Football 365's top 10 managers of 2011

nistleloy · 28th December 2011, 17:56

Twigginater's critique of 'Arry forgot to mention that he also failed to qualify for the CL. So basically 'Arry's achievements this year amounts to not a lot - must try harder.

And how can a manager who spent circa £105 million on Adam, Downing, Henderson and Carroll be in sixth place.

Wow, just wow.

Feed Me · 28th December 2011, 19:23

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What the fuck? Redknapp has done an excellent job with Spurs, assembling an excellent squad, getting us into the CL, getting us to the quarter finals of the CL despite everyone delighting in telling us our naivety in the competition would likely lead to an exit before the group stages, breaking the Arsenal hoodoo, breaking the top 4 away hoodoo and getting us to 3rd in the table going into 2012. All this playing good football and with a respectable net spend.

I know Redknapp doesn't have the pedigree of some of the other managers in the league for his previous jobs, fair enough, but if a foreign manager was doing what Redknapp is doing at the moment, people would be going crazy about him.

As for Suarez, very good player for sure. Very much over-rated though. And a large part of the reason we didn't finish 4th last season was because our strikers couldn't finish. Signing a player who has scored 5 league goals this season and 9 out of 29 in total, for 7 million higher than our transfer record, is hardly transfer genius.

He's done a good job, but the tide of fan opinion was definitely against him after two games this season. The bad start was on the back of failing to get CL qualification last season, and a lot of Spurs fans would have been happy to see him pack his cases and take the England job.

My opinion is similar to yours - he's a good manager, but not top drawer. For me, he'll always 'fail' when it really comes to the punch - he'll lose tactical battles in tight matches and his team will ultimately fail to deliver in the title race.

The big thing is that they failed to re-qualify for the CL for this season, because they failed to deal with their brittle spine. It was clear they needed a strong midfielder and a quality centre forward - he got Parker and Adebayor eventually, but they needed them last season. And it was a big opportunity to get established in that competition, given the relative weakness of the Top Four.

There's no way he belongs near the top of any Manager of the Year list when his work of last season is taken into account - Spurs underachieved.

Amir · 28th December 2011, 20:05

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Originally Posted by nistleloy

Twigginater's critique of 'Arry forgot to mention that he also failed to qualify for the CL. So basically 'Arry's achievements this year amounts to not a lot - must try harder.

To be fair, the basic idea of the list is absurd. You can't truly judge a manager on a calendar year. Second half of one season, first half of the next. It's a little silly. A manager is judged at the end of a season.

nistleloy · 28th December 2011, 20:22

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Originally Posted by Amir

To be fair, the basic idea of the list is absurd. You can't truly judge a manager on a calendar year. Second half of one season, first half of the next. It's a little silly. A manager is judged at the end of a season.

Yes, I agree. It appears that "calendar year" is the new black for dishing out useless stats and awards.

cj_sparky · 28th December 2011, 20:27

Dalglish 6th

Agent Red · 28th December 2011, 20:32

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Originally Posted by Amir

To be fair, the basic idea of the list is absurd. You can't truly judge a manager on a calendar year. Second half of one season, first half of the next. It's a little silly. A manager is judged at the end of a season.

Good points

rcoobc · 12th January 2012, 13:53

2011 Premier League

Champions League

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Europa League

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FA Cup

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League Cup

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Community Shield

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rcoobc · 12th January 2012, 14:39

The top 6 Premier League, League of 2011:

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I probably fucked up the table, but the results above should be right. Although City finish 9 points behind us in the 2011 league, they played 4 "top 6" teams away instead of at home, as well as having 3 games in hand

davisjw · 12th January 2012, 15:03

I agree with the top three. Rarely is a top four side manager deserving of best manager in a year purely because the four are expected to be in the top four and close to one another. No surprise that we, Arsenal, and City are there.

Norwich have been absolutely a revelation considering where they were two/three years ago. Swansea deserve accolades for their position in the table and the way they play. And ole 'Arry deserves it better than the other top four managers because he's level with us on points and they weren't expected to be a CL side at the start of the season. Now people are claiming this could be their season.

I'm sorry but Fergie does not deserve accolades for me. Do you praise the general of an army for coming into war fully prepared and thus performing well? Or do you praise the general who comes in unprepared, but still manages to pull wins out of his arse while leading his depleted army slowly forward?

We came into this season woefully unprepared which automatically puts Fergie behind most managers. We didn't fix key parts of our squad and our depth is inadequate for our ambition. Fergie put us in this position: He's only on this list due to the fact that we're still treading water when better preparations would see us safe in our boat.

Scrumpet · 12th January 2012, 15:08

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Originally Posted by rcoobc

The top 6 Premier League, League of 2011:

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I probably fucked up the table, but the results above should be right. Although City finish 9 points behind us in the 2011 league, they played 3 "top 6" teams away instead of at home, as well as having 3 games in hand

What a lovely coloured table.

Skywarden · 12th January 2012, 15:23

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Mancini is second because he took City to their first trophy in 35 years, and because City would be in first place at Christmas and New Year (if City played on the 31st). Mancini has also had to handle a very hostile volatile atmosphere in the dressing room very well.
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It's not exactly a meriting feat when you've been backed by football's richest owner.

And where have you got this hostile atmosphere from?

rcoobc · 12th January 2012, 15:41

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It's not exactly a meriting feat when you've been backed by football's richest owner.

And where have you got this hostile atmosphere from?

Links 1 2 3 4 5 who knows what goes on behind City's doors but a lesser manager would not have dealt with it. People respected Mourinho and managed to recognise the achievements behind the money.

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I know we've tried our best to forget it but I couldn't help noticing that a certain 1-6 is missing form the results.

Ta! Of all the ones to miss out

I'm going to edit that graph, I hate those colours, can you edit yours in a minute.

rcoobc · 12th January 2012, 16:23

Considering how bad they have been over the last 12 months, I think its time for Bolton and Blackburn to go down.

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What a lovely coloured table.

12th January 2012, 13:53	#47 (permalink)
rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Corrupting West Brom Posts: 17,205	2011 Premier League Champions League Spoiler February/March, Last 16 Tottenham beat AC Milan over two legs, 1-0 (1-0 away, 0-0 at home) Chelsea beat Copenhagen over two legs, 2-0 (2-0 away, 0-0 at home) Manchester United beat Marseille over two legs, 2-1 (0-0 away, 2-1 at home) Arsenal lose to Barcelona over two legs, 3-4 (2-1 at home, 3-1 away) April, Quarter Final Tottenham lose to Real Madrid over two legs, 0-5 (0-4 away, 0-1 at home) Manchester United beat Chelsea over two legs, 3-1 (1-0 away, 2-1 at home) Chelsea lose to Manchester United over two legs, 1-3 (0-1 at home, 1-2 away) April/May, Semi Final Manchester United beat Schalke over two legs, 6-1 (2-0 away, 4-1 at home) May, the Final Manchester United lose to Barcelona 3-1 at Wembley. August, Playoff Round Arsenal beat Udinese over two legs to qualify for the Champions League proper, 3-1. (1-0 at home, 2-1 away). September - December, Group Stage Arsenal finish top of their group that includes Marseille, Dortmund and Olympiacos. They win 3 and only lose 1, when they have already qualified. Chelsea finish top of their group that includes Bayer Leverkusen, Valencia and Genk. They win 3 and lose 1, with the group going down to the last day. Manchester City fall into the Europa League after finishing 3rd in a group that contains Bayern Munich, Napoli and Genk. They required results to go their way on the final day, falling out in all but name after 5 matches. Manchester United fall into the Europa League after finishing 3rd in a group that contains Benfica, Basel and Oțelul Galați. They needed to avoid defeat away to Basel on the last day, but failed to do so. Europa League Spoiler February, Last 16 Liverpool beat Sparta Prague over two legs, 1-0. (0-0 away, 1-0 at home) Man City beat Aris over two legs, 3-0. (0-0 away, 3-0 at home) March, Last 16 Liverpool lose to Braga over two legs, 0-1. (0-1 away, 0-0 at home) Man City lose to Dynamo Kiev over two legs, 1-2. (0-2 away, 1-0 at home) June - August, Qualifying Rounds Fulham beat a schmorgesborg of teams to qualify for the playoff round. August, Playoff Round Tottenham beat Hearts over two legs to qualify for the Europa League proper, 5-0. (5-0 away, 0-0 at home). Fulham beat Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk over two legs to qualify for the Europa League proper, 3-1. (3-0 at home, 0-1 away) Birmingham beat Nacional over two legs to qualify for the Europa League proper, 3-0. (0-0 away, 3-0 at home) Stoke City beat Thun over two legs to qualify for the Europa League proper, 5-1. (1-0 away, 4-0 at home) September - December, Group Stage Stoke City finish 2nd in a group containing Beşiktaş, Dynamo Kyiv and Maccabi Tel Aviv. They had qualified after 5 games. Tottenham fail to qualify after finishing 3rd in a group containing PAOK, Rubin Kazan and Shamrock Rovers. Tottenham required results to go their way on the final day. Birmingham City fail to qualify after finishing 3rd in a group containing Club Brugge, Braga and Maribor, They required results to go their way on the final day. Fulham fail to qualify after finishing 3rd in a group containing Twente, Wisła Kraków and Odense. They required results to go their way on the final day. FA Cup Spoiler January, 3rd Round Manchester United beat Liverpool 1-0 at Old Trafford. Chelsea beat Ipswich Town 7-0 at Stamford Bridge. Arsenal draw 1-1 with Leeds United at the Emirates taking it to a replay. In the replay, Arsenal beat Leeds 3-1 at Elland Road. Manchester City draw 2-2 with Leicester City away at the Walkers taking it to a replay. In the replay, Man City beat Leicester City 4-2 at Eastlands. Tottenham beat Charlton Athletic 3-0 at White Hart Lane. Stoke draw with Cardiff at home 1-1 at the Britannia. In the replay Stoke beat Cardiff 2-0 after extra time, away at Cardiff City Stadium. January 4th Round Arsenal beat Huddlesfield Town 2-1 at the Emirates. Fulham beat Tottenham 4-0 at Craven Cottage Chelsea draw with Everton 1-1 away at Goodison Park In the replay, Everton beat Chelsea on penalties after drawing 1-1 Manchester United beat Southampton 2-1 away at St Mary's Manchester City beat Notts County 5-0 at Eastlands. Stoke beat Wolves 1-0 away at the Molineux. February, 5th Round Manchester City beat Aston Villa 3-0 at Eastlands Arsenal draw with Leyton Orient away at Brisbane Road 1-1. In the replay, Arsenal beat Orient 5-0. Manchester United beat Crawley Town 5-0 at Old Trafford. Stoke beat Brighton 3-0 at the Britannia. March, Quarter Final Manchester United beat Arsenal 2-0 at Old Trafford. Stoke beat West Ham 2-1 at the Britannia. Man City beat Reading 1-0 at Eastlands. Bolton beat Birmingham away at St Andrews. April, Semi Final Manchester City beat Manchester United at Wembley, 1-0. Stoke beat Bolton at Wembley, 5-0. May, the Final Manchester City beat Stoke City 1-0 at Wembley. League Cup Spoiler January, Semi Final Arsenal beat Ipswich Town 3-1 over two legs. (0-1 away, 3-0 at home) Birmingham beat West Ham 4-3 over two legs and after extra time. (1-2 away, 3-1 at home after extra time). February, the Final Birmingham beat Arsenal 2-1 at Wembley. September, 3rd Round Arsenal beat Shrewsbury Town 3-1 at home. Manchester United beat Leeds United 3-0 away from home. Stoke beat Tottenham on penalties after a 0-0 draw. Bolton beat Villa 2-0 away. Crystal Palace beat Middlesbrough 2-1 at home. Cardiff beat Leicester City on penalties after a 2-2 draw. Chelsea beat Fulham on penalties after a 0-0 draw. Liverpool beat Brighton 2-1 away. Man City beat holders Birmingham 2-0 at home. Everton beat West Brom 2-1 away. October, 4th Round Cardiff beat Burnley 1-0 at home Arsenal beat Bolton 2-1 at home Manchester United beat Aldershot 3-0 away Crystal Palace beat Southampton 2-0 at home Manchester City beat Wolves 5-2 away Liverpool beat Stoke 2-1 away Blackburn beat Newcastle 4-3 after extra time at home Chelsea beat Everton 2-1 after extra time away November, Quarter Final Liverpool beat Chelsea 2-0 away Cardiff beat Blackburn 2-0 at home Man City beat Arsenal 1-0 away Crystal Palace beat Manchester United 2-1 away Community Shield Spoiler August Manchester United beat Manchester City 3-2 at Wembley

12th January 2012, 14:39	#48 (permalink)
rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Corrupting West Brom Posts: 17,205	The top 6 Premier League, League of 2011: Spoiler 05 Jan, Arsenal 0-0 Manchester City 16 Jan, Manchester United 0-0 Tottenham Hotspur 05 Feb, Chelsea 0-1 Liverpool 12 Feb, Manchester United 2-1 Manchester City 01 Mar, Chelsea 2-1 Manchester United 06 Mar, Liverpool 3-1 Manchester United 20 Mar, Chelsea 2-0 Manchester City 11 Apr, Liverpool 3-0 Manchester City 17 Apr, Arsenal 1-1 Liverpool 20 Apr, Tottenham 3-3 Arsenal 30 Apr, Chelsea 2-1 Tottenham 01 May, Arsenal 1-0 Manchester United 08 May, Manchester United 2-1 Chelsea 10 May, Manchester City 1-0 Tottenham 14 May, Liverpool 0-2 Tottenham 20 Aug, Arsenal 0-2 Liverpool 22 Aug, Manchester United 3-0 Tottenham 28 Aug, Manchester United 8-2 Arsenal 28 Aug, Tottenham 1-5 Manchester City 18 Sep, Manchester United 3-1 Chelsea 18 Sep, Tottenham 4-0 Liverpool 02 Oct, Tottenham 2-1 Arsenal 15 Oct, Manchester United 1-1 Liverpool 23 Oct, Manchester United 1-6 Manchester City 29 Oct, Chelsea 3-5 Arsenal 20 Nov, Chelsea 1-2 Liverpool 27 Nov, Liverpool 1-1 Manchester City 12 Dec, Chelsea 2-1 Manchester City 18 Dec, Manchester City 1-0 Arsenal 22 Dec, Tottenham 1-1 Chelsea I probably fucked up the table, but the results above should be right. Although City finish 9 points behind us in the 2011 league, they played 4 "top 6" teams away instead of at home, as well as having 3 games in hand

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28th December 2011, 17:56	#41 (permalink)
nistleloy Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: Republic of Mancunia Posts: 849	Twigginater's critique of 'Arry forgot to mention that he also failed to qualify for the CL. So basically 'Arry's achievements this year amounts to not a lot - must try harder. And how can a manager who spent circa £105 million on Adam, Downing, Henderson and Carroll be in sixth place. Wow, just wow.

28th December 2011, 20:27	#45 (permalink)
cj_sparky Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2008 Location: "At times when I've watched him, I wonder if he's being controlled by a 10 year old in the crowd with a playstation console" Gary Neville talking about David Luiz Posts: 4,068	Dalglish 6th

12th January 2012, 15:03	#49 (permalink)
davisjw Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,867	I agree with the top three. Rarely is a top four side manager deserving of best manager in a year purely because the four are expected to be in the top four and close to one another. No surprise that we, Arsenal, and City are there. Norwich have been absolutely a revelation considering where they were two/three years ago. Swansea deserve accolades for their position in the table and the way they play. And ole 'Arry deserves it better than the other top four managers because he's level with us on points and they weren't expected to be a CL side at the start of the season. Now people are claiming this could be their season. I'm sorry but Fergie does not deserve accolades for me. Do you praise the general of an army for coming into war fully prepared and thus performing well? Or do you praise the general who comes in unprepared, but still manages to pull wins out of his arse while leading his depleted army slowly forward? We came into this season woefully unprepared which automatically puts Fergie behind most managers. We didn't fix key parts of our squad and our depth is inadequate for our ambition. Fergie put us in this position: He's only on this list due to the fact that we're still treading water when better preparations would see us safe in our boat.