Ferguson's Successor

ch7 · 30th June 2008, 23:27

I don't think he'd get near the job in a million years due to his ginger hair, comedic personality and ability to sometimes rub people up the wrong way but i've been impressed with the way Gordon Strachan has performed and developed as a manager these past few seasons at Celtic.

His break from football after Southampton did him good as he got off his arse and went around the world watching matches and studying the game which has certainly benefitted Celtic in their unprecedented success at Champions League level.

His time as a pundit has showed he has a very good knowledge of players across Europe and his scouting system has also helped pick up the likes of Boruc and Nakamura (although he was relatively well known before moving to Celtic).

Don16 · 30th June 2008, 23:28

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Originally Posted by ch7

I don't think he'd get near the job in a million years due to his ginger hair, comedic personality and ability to sometimes rub people up the wrong way but i've been impressed with the way Gordon Strachan has performed and developed as a manager these past few seasons at Celtic.

His break from football after Southampton did him good as he got off his arse and went around the world watching matches and studying the game which has certainly benefitted Celtic in their unprecedented success at Champions League level.

His time as a pundit has showed he has a very good knowledge of players across Europe and his scouting system has also helped pick up the likes of Boruc and Nakamura (although he was relatively well known before moving to Celtic).

Yeah but he's even under pressure as manager of Celtic, imagine him as manager of United!

Feed Me · 30th June 2008, 23:30

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Originally Posted by Don16

Ashley Young?

Granted. I said "sound" in fairness. Young has been a good buy. But he splashed pretty big money on the likes of Petrov and Reo Coker (unconvincing) and Davies (unproven). I think this summer will be a good indicator of his transfer prowess. He definetly needs to strengthen, so we will see how good he is.

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Originally Posted by crappycraperson

Capello's the best for results but won't produce United style football.
Same with Jose.

The list will be dramatically shortened if we strike off all the names associated with functional football. In this day and age, a lot of managers have gone down the results-are-paramount route.

I believe that class coaches/managers like Capello and Mourinho have the ability to adapt. Don't forget that these men were under extreme pressure from overbearing boards/chairmen to get results. This may have encouraged them to revert to their functional type. Who is to say that under less hands on owners, they couldn't pursue a more open, attractive style.

Whatever happens, the new man will have to have broad shoulders because they will inevitably cop a load of flack in the early days. The successor will need time to instill his own methods though. Ferguson's own early days at this club should show us that...

VoetbalWizard · 30th June 2008, 23:31

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Originally Posted by ch7

I don't think he'd get near the job in a million years due to his ginger hair, comedic personality and ability to sometimes rub people up the wrong way but i've been impressed with the way Gordon Strachan has performed and developed as a manager these past few seasons at Celtic.

His break from football after Southampton did him good as he got off his arse and went around the world watching matches and studying the game which has certainly benefitted Celtic in their unprecedented success at Champions League level.

His time as a pundit has showed he has a very good knowledge of players across Europe and his scouting system has also helped pick up the likes of Boruc and Nakamura (although he was relatively well known before moving to Celtic).

much better call IMO than o'neill if we're going for ex-celtic bosses.

doubt he'll get the call.

the club can't and won't make a selection that is 'unproven' IMO.

right now i think its mourinho that's odds-on.

if juande ramos gets spurs into top four, then has a good CL run, he'll be just as highly rated IMO by the decision makers.

unfortunately the likes of blanc, keane, laudrup, etc won't be ready (in the boards eyes) in three years time. and rightly so. I'd want to see all three of them manage at their highest levels for longer than that before they took over the biggest club seat in the world.

Feed Me · 30th June 2008, 23:34

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Originally Posted by ch7

I don't think he'd get near the job in a million years due to his ginger hair, comedic personality and ability to sometimes rub people up the wrong way but i've been impressed with the way Gordon Strachan has performed and developed as a manager these past few seasons at Celtic.

His break from football after Southampton did him good as he got off his arse and went around the world watching matches and studying the game which has certainly benefitted Celtic in their unprecedented success at Champions League level.

His time as a pundit has showed he has a very good knowledge of players across Europe and his scouting system has also helped pick up the likes of Boruc and Nakamura (although he was relatively well known before moving to Celtic).

Yeah, Strachan has really come on as a manager. Remember when he took over at Celtic and they were thrashed in the CL preliminaries by a nothing team, 5-0? Since then, he has taken Celtic further than any other manager in European terms in modern times.

Their comeback in the SPL this season was very impressive as well.

He actually did a strong job at Southampton as well.

He has the personality to not be overrawed and lets face it, Celtic are a massive club. But I don't think he would command the respect of some of the stellar names.

ch7 · 30th June 2008, 23:36

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Originally Posted by Don16

Yeah but he's even under pressure as manager of Celtic, imagine him as manager of United!

A minority of Celtic fans have never taken to him from the start though due to his history with Aberdeen. I was under the impression he is beginning to win them around after Celtic's third consecutive title.
Also I would imagine the Celtic job is no less pressurized than the United job because like United if you lose two games in a row it's a crisis.

Crustanoid · 30th June 2008, 23:36

Mourinho can fuck off - I'd never put up with that shit on a stick bullshit or his cnutish press conversations

Sven is a good manager but not good enough

Quiroz and O'Neill are serious contenders

Bruce, Robbo and Keano aren't quite up to it

Ramos may well be a good shout

Hiddink is Romans bumboy

Sparky is tainted now

The Big Man Cantona would be fantastic if he really can cut it as a manager

Moyes would also be a possibility

KeyserSoze · 30th June 2008, 23:39

Why do people always pretend Chelsea did not play great football under Mourinho in the first 2 1/2 seasons, especially when Robben and Duff were at it. Strange.

Feed Me · 30th June 2008, 23:40

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Originally Posted by Crustanoid

Mourinho can fuck off - I'd never put up with that shit on a stick bullshit or his cnutish press conversations

Sven is a good manager but not good enough

Quiroz and O'Neill are serious contenders

Bruce, Robbo and Keano aren't quite up to it

Ramos may well be a good shout

Hiddink is Romans bumboy

Sparky is tainted now

The Big Man Cantona would be fantastic if he really can cut it as a manager

Moyes would also be a possibility

If O'Neill is a contender, then Sven almost certainly should be. Sven is a better manager than O'Neill in my opinion.

Hughes is not really tainted. It is a business and you can't blame him for leaving Blackburn to join a club that matches his ambitions at this stage by spending £19m on Brazilian players! Sparky is probably pound for pound, one of the best managers in Europe.

Cantona is totally unproven. Would be a crazy appointment.

Feed Me · 30th June 2008, 23:41

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Originally Posted by Keyzer Soze

Why do people always pretend Chelsea did not play great football under Mourinho in the first 2 1/2 seasons, especially when Robben and Duff were at it. Strange.

Agreed. They were an exciting team to watch back then. Although one could argue that anything good about them at that stage was the legacy of Ranieri.

Red Dreams · 30th June 2008, 23:46

CQ by a mile of course.......

...and I would look at how Keane had progressed in 3 years time...if he is just outside the Big 4, I would say he is a contender...

Don16 · 30th June 2008, 23:52

Ive said this before, but anyway :

Roy Keane is not a mug. The man knows his football. Staying in the premiership is worth about £50,000,000 to Sunderland, and Keane knew that. He was never gonna attract players of a high calibre to a newly promoted Sunderland, so I think he just got what he could and paid whatever he had to, because he needed those players to stay up. With all the ex-United players, who knew Keane personally beforehand, probably knew this and understood that Keane was sticking with what he knew, just to be safe.

This summer is a big one for him, he'll be expected to bring in better players than the likes of Higginbotham and McShane.

a_devil_inside · 30th June 2008, 23:53

Deschamps is another upcoming manager, hopefully Solskjaer is too

TakeMeHome · 30th June 2008, 23:56

CQ
ONeill
Keane

I think solskjaer would be a good assistant.

FlawlessThaw · 1st July 2008, 00:01

Neither Sven nor O'Neill are good enough in my opinion. Sven's problem has always been when the going gets tough he goes missing. His teams always seem to lack a plan B.

hotshot2004 · 1st July 2008, 02:11

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

Following the Champions League Final we heard all the talk about SAF having another 2-3 years in the hot seat before riding off into the sun set. It has been widely accepted that Carlos Queiroz would step into the breach, but he has since been linked with the Portuguese job. Surely that would change his prospects.

I am going to throw the usual names around, but maybe a curveball or two as well:

Carlos Queiroz - the frontrunner.
Jose Mourinho - no one seems to like this option, but he has the personality to easily succeed SAF.
Martin O'Neill - has CL experience with Celtic.
David Moyes - third longest serving PL manager.
Mark Hughes - now at City. Makes it unlikely.
Roy Keane - former captain of the club. Still highly revered.
Juande Ramos - a sneaky one? He would see United as a step up. Unless he transforms Spurs into contenders.
Laurent Blanc - a complete outsider.
Roberto Mancini - done a good job at Inter. Or has he? Very underwhelming in Europe.
Sven Goran Eriksson - has the track record. In hindsight, actually did a good job with England and City.

That is a list of 9 managers from the top of my head. Blanc is probably the name that will raise eyebrows but he has enjoyed a succesful start to his managerial career in Ligue 1 and he of course has links to the club. He would bring a wealth of experience with him and a calming influence.

The rest of the names are well established. Of course, Mark Hughes could be a bit more tricky now that he is at City. Roy Keane could be just ripe in three years time. Certainly his start in management has been excellent.

My choice would be Mourinho. The reservation being his penchant for functional football. Surely he could adapt?

Carlos Queiroz - the frontrunner. - Agreed, but does he have personality to manage a team. not sure.

Jose Mourinho - no one seems to like this option, but he has the personality to easily succeed SAF. - I know this guy has got charimatic personality and he would like to piss Roman off, but i think it is not going to happen.

Martin O'Neill - has CL experience with Celtic. - He has been great for Villa, but does he have another gear to step in, as we dont aim for no 1 spot, we want no1 spot on the ladder.

David Moyes - third longest serving PL manager. - Interesting choice, i think this guy has the potential to make it through, but he has issues with Rooney which might take twist in the tale.

Mark Hughes - now at City. Makes it unlikely. - It is possible that he takes City to relegation and then quit and join United.

Roy Keane - former captain of the club. Still highly revered. - Not enough experience,certainly has got the personality to be the best. will have to wait and see what he can come up with.

Juande Ramos - a sneaky one? He would see United as a step up. Unless he transforms Spurs into contenders. - Another one who is yet to prove in England, he has good reputation with Sevilla, but does he have what it takes to do in EPL adn Europe.

Laurent Blanc - a complete outsider. - Highly unlikely

Roberto Mancini - done a good job at Inter. Or has he? Very underwhelming in Europe. - Unlikely, he plays different style to United.

Sven Goran Eriksson - has the track record. In hindsight, actually did a good job with England and City. -has the track record agreed, know what pressure is, but has not delivered when under pressure.

Castolo · 1st July 2008, 02:27

On Strachan - you would suspect that Fergie is going to have a large say in who replaces him. If so, we can discount wee Gordon, who reporttedly has a frosty relationship with his former Aberdeen manager. Fergie slagged him off in his autobiography I think.

Mourinho would be my current preference, on the condition that an 'attractive football stipulation' is written into his contract, which is admittedly unlikely. Basically, we are guaranteed trophies with this man. The manner in which we win them will be the most crucial factor.

crappycraperson · 1st July 2008, 02:35

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Originally Posted by Feed Me

Granted. I said "sound" in fairness. Young has been a good buy. But he splashed pretty big money on the likes of Petrov and Reo Coker (unconvincing) and Davies (unproven). I think this summer will be a good indicator of his transfer prowess. He definetly needs to strengthen, so we will see how good he is.

The list will be dramatically shortened if we strike off all the names associated with functional football. In this day and age, a lot of managers have gone down the results-are-paramount route.

I believe that class coaches/managers like Capello and Mourinho have the ability to adapt. Don't forget that these men were under extreme pressure from overbearing boards/chairmen to get results. This may have encouraged them to revert to their functional type. Who is to say that under less hands on owners, they couldn't pursue a more open, attractive style.

Whatever happens, the new man will have to have broad shoulders because they will inevitably cop a load of flack in the early days. The successor will need time to instill his own methods though. Ferguson's own early days at this club should show us that...

There are plenty who play football the right way and win as well.

Hiddink is one. Spalleti from Roma has good potential as well and of course Ramos has already been mentioned.

And Capello's not changing his style. He has managed some of the biggest clubs around and has always stuck to his tactics. Got booed by fans at Madrid for the same. He is contender for the best manager around right now but his sides play dire football at times.

For Jose it is not about playing attacking or defensive football. He does not give his players enough freedom. Every one has a defined role. You would never see our current free flowing football under him.

Ace · 1st July 2008, 02:49

Queiroz to take over, and possibly appoint Ole as assistant.

OldRed1 · 1st July 2008, 03:41

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Originally Posted by Dr. Dwayne

I think that in the time it takes SAF to retire, someone will come from out of the blue to be a serious contender for the job. Someone we can't even consider at this point in time.

Darren Ferguson or Paul Ince?

devilish · 1st July 2008, 06:48

My list

A) Carlos Queiroz - he knows the setup well and had been working with SAF for quite sometime. Clear favourite

B) Jose Mourinho - he is young, he had been quite successful in England + Portugal and he has what it takes to succeed the big man.

C) Arsene Wenger - A much difficult catch but there again you have here a man there who knows the EPL well and had been built great sides with little budgets.

D) Martin O'Neill - He is still young and he had done well with both Villa AND Celtic

E) Mark Hughes - the only former United player who has a real chance of managing our team. A clear outsider.

F) Guus Hiddink - a great leader and an experienced head.

R.Nilsson7 · 1st July 2008, 06:50

Eric.

bcubed · 1st July 2008, 07:01

Personally I would not want Mourinho anywhere near the place. The cnut has a big enough ego now, can you imagine him at a great football club.

Everything would be about the special ONE and not about Manchester United.

A big character is all well and good, but not someone who is gonna tear the playhouse down ala Souness at Liverpooh.

Would have loved Hiddink at some stage but a bit on the old side now - maybe in tandem with a younger prodigy.

Fuck me I am really nervous about the dreaded day coming.

Elliott · 1st July 2008, 07:09

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Originally Posted by TakeMeHome

I think solskjaer would be a good assistant.

Far too early too tell. At the moment I'm just keeping my fingers crossed he'll be able to help our highly rated kids reach the next level. It's a big, big challenge for him and I can't wait to see the reserves next season.

devilish · 1st July 2008, 07:13

Any manager that we would bring in should have the right to choose his own staff.

BillyBob · 1st July 2008, 07:19

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Originally Posted by bcubed

Personally I would not want Mourinho anywhere near the place. The cnut has a big enough ego now, can you imagine him at a great football club.

Everything would be about the special ONE and not about Manchester United.

A big character is all well and good, but not someone who is gonna tear the playhouse down ala Souness at Liverpooh.

Would have loved Hiddink at some stage but a bit on the old side now - maybe in tandem with a younger prodigy.

Fuck me I am really nervous about the dreaded day coming.

Strongly agree especially about Mourinho - he is not Manchester United quality of human being. I don't want any taint of Chelsea anywhere near OT.

Who actually will choose SAF's successor? SAF and Gill and...who else?

fatboy · 1st July 2008, 07:39

I think CQ deserves a chance, both for his loyalty (thus far) and continuity for the newly formed team. He'll be a different kind of manager/coach from Fergie, but then who wouldn't be.

I also wonder how the "Portuguese" contingent would feel if CQ leaves along with Fergie. I highly doubt he'll accept being assistant manager beyond Fergie's reign.

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ch7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 551	I don't think he'd get near the job in a million years due to his ginger hair, comedic personality and ability to sometimes rub people up the wrong way but i've been impressed with the way Gordon Strachan has performed and developed as a manager these past few seasons at Celtic. His break from football after Southampton did him good as he got off his arse and went around the world watching matches and studying the game which has certainly benefitted Celtic in their unprecedented success at Champions League level. His time as a pundit has showed he has a very good knowledge of players across Europe and his scouting system has also helped pick up the likes of Boruc and Nakamura (although he was relatively well known before moving to Celtic).

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Crustanoid Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lancs Posts: 1,986	Mourinho can fuck off - I'd never put up with that shit on a stick bullshit or his cnutish press conversations Sven is a good manager but not good enough Quiroz and O'Neill are serious contenders Bruce, Robbo and Keano aren't quite up to it Ramos may well be a good shout Hiddink is Romans bumboy Sparky is tainted now The Big Man Cantona would be fantastic if he really can cut it as a manager Moyes would also be a possibility

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KeyserSoze First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Way I Hear It Soze's Some Kind Of Butcher Posts: 6,974	Why do people always pretend Chelsea did not play great football under Mourinho in the first 2 1/2 seasons, especially when Robben and Duff were at it. Strange.

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Red Dreams First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Thunder Road to Old Trafford Posts: 10,563	CQ by a mile of course....... ...and I would look at how Keane had progressed in 3 years time...if he is just outside the Big 4, I would say he is a contender...

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Don16 Annoying cnut Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Live King Monkey Posts: 3,531	Ive said this before, but anyway : Roy Keane is not a mug. The man knows his football. Staying in the premiership is worth about £50,000,000 to Sunderland, and Keane knew that. He was never gonna attract players of a high calibre to a newly promoted Sunderland, so I think he just got what he could and paid whatever he had to, because he needed those players to stay up. With all the ex-United players, who knew Keane personally beforehand, probably knew this and understood that Keane was sticking with what he knew, just to be safe. This summer is a big one for him, he'll be expected to bring in better players than the likes of Higginbotham and McShane.

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a_devil_inside Big footed hermaphrodite Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Little Britain Posts: 24,980	Deschamps is another upcoming manager, hopefully Solskjaer is too

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TakeMeHome TakeMeHome Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In some next Berbing place... Posts: 1,384	CQ ONeill Keane I think solskjaer would be a good assistant.

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FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 9,470	Neither Sven nor O'Neill are good enough in my opinion. Sven's problem has always been when the going gets tough he goes missing. His teams always seem to lack a plan B.

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Castolo Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 888	On Strachan - you would suspect that Fergie is going to have a large say in who replaces him. If so, we can discount wee Gordon, who reporttedly has a frosty relationship with his former Aberdeen manager. Fergie slagged him off in his autobiography I think. Mourinho would be my current preference, on the condition that an 'attractive football stipulation' is written into his contract, which is admittedly unlikely. Basically, we are guaranteed trophies with this man. The manner in which we win them will be the most crucial factor.

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Ace Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Da Silva Fever Posts: 1,830	Queiroz to take over, and possibly appoint Ole as assistant.

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devilish Nationality: Italian-English, Maltese Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cnut's home Posts: 18,014	My list A) Carlos Queiroz - he knows the setup well and had been working with SAF for quite sometime. Clear favourite B) Jose Mourinho - he is young, he had been quite successful in England + Portugal and he has what it takes to succeed the big man. C) Arsene Wenger - A much difficult catch but there again you have here a man there who knows the EPL well and had been built great sides with little budgets. D) Martin O'Neill - He is still young and he had done well with both Villa AND Celtic E) Mark Hughes - the only former United player who has a real chance of managing our team. A clear outsider. F) Guus Hiddink - a great leader and an experienced head.

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bcubed Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Endeavouring to persevere in observation of all things futile. Posts: 856	Personally I would not want Mourinho anywhere near the place. The cnut has a big enough ego now, can you imagine him at a great football club. Everything would be about the special ONE and not about Manchester United. A big character is all well and good, but not someone who is gonna tear the playhouse down ala Souness at Liverpooh. Would have loved Hiddink at some stage but a bit on the old side now - maybe in tandem with a younger prodigy. Fuck me I am really nervous about the dreaded day coming.

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devilish Nationality: Italian-English, Maltese Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cnut's home Posts: 18,014	Any manager that we would bring in should have the right to choose his own staff.

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fatboy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,217	I think CQ deserves a chance, both for his loyalty (thus far) and continuity for the newly formed team. He'll be a different kind of manager/coach from Fergie, but then who wouldn't be. I also wonder how the "Portuguese" contingent would feel if CQ leaves along with Fergie. I highly doubt he'll accept being assistant manager beyond Fergie's reign.

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