Fergie unhappy with ref

Kelvin · 8th November 2009, 19:49

Sir Alex Ferguson claimed referee Martin Atkinson's decisions which led to Chelsea's winning goal at Stamford Bridge were the kind which lead managers and players to "lose faith in refereeing".

Atkinson awarded a free-kick for Darren Fletcher's challenge on Ashley Cole, and Wes Brown appeared to be impeded as Frank Lampard's delivery was turned into the net.

An unhappy Ferguson told Sky Sports 1: "Clearly, Darren Fletcher's won the ball - Ashley Cole's never touched and has jumped up in the air - and then (Didier) Drogba's pulled Brown to the ground for the goal.

"The referee's position to make the decision was absolutely ridiculous, he can't see anything. He's got a Chelsea player (Joe Cole) standing right in front of him and he doesn't even move.

"It was a bad decision, but there's nothing we can do about it. You lose faith in refereeing sometimes, that's the way the players are talking in there - it was a bad one."

SirAF · 8th November 2009, 19:50

To be fair, it was offside ( and the freekick should not have been given either).

Number7 · 8th November 2009, 19:51

Rightly so, cue widespread media critisism mind, and a campaign to get him banned for speaking the truth.

RonaldoVII · 8th November 2009, 19:51

-Rooney wasn't offside in the opening minutes.
-Terry clearly fouls Valencia on the edge of the 6 yard box.
-Goalscoring opportunity above, Terry should walk.
-Wasn't a free kick against Fletcher. Clearly got the ball before Cashley jumped up in the air.
-Drogba fouled Brown, and was also offside, though didn't touch the ball.
-Clear handball from Lampard in stoppage time.
-No added time for Alex coming on.

Fuck off referee. You were shit. I'd get disciplined if I made that many incorrect decisions in a two hour spell at work.

Giggsy PO · 8th November 2009, 19:54

And on the top of it they almost never admit to any wrong doing...

Vinay · 8th November 2009, 19:56

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Originally Posted by RonaldoVII

-Rooney wasn't offside in the opening minutes.
-Terry clearly fouls Valencia on the edge of the 6 yard box.
-Goalscoring opportunity above, Terry should walk.
-Wasn't a free kick against Fletcher. Clearly got the ball before Cashley jumped up in the air.
-Drogba fouled Brown, and was also offside, though didn't touch the ball.
-Clear handball from Lampard in stoppage time.
-No added time for Alex coming on.

Fuck off referee. You were shit. I'd get disciplined if I made that many incorrect decisions in a two hour spell at work.

And I think you might have missed another one or two in that list as well...

All 3 United · 8th November 2009, 19:57

Atkinson should be demoted. Everytime I see him, ref a game he either looses control of the game or generally makes terrible decisions. Incidently so we do not sound too biased we should also add to the above list, the fact that he clearly missed the Evans karate kick on Drogba.

Terrible ref always has been and imo we should start asking the question if we are prepared to field a team when he is due to be in charge.

sammsky1 · 8th November 2009, 19:57

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Originally Posted by RonaldoVII

Fuck off referee. You were shit. I'd get disciplined if I made that many incorrect decisions in a two hour spell at work.

Tumbling-Dice · 8th November 2009, 19:57

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Originally Posted by RonaldoVII

-Rooney wasn't offside in the opening minutes.
-Terry clearly fouls Valencia on the edge of the 6 yard box.
-Goalscoring opportunity above, Terry should walk.
-Wasn't a free kick against Fletcher. Clearly got the ball before Cashley jumped up in the air.
-Drogba fouled Brown, and was also offside, though didn't touch the ball.
-Clear handball from Lampard in stoppage time.
-No added time for Alex coming on.

Fuck off referee. You were shit. I'd get disciplined if I made that many incorrect decisions in a two hour spell at work.

Nail on the absolute head.

esmufc10 · 8th November 2009, 19:57

Wasn't he the one who refereed our game against Portsmouth in the FA Cup aswell? He's fucking shocking. 2 terrible selections of referees for the Chelsea and Liverpool games.

olesmyhero · 8th November 2009, 20:00

Media will jump on Fergie's criticism, not the decisions in question. So goes the respect campaign.

pillory · 8th November 2009, 20:00

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Originally Posted by All 3 United

Incidently so we do not sound too biased we should also add to the above list, the fact that he clearly missed the Evans karate kick on Drogba.

He didn't miss it, but he clearly thought it was Drogba's own fault for barging into Evans.

Tumbling-Dice · 8th November 2009, 20:00

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Originally Posted by esmufc09

Wasn't he the one who refereed our game against Portsmouth in the FA Cup aswell? He's fucking shocking. 2 terrible selections of referees for the Chelsea and Liverpool games.

I mentioned that in the matchday thread. He's the one who failed to give a clear penalty when Ronaldo was charged off the ball by Distin (I think it was Distin.)

pillory · 8th November 2009, 20:01

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Originally Posted by olesmyhero

Media will jump on Fergie's criticism, not the decisions in question. So goes the respect campaign.

Chelsea's belated revenge leaves Manchester United nursing grievances | Daniel Taylor | Football | guardian.co.uk

TheReligion · 8th November 2009, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonaldoVII

-Rooney wasn't offside in the opening minutes.
-Terry clearly fouls Valencia on the edge of the 6 yard box.
-Goalscoring opportunity above, Terry should walk.
-Wasn't a free kick against Fletcher. Clearly got the ball before Cashley jumped up in the air.
-Drogba fouled Brown, and was also offside, though didn't touch the ball.
-Clear handball from Lampard in stoppage time.
-No added time for Alex coming on.

Fuck off referee. You were shit. I'd get disciplined if I made that many incorrect decisions in a two hour spell at work.

Spot on

Again we have to endure the shit decisions yet the media and other people portray us as a club that has all the luck.

Disgrace

phelans shorts · 8th November 2009, 20:02

if they discipline him for that its a joke, he was honest and he didn't launch a personal attack

Lawman · 8th November 2009, 20:02

My big Chelsea mate txt me during the game saying he thinks the ref will give Chelsea a pen as all the big/tight/important decisions are going Chelsea's way. He wasn't far wrong and if they hang Fergie out to dry there will be an uproar as it was all there for everyone to see today the ref/linesman had a shocker and influeneced the game/result more than anyone. If the decisions fell correctly Utd would have won no doubt.

Coca Cola · 8th November 2009, 20:02

It's definitely disappointing that in one of the biggest game of the season the refereeing isn't at a higher standard. Not blaming the referee for the result, we should have gotten more from the game regardless of his performance, but it's very frustrating to see.

Justin · 8th November 2009, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonaldoVII

-Rooney wasn't offside in the opening minutes.
-Terry clearly fouls Valencia on the edge of the 6 yard box.
-Goalscoring opportunity above, Terry should walk.
-Wasn't a free kick against Fletcher. Clearly got the ball before Cashley jumped up in the air.
-Drogba fouled Brown, and was also offside, though didn't touch the ball.
-Clear handball from Lampard in stoppage time.
-No added time for Alex coming on.

Fuck off referee. You were shit. I'd get disciplined if I made that many incorrect decisions in a two hour spell at work.

Stopping play as soon as we got the ball and about to counter when Terry got a head injury in his pants.

TheReligion · 8th November 2009, 20:04

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Originally Posted by phelans shorts

if they discipline him for that its a joke, he was honest and he didn't launch a personal attack

You are a fool

Jog on

All 3 United · 8th November 2009, 20:05

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Originally Posted by pillory

He didn't miss it, but he clearly thought it was Drogba's own fault for barging into Evans.

I think if he had actually seen the kick, Evans may well have been off the pitch. Booking Drogba was comical but also another shocking decision.

phelans shorts · 8th November 2009, 20:05

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Originally Posted by TheReligion

You are a fool

Jog on

if he said that he would be disciplined

Allforone · 8th November 2009, 20:06

Ya know im starting to wonder if maybe Fergies attack on wiley is coming back to bite us so to speak...The refereeing today was abysmal and Chelsea were given every decision...and where was the added time for the Alex substitution??? i thought it was a standard 30 seconds for every sub? does that not count in injury time then? as soon as 5 minutes were up he blew the whistle...very strange...thats not even mentioning the penalty on Valencia and the yard onside Rooney from a terrible offside decision!

Then of course there was the Liverpool game ( a game we deserved nothing from dont get me wrong) and the non sending off of carragher...the first booking for Vidic...the non penalty on both Giggs and Carrick etc...in the big games we dont seem to be getting a fair ride from the officials...

Bit worried the refs have taken that attack on wiley extremly personally and are maybe favouring other sides more so as a result..it was clear at chelsea today Atkinson was only ever favouring one side.

R_Nick · 8th November 2009, 20:09

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Originally Posted by TheReligion

You are a fool

Jog on

A fool for defending SAF's comments?

Ok

phelans shorts · 8th November 2009, 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by R_Nick

A fool for defending SAF's comments?

Ok

h's made a thread about me aswell, i think he wants an e-fight!

kps88 · 8th November 2009, 20:12

Tbf he went on to disagree that this was one of our best performances away from home and blamed the players for not making their dominance pay.

So let's not just focus on the referee comments like the media will.

All 3 United · 8th November 2009, 20:13

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Originally Posted by esmufc09

Wasn't he the one who refereed our game against Portsmouth in the FA Cup aswell? He's fucking shocking. 2 terrible selections of referees for the Chelsea and Liverpool games.

The very same one, yes Atkinson was also the ref who's terrible decisions stopped us winning another treble. As I have already said, we should refuse to field a side next time he is selected as a ref.

All 3 United · 8th November 2009, 20:16

Martin Atkinson - Leeds | Facebook

Feel free to send him a message via facebook to let him know your thoughts.....

Moston Red · 8th November 2009, 20:21

The ref had a stinker but unfortunately there is naff all we can do apart from take heart from a good team performance and build on it.

pillory · 8th November 2009, 20:29

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Originally Posted by All 3 United

Martin Atkinson - Leeds | Facebook

Feel free to send him a message via facebook to let him know your thoughts.....

Delete this, someone.

[Er, although the link is hopefully not to Martin Atkinson the PL referee. (A3U's link, that is.)]

TheReligion · 8th November 2009, 20:57

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Originally Posted by phelans shorts

h's made a thread about me aswell, i think he wants an e-fight!

Yeah, you kinda pissed me off by insinuating that United are a classless club with classless fans in the other thread.

And you are boring

antihenry · 8th November 2009, 21:00

Did Fergie complain about Drogba hitting Evans studs with his chest? I thought he might.

pigface · 8th November 2009, 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by All 3 United

I think if he had actually seen the kick, Evans may well have been off the pitch. Booking Drogba was comical but also another shocking decision.

Honestly, what I expect to happen is that the FA will turn the Drogba card over and ban Evans for three matches for dangerous play. Evans got lucky with that one but deserved a card.

Count Duckula · 8th November 2009, 21:09

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Originally Posted by pillory

Delete this, someone.

[Er, although the link is hopefully not to Martin Atkinson the PL referee. (A3U's link, that is.)]

To be fair, that's even worse, as some innocent bloke's going to get abused by people he's never met!

Smith's Cove · 8th November 2009, 21:11

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Originally Posted by antihenry

Did Fergie complain about Drogba hitting Evans studs with his chest? I thought he might.

No doubt about it, Evans caught Drogba in the chest with his studs. But for all the uproar about it Drogba was making no attempt to play the ball and was just trying to barge Evans. That's why he got the yellow card.

antihenry · 8th November 2009, 21:16

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Originally Posted by Smith's Cove

No doubt about it, Evans caught Drogba in the chest with his studs. But for all the uproar about it Drogba was making no attempt to play the ball and was just trying to barge Evans. That's why he got the yellow card.

Even with an understanding that this is MU forum and most fans are always extremely biased, there's no way Evans should have stayed on the pitch after this challenge.

Drogba barging in? Are you serious?

manufanatic · 8th November 2009, 21:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by pillory

He didn't miss it, but he clearly thought it was Drogba's own fault for barging into Evans.

which is how i saw it as well.

Kraftwerker · 8th November 2009, 21:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by antihenry

Even with an understanding that this is MU forum and most fans are always extremely biased, there's no way Evans should have stayed on the pitch after this challenge.

Drogba barging in? Are you serious?

We know what you're doing.

You know you got away with murder today, only winning because of diabolical decisions, so you're trying to focus on the one incident which didn't go in your favour, to deflect attention.

Feck it, I'd probably do the same if we'd just got away with murder. But it's pretty transparent.

manufanatic · 8th November 2009, 21:27

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Originally Posted by antihenry

Even with an understanding that this is MU forum and most fans are always extremely biased, there's no way Evans should have stayed on the pitch after this challenge.

Drogba barging in? Are you serious?

maybe i missed it but didnt evans win the header while drogba was piling in on him?

manufanatic · 8th November 2009, 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawman

My big Chelsea mate txt me during the game saying he thinks the ref will give Chelsea a pen as all the big/tight/important decisions are going Chelsea's way. He wasn't far wrong and if they hang Fergie out to dry there will be an uproar as it was all there for everyone to see today the ref/linesman had a shocker and influeneced the game/result more than anyone. If the decisions fell correctly Utd would have won no doubt.

well we didnt score so we never were going to win.

8th November 2009, 19:49	#1 (permalink)
Kelvin First Team Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 13,156	Fergie unhappy with ref <a href="http://d.mediadakine.com/ck.php?n=ad232b97&cb=8464" target="_blank"><img src="http://d.mediadakine.com/avw.php?zoneid=81&cb=8464&n=ad232b97" border="0" alt="" /></a> Sir Alex Ferguson claimed referee Martin Atkinson's decisions which led to Chelsea's winning goal at Stamford Bridge were the kind which lead managers and players to "lose faith in refereeing". Atkinson awarded a free-kick for Darren Fletcher's challenge on Ashley Cole, and Wes Brown appeared to be impeded as Frank Lampard's delivery was turned into the net. An unhappy Ferguson told Sky Sports 1: "Clearly, Darren Fletcher's won the ball - Ashley Cole's never touched and has jumped up in the air - and then (Didier) Drogba's pulled Brown to the ground for the goal. "The referee's position to make the decision was absolutely ridiculous, he can't see anything. He's got a Chelsea player (Joe Cole) standing right in front of him and he doesn't even move. "It was a bad decision, but there's nothing we can do about it. You lose faith in refereeing sometimes, that's the way the players are talking in there - it was a bad one."

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8th November 2009, 19:50	#2 (permalink)
SirAF Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: RedCafe Stats Thread Posts: 2,223	To be fair, it was offside ( and the freekick should not have been given either).

8th November 2009, 19:51	#3 (permalink)
Number7 Ret's Slave Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: I am very enjoy Posts: 25,265	Rightly so, cue widespread media critisism mind, and a campaign to get him banned for speaking the truth.

8th November 2009, 19:51	#4 (permalink)
RonaldoVII Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4,656	-Rooney wasn't offside in the opening minutes. -Terry clearly fouls Valencia on the edge of the 6 yard box. -Goalscoring opportunity above, Terry should walk. -Wasn't a free kick against Fletcher. Clearly got the ball before Cashley jumped up in the air. -Drogba fouled Brown, and was also offside, though didn't touch the ball. -Clear handball from Lampard in stoppage time. -No added time for Alex coming on. Fuck off referee. You were shit. I'd get disciplined if I made that many incorrect decisions in a two hour spell at work.

8th November 2009, 19:54	#5 (permalink)
Giggsy PO Wimbledon Prediction Champion 09 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Shame on you Shane Vendrell. You little bastard! Posts: 10,081	And on the top of it they almost never admit to any wrong doing...

8th November 2009, 19:57	#7 (permalink)
All 3 United Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,981	Atkinson should be demoted. Everytime I see him, ref a game he either looses control of the game or generally makes terrible decisions. Incidently so we do not sound too biased we should also add to the above list, the fact that he clearly missed the Evans karate kick on Drogba. Terrible ref always has been and imo we should start asking the question if we are prepared to field a team when he is due to be in charge.

8th November 2009, 19:57	#10 (permalink)
esmufc10 First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts. Posts: 9,269	Wasn't he the one who refereed our game against Portsmouth in the FA Cup aswell? He's fucking shocking. 2 terrible selections of referees for the Chelsea and Liverpool games.

8th November 2009, 20:00	#11 (permalink)
olesmyhero Emmy Moses Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 4000+ miles west of old trafford Posts: 17,848	Media will jump on Fergie's criticism, not the decisions in question. So goes the respect campaign.

8th November 2009, 20:02	#16 (permalink)
phelans shorts First Team Sub Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Obi Wan Kenobi is like god, but with better weapons. Posts: 7,553	if they discipline him for that its a joke, he was honest and he didn't launch a personal attack

8th November 2009, 20:02	#17 (permalink)
Lawman Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 789	My big Chelsea mate txt me during the game saying he thinks the ref will give Chelsea a pen as all the big/tight/important decisions are going Chelsea's way. He wasn't far wrong and if they hang Fergie out to dry there will be an uproar as it was all there for everyone to see today the ref/linesman had a shocker and influeneced the game/result more than anyone. If the decisions fell correctly Utd would have won no doubt.

8th November 2009, 20:02	#18 (permalink)
Coca Cola One balled wonder Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Evra´s Pussy. Posts: 3,787	It's definitely disappointing that in one of the biggest game of the season the refereeing isn't at a higher standard. Not blaming the referee for the result, we should have gotten more from the game regardless of his performance, but it's very frustrating to see.

8th November 2009, 20:06	#23 (permalink)
Allforone Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The future is Anderson! Long live the king of the Manchester United midfield. Posts: 4,362	Ya know im starting to wonder if maybe Fergies attack on wiley is coming back to bite us so to speak...The refereeing today was abysmal and Chelsea were given every decision...and where was the added time for the Alex substitution??? i thought it was a standard 30 seconds for every sub? does that not count in injury time then? as soon as 5 minutes were up he blew the whistle...very strange...thats not even mentioning the penalty on Valencia and the yard onside Rooney from a terrible offside decision! Then of course there was the Liverpool game ( a game we deserved nothing from dont get me wrong) and the non sending off of carragher...the first booking for Vidic...the non penalty on both Giggs and Carrick etc...in the big games we dont seem to be getting a fair ride from the officials... Bit worried the refs have taken that attack on wiley extremly personally and are maybe favouring other sides more so as a result..it was clear at chelsea today Atkinson was only ever favouring one side.

8th November 2009, 20:12	#26 (permalink)
kps88 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,661	Tbf he went on to disagree that this was one of our best performances away from home and blamed the players for not making their dominance pay. So let's not just focus on the referee comments like the media will.

8th November 2009, 20:16	#28 (permalink)
All 3 United Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,981	Martin Atkinson - Leeds \| Facebook Feel free to send him a message via facebook to let him know your thoughts.....

8th November 2009, 20:21	#29 (permalink)
Moston Red Formerly Giggs1973 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,987	The ref had a stinker but unfortunately there is naff all we can do apart from take heart from a good team performance and build on it.

8th November 2009, 21:00	#32 (permalink)
antihenry Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Blue Heaven Posts: 2,561	Did Fergie complain about Drogba hitting Evans studs with his chest? I thought he might.