea. Carrick has been marvelous in many games this seaon and has really turned it on in the second half of the year. He's done us far more good than bad and i refuse to lay any blame on him should we fail to win the Premiership. The mere thought of doing so seems ridiculous.

Raven_Blade · 9th May 2008, 19:30

Fletcher took his time to adapt to the first team but now he has become a valuable member of our squad. Keep on working hard and improving.

Ferguson · 9th May 2008, 19:34

SAF never calls him a prodigy. He never says Fletcher will replace Beckham or fly up and down the wing.

The journalist did all that hyping.

Ferguson simply said that Fletcher had great balance and that he would be able to peform at the highest level.

Both of those statements have proven to be absolutely correct.

It is the journalists who have to turn every young talent into the next great superstar. As good as Joe Cole is you'd have to consider him an abject failure compared to the way he was hyped as a teenager.

KingEric7 · 9th May 2008, 19:38

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Originally Posted by Ferguson

SAF never calls him a prodigy. He never says Fletcher will replace Beckham or fly up and down the wing.

The journalist did all that hyping.

Ferguson simply said that Fletcher had great balance and that he would be able to peform at the highest level.

Both of those statements have proven to be absolutely correct.

It is the journalists who have to turn every young talent into the next great superstar. As good as Joe Cole is you'd have to consider him an abject failure compared to the way he was hyped as a teenager.

He's probably one of the best wingers in world football when on form and he's playing in an incredibly strong team.
This is no failure when you consider that throughout his career he's had to contend with players such as Wright Phillips, Malouda, Robben, etc....

Instant Karma · 9th May 2008, 19:40

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

This is a bit silly really. It was a crucial goal but if you analysed every goal in the season in such a fashion, then every player we have would be at fault somewhere along the line. The losses to the likes of Bolton should be questioned before any such result against Chelsea. Carrick has been marvelous in many games this seaon and has really turned it on in the second half of the year. He's done us far more good than bad and i refuse to lay any blame on him should we fail to win the Premiership. The mere thought of doing so seems ridiculous.

We will concede goals and will lose games in a season. All teams do and players makes mistakes but there are crucial moments in the games where mistakes could prove costlier.

Every United player gives 100% effort on the pitch and we have played fantastic football. Ideally no one should be blamed, be it Carrick or Fletcher but its more fashionable to slate Fletcher or Hargreaves for smaller faults than the ones that Carrick made.

Instant Karma · 9th May 2008, 19:45

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Originally Posted by KingEric7

He's probably one of the best wingers in world football when on form and he's playing in an incredibly strong team.
This is no failure when you consider that throughout his career he's had to contend with players such as Wright Phillips, Malouda, Robben, etc....

Joe Cole is talented but largely over hyped. His best season in terms of end product is probably no better than Ronnie's so called 'inconsistent, one trick diving pony season' from 3 years ago.

Did Cole ever have as many assists as an 'inconsistent, yet to settle' Nani has had this season?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 9th May 2008, 19:46

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Originally Posted by All 3 United

o............Or attempting to mark Anton Ferdinand from a set piece.

So according to you a midfielder should be marking a center back at a set piece?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 9th May 2008, 19:51

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Originally Posted by All 3 United

Who was supposed to be marking Ballack last week??

Michael Carrick. A man marking nobody and in no mans land when Ballack and Essien made runs towards our box. Runs that precipitated a goal. Not to mention the center backs who watched as Drogba crossed a ball to a wide open Ballack, doing little to block the German's run. Bottom line, it 's madness to blame that goal on one player.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 9th May 2008, 19:54

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Originally Posted by Instant Karma

We will concede goals and will lose games in a season. All teams do and players makes mistakes but there are crucial moments in the games where mistakes could prove costlier.

Every United player gives 100% effort on the pitch and we have played fantastic football. Ideally no one should be blamed, be it Carrick or Fletcher but its more fashionable to slate Fletcher or Hargreaves for smaller faults than the ones that Carrick made.

Spot on

Skholesy · 9th May 2008, 21:45

anyone who gets caught on tv saying "you taking the piss?" to a linesman in a high pitch voice, is a united legend

weso26 · 9th May 2008, 22:30

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Originally Posted by Instant Karma

We will concede goals and will lose games in a season. All teams do and players makes mistakes but there are crucial moments in the games where mistakes could prove costlier.

Every United player gives 100% effort on the pitch and we have played fantastic football. Ideally no one should be blamed, be it Carrick or Fletcher but its more fashionable to slate Fletcher or Hargreaves for smaller faults than the ones that Carrick made.

Exactly. Some people in this forum can see nothing wrong with certain players, but then critisise others for every little thing.

e.g. Rio, Ronnie and Carrick never ever ever make any mistakes
Hargreaves and Fletcher are picked on consistently

DUNDEEUTDMAN · 9th May 2008, 22:54

Fletcher is a brilliant player.
he will improve , so will carrick.

reelworld · 9th May 2008, 23:44

So we're now back on bashing Fletcher then?

Just to make sure I get the current caf scapegoat.

Razwan000 · 10th May 2008, 00:04

this season fletcher seemed alot stronger on the ball, and he was excellent in the big games. he can also pull off the odd great pass, he has a future at united

Brad · 10th May 2008, 00:06

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Originally Posted by reelworld

So we're now back on bashing Fletcher then?

Just to make sure I get the current caf scapegoat.

Scapegoat for what?

Is it not simply a case of not particularly rating a player perhaps?

I wish him the best when he's wearing the shirt, and he's put some good performances in for us, but when people are saying that he's a brilliant player, or that he was a prodigy, they're talking guff. He's a weak link. In seasons past, we've had to rely on him starting at times, and he hasn't got the game to be a first teamer at a club like this, competing at this level. Our squad is so strong now, given a decent run of luck with injuries, he shouldn't really be getting a look in

Rooney gr8 · 10th May 2008, 00:33

fletcher is a class act with alot to his game which some choose not to see, the trouble is, we have such and excellent team now with the likes of ronaldo, rooney evra anderson etc that his talent is overshadowed sometimes..we are even slating giggs someimes because our standards are so high...
shit for fletch but quality for us!!!

he is crucial for the big games.. a must for CL final in moscow imho.
we were the first to beat an unstoppable chelsea thanks to a daz fletcher header..that wasnt mentioned by his critics..

Denis' cuff · 10th May 2008, 02:51

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Originally Posted by Ferguson

SAF never calls him a prodigy. He never says Fletcher will replace Beckham or fly up and down the wing.

The journalist did all that hyping.

Ferguson simply said that Fletcher had great balance and that he would be able to peform at the highest level.

Both of those statements have proven to be absolutely correct.

It is the journalists who have to turn every young talent into the next great superstar. As good as Joe Cole is you'd have to consider him an abject failure compared to the way he was hyped as a teenager.

nice to see somebody can spot the difference between a quote from Fergie and a seagul (journo for the uninformed)

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Originally Posted by Rooney gr8

fletcher is a class act with alot to his game which some choose not to see, the trouble is, we have such and excellent team now with the likes of ronaldo, rooney evra anderson etc that his talent is overshadowed sometimes..we are even slating giggs someimes because our standards are so high...
shit for fletch but quality for us!!!

he is crucial for the big games.. a must for CL final in moscow imho.
we were the first to beat an unstoppable chelsea thanks to a daz fletcher header..that wasnt mentioned by his critics..

Fletcher is a decent squadman - no more no less. As far as his development is concerned, he has been indulged in at Old Trafford more than any other player since Johnny Aston. The same people who remind us of his performance against an arthritic full back in the EC final are the same ones who cite Fletch's header/flick-on which ended up in the net vs Chav$. Far more promising players have ben shown the door at OT. Not saying he should go, but he's been a very lucky boy to have the boss on his side when he is merely above average talent in Premiership terms.

RedDevilCanuck · 10th May 2008, 03:04

He will only reach his full potential if he plays everyday. The problem is , is that we have an abundance of riches in the midfield. I feel sorry for him. But I dont want him to leave. I hope he stays and hope he gets enough playing time to keep him happy. Sometimes he is average, but sometimes he is so good i can't believe it.

Cold_Boy · 10th May 2008, 04:48

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Originally Posted by weso26

Exactly. Some people in this forum can see nothing wrong with certain players, but then critisise others for every little thing.

e.g. Rio, Ronnie and Carrick never ever ever make any mistakes
Hargreaves and Fletcher are picked on consistently

Agreed.

reelworld · 10th May 2008, 04:49

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Originally Posted by Brad

Scapegoat for what?

Fuck knows. He hardly play this season. But apparently, he's one of the reason we lost again Chelsea, only played at United because he's a Scot, and the reason Scotland didn't qualify for Europe.

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Is it not simply a case of not particularly rating a player perhaps?

I wish him the best when he's wearing the shirt, and he's put some good performances in for us, but when people are saying that he's a brilliant player, or that he was a prodigy, they're talking guff. He's a weak link. In seasons past, we've had to rely on him starting at times, and he hasn't got the game to be a first teamer at a club like this, competing at this level. Our squad is so strong now, given a decent run of luck with injuries, he shouldn't really be getting a look in

Yes he's such a weaklink, I can't believe Fergie starts him against the likes of Roma, Liverpool, Arsenal, or Chelsea.

We'll get murdered.

Cold_Boy · 10th May 2008, 04:50

Fletcher has been superb recently and has shown why he was rated by Fergie.

But I can't see him ever being a first team player at United.I am afraid its too late.

Romaleouf · 10th May 2008, 10:09

No need for a witch hunt, a result of Fletcher fanatics.

No issues in highlighting how 'great' Fletcher is, was, could be, will be etc. But once these fanatics cross the line of Fletcher > Carrick etc etc. all hell breaks loose.

Fletcher on the right... offered nothing going forward. Not fair to accrue the 'Barren Years' to him alone, but partly contributed as United played without a right wing/ right midfield.

Ronaldo is the best player on the right at the moment; widely recognised by the awards he has received.

Ronaldo > Beckham > Kanchelski > Coppell > Strachan > Chadwick > Fletcher

Ronaldo, the best. Beckham's crosses were inch-perfect. Kanchelski could tear down the right, cut in and score. Coppell brings the ball to the byeline for the deadly cross. Strachan jinks pass his man and slides the ball into the penalty area. Even Chadwick could beat two or three men with his dribbles... Fletcher ? he would stop the ball after the

9th May 2008, 17:08	#42 (permalink)
Ekeke McFuckwit Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,143	Its true, he really cant cross. And its sad because he's well capable of using fantasic long balls with accuracy. Its just when he gets into the final third with an oppertunity to cross, its incredibly flat and usually fails to beat the first man. Its pretty limp and pathetic. I do love Fletch though. Quality player. Not enough people see it.

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Sam#1 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo >>> Anyone. And yes, I still love Jamie Lynn Spears. Posts: 10,643	'Potentially as good as Carrick' Don't be silly now. Anyway, I like Fletcher, he is someone you can rely on to step up when needed, especially for the big games. However, I do feel that in order for his to make the most of his career, he really needs to move on to a club, at which he will be a regular starter.

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Longlivekeano Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,220	There are other so called "prodidgees" who were considered surely first team United material & thye have sadly failed to make the grade. These I believe included the likes of Ben Thornley who was described to have the dribbling wizardry of Giggs and the crossing ability of Beckham. However, injuries robbed his career. He went on to play for Norwich or some club like that in the lower league. But in his United youth days, he was considered a gem whose prospects were deemed brighter than the likes of others like Butt, Scholes and the Nevilles

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Raven_Blade Attention Whoring Common Crow Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ingurland Posts: 12,514	Fletcher took his time to adapt to the first team but now he has become a valuable member of our squad. Keep on working hard and improving.

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Ferguson Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 1,635	SAF never calls him a prodigy. He never says Fletcher will replace Beckham or fly up and down the wing. The journalist did all that hyping. Ferguson simply said that Fletcher had great balance and that he would be able to peform at the highest level. Both of those statements have proven to be absolutely correct. It is the journalists who have to turn every young talent into the next great superstar. As good as Joe Cole is you'd have to consider him an abject failure compared to the way he was hyped as a teenager.

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Skholesy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London Posts: 1,463	anyone who gets caught on tv saying "you taking the piss?" to a linesman in a high pitch voice, is a united legend

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DUNDEEUTDMAN Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dundee Posts: 1,201	Fletcher is a brilliant player. he will improve , so will carrick.

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reelworld Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: "I was never a great player" - Roy Keane, after being reminded that great players rarely make great managers. Posts: 4,860	So we're now back on bashing Fletcher then? Just to make sure I get the current caf scapegoat.

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Razwan000 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: On the new camera at Old Trafford Posts: 857	this season fletcher seemed alot stronger on the ball, and he was excellent in the big games. he can also pull off the odd great pass, he has a future at united

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Rooney gr8 campaigner for racial harmony Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: As above so below. Posts: 1,968	fletcher is a class act with alot to his game which some choose not to see, the trouble is, we have such and excellent team now with the likes of ronaldo, rooney evra anderson etc that his talent is overshadowed sometimes..we are even slating giggs someimes because our standards are so high... shit for fletch but quality for us!!! he is crucial for the big games.. a must for CL final in moscow imho. we were the first to beat an unstoppable chelsea thanks to a daz fletcher header..that wasnt mentioned by his critics..

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RedDevilCanuck Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,058	He will only reach his full potential if he plays everyday. The problem is , is that we have an abundance of riches in the midfield. I feel sorry for him. But I dont want him to leave. I hope he stays and hope he gets enough playing time to keep him happy. Sometimes he is average, but sometimes he is so good i can't believe it.

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Cold_Boy Amit Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: somewhere i hate to live Posts: 8,986	Fletcher has been superb recently and has shown why he was rated by Fergie. But I can't see him ever being a first team player at United.I am afraid its too late.