Football intellectuals John Barnes and Tony Cascarino "Giggs is shite"

vijay · 2nd May 2009, 13:55

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/edi...ecry-pfa-award

Giggs winning the PFA award threw indifferent opinions from some quarters but cannot figure out how their premature ejalucation on Gerrard can be brought in to the equation. Giggs was certainly a better better option than Stevie G.

B Cantona · 2nd May 2009, 14:43

Votes should be at the end of the season

Gerrard aint the best player this season though

John Barnes is just pissed, the last 20 seasons he's predicted "this'll be Liverpool's year", he probably got a little ahead of himself and thought he might actually get it right this time

Spoony Youngblood · 2nd May 2009, 14:46

Wife beater.

gaffs · 2nd May 2009, 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by vijay

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/edi...ecry-pfa-award

Giggs winning the PFA award threw indifferent opinions from some quarters but cannot figure out how their premature ejalucation on Gerrard can be brought in to the equation. Giggs was certainly a better better option than Stevie G.

I dont think either are saying "Giggs is shite".

Paddy · 2nd May 2009, 16:04

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Originally Posted by gaffs

I dont think either are saying "Giggs is shite".

No, nothing they said about Giggs was controversial. And they were spot on about Torres

Not mentioning Vidic at all as one of the alternative winners on the other hand, is stupid. But this stood out for me:

Quote:

"Edwin van der Sar was a nominee for the overall award as well as named in the team of the year which I don’t agree with. For me, the Dutchman can’t kick a ball properly and tends to shank it all over the place. He is certainly not in the same class as the likes of Peter Schmeichel and David Seaman. If you had to pick a keeper I’d have gone for Aston Villa’s Brad Friedel or Liverpool’s Jose Reina who have both performed really well.

Fuck off Cascarino

Coca Cola · 2nd May 2009, 16:09

Van der sar can't kick a ball properly? Is this guy for real?

Legend16 · 2nd May 2009, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Coca Cola

Van der sar can't kick a ball properly? Is this guy for real?

unfortunately cascarino is all too real. a complete fucking eejit whos "expert" opinion of football is invariably utter shite. "I have seen enough of Patrice Evra in the french league to know that he will never make it in English football" is one of his gems. total gobshite and not to be taken seriously

RedPhil1957 · 2nd May 2009, 16:22

Football intellectuals John Barnes and Tony Cascarino "Giggs is shite"

Cascarino was not even a footballer let alone. an intellectual.

2nd May 2009, 16:25

Giggsy has won it and there is nothing they can do about it. The ABUs and Stevie Me fanbois can go to hell.

gaffs · 2nd May 2009, 16:25

Cascarino does know all about kicking. Well, kicking his wife anyway...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2048546.ece

Nem 7 · 2nd May 2009, 16:34

What has his personal life got to do with his (albeit shit) opinion on football?

sammsky1 · 2nd May 2009, 16:49

Quote:

Tony Cascarino was even more forthright on the same topic...

"Steven has made 26 league starts and scored 13 goals in a great season for him personally.

Yes Tony and he will win fuck all

Quote:

"Edwin van der Sar was a nominee for the overall award as well as named in the team of the year which I don’t agree with. For me, the Dutchman can’t kick a ball properly and tends to shank it all over the place. If you had to pick a keeper I’d have gone for Aston Villa’s Brad Friedel or Liverpool’s Jose Reina who have both performed really well

Is Cascarino for real? And who the fuck is Cascarino anyway?! Where do they get these washed up pub owning ex football dregs from? It is pitiful

IBleedRed · 2nd May 2009, 17:23

VDS is known as one of the best (if not the best) keepers in the world when the ball is at his feet

thoward · 2nd May 2009, 17:46

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Originally Posted by sammsky1

Yes Tony and he will win fuck all

Is Cascarino for real? And who the fuck is Cascarino anyway?! Where do they get these washed up pub owning ex football dregs from? It is pitiful

He wrote a controversial autobiography around 2000 which has helped him get lots of media work with the likes of The Times, Talksport, Sky Sports, The Sunday Mirror etc.

marcosdeto · 2nd May 2009, 17:50

"In reality Steven has been the best player in the Premier League this season and deserved the award. He continues to drive Liverpool forward year-on-year and while Giggs has performed well, he has only made 12 Premier League starts for United which suggests he is not even first choice at Old Trafford"

yes, he continues to drive liverpool forward a trophyless season year-on-year

Lawman · 2nd May 2009, 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcosdeto

"In reality Steven has been the best player in the Premier League this season and deserved the award. He continues to drive Liverpool forward year-on-year and while Giggs has performed well, he has only made 12 Premier League starts for United which suggests he is not even first choice at Old Trafford"

yes, he continues to drive liverpool forward a trophyless season year-on-year

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Moriarty · 2nd May 2009, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nem 7

What has his personal life got to do with his (albeit shit) opinion on football?

Not much I suppose, but it does suggest that he's an all-round cunt.

esmufc12 · 2nd May 2009, 19:43

When is this voted on?

redpie · 2nd May 2009, 20:02

"Steven" ....

Name Changed · 3rd May 2009, 03:49

Everybody knows Tony Cascarino is a complete retard. And John Barnes could be Andy Allerton on Rawk. He is so biased, it's actually unbelievable.

Laphroaig · 3rd May 2009, 04:50

Gerrard's season is highly overrated.

sammsky1 · 3rd May 2009, 07:33

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Originally Posted by Laphroaig

Gerrard's season is highly overrated.

i just dont get it. he's only delivered what scholes did for 4 or 5 years in a row. and Scholes had trophies to show for it.

I_live_cement · 3rd May 2009, 07:40

If anyone deserves the award it's Vidic. He's Been our best player this season.

They must also be joking with the comments about Van der Sar, he's one of the best kicking goalkeepers in the league. If anything, out of the keepers from the top 4 Reina is the most prone to "shanking the ball" as they put it.

Vinay · 3rd May 2009, 08:11

By pure head logic, it has to be Vidic. By far the most consistent and impressive player in any team bar none...

But, I certainly, do not find anything wrong with Giggs getting it. He's been crucial to us in many ways this season.

If at all, they should have had a special award for Giggs, though. A life-time achievement award for "current" players, which would be awarded only so rarely when a Giggs-like phenomenon comes to be.

WeasteDevil · 3rd May 2009, 08:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Wilton

Votes should be at the end of the season

Why? Why not do it (the voting) on a calendar year? It makes very little difference.

manxmanc · 3rd May 2009, 08:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by esmufc09

When is this voted on?

The votes are taken in Feb.

Brwned · 3rd May 2009, 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeasteDevil

Why? Why not do it (the voting) on a calendar year? It makes very little difference.

It's done on a calender year though, is it? I thought it was just the first 6 months of the season.

So you're saying it actually takes the last few months of last season into account too?

Dyslexic Untied · 3rd May 2009, 11:40

I don`t think anyone has any trouble admitting that Ryan Giggs has not been the best player in the Premiership this season.

But, at the same time, everyone will agree that he is one of the very best players ever in the Premiership and a fantastic ambassador for the game. The most bitter scouser would admit that he is deserving of some personal accolade, after all he has achieved and the way he conducts himself.

So when an award like this comes his way- despite him being a low-profile person, who hasn`t asked for this award in any other way than giving his all in 800 games for his club- then you keep quiet and you congratulate him for his fantastic achievments not only this year, but in the past 17 or so years.

Imagine Paolo Maldini winning the FIFA Player of the Year award. I for one, would think that he deserved it and that it was a good person to give it to. Would I think: "Others have been better this year, he received that out of sentiment." - Sure I would, but I`d keep it to myself.

There is a time for raising a discussion about the basis for these awards, and there is a time not to. This past week has is absolutely an example of the latter.

So it just sounds extremely bitter when fans of our opponents start with this stuff days after Giggsy wins his award. The better thing to do would be to keep your thoughts to yourself, and appreciate that one of the games finest ambassadors is making the most of the twilight years of his career and congratulate him for this long-awaited indiviual recognition.

I can honestly say, that if Gerrard goes on to play as long as Giggsy has, and he at that time picks up this award (if he hasn`t already), I`ll be able to say; "Well done, you deserved that" without needing to spill my guts about some other player having a better season.

Pronewbie · 3rd May 2009, 12:06

The thing is, the next best player has to be a United player as well (Vidic). So I don't see why anyone other than Vidic should be having a moan about it!

Legend16 · 3rd May 2009, 12:52

the voting takes place early in the year. at that time players were looking at a footballer who had just broken the all time appearance record for united. he had won a double in the previous season which all comes into a voters thinking when they come to vote in jan or whenever it is they vote. Giggs was an obvious candidate. if it was voted tomorrow giggs would still be a candidate.

Barry Red · 5th May 2009, 14:17

The reason why Gerrard didn't get in the running is obvious. As a habitual diver he has tried to get too many of his fellow pros booked or sent off; this is hardly conducive to persuading those same people to vote for you.

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2nd May 2009, 14:43	#2 (permalink)
B Cantona Desperate Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hated, Adored, Never Ignored Posts: 40,400	Votes should be at the end of the season Gerrard aint the best player this season though John Barnes is just pissed, the last 20 seasons he's predicted "this'll be Liverpool's year", he probably got a little ahead of himself and thought he might actually get it right this time

2nd May 2009, 14:46	#3 (permalink)
Spoony Youngblood Wants to be more like Top Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: RIP Sydney Youngblood, who died in a tragic go-karting accident in 2007. RIP my cat 2001-09. iRIP Steve Cunting Jobs Posts: 42,100	Wife beater.

2nd May 2009, 16:09	#6 (permalink)
Coca Cola One balled wonder Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Evra´s Pussy. Posts: 4,026	Van der sar can't kick a ball properly? Is this guy for real?

2nd May 2009, 16:22	#8 (permalink)
RedPhil1957 First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: lincs. Posts: 5,358	Football intellectuals John Barnes and Tony Cascarino "Giggs is shite" Cascarino was not even a footballer let alone. an intellectual.

2nd May 2009, 16:25	#9 (permalink)
Merman Guest Posts: n/a	Giggsy has won it and there is nothing they can do about it. The ABUs and Stevie Me fanbois can go to hell.

2nd May 2009, 16:25	#10 (permalink)
gaffs First Team Sub Join Date: May 2007 Location: Moscow 08, Rome 09, London 11 Posts: 9,925	Cascarino does know all about kicking. Well, kicking his wife anyway... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2048546.ece

2nd May 2009, 16:34	#11 (permalink)
Nem 7 Look, I'm a cunt, can type in colour so I must be important. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Outside Right Posts: 5,523	What has his personal life got to do with his (albeit shit) opinion on football?

2nd May 2009, 17:23	#13 (permalink)
IBleedRed likes to use pantyhose Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ander's Doppelganger Posts: 5,820	VDS is known as one of the best (if not the best) keepers in the world when the ball is at his feet

2nd May 2009, 17:50	#15 (permalink)
marcosdeto Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Buenos Aires - Argentina Posts: 39,819	"In reality Steven has been the best player in the Premier League this season and deserved the award. He continues to drive Liverpool forward year-on-year and while Giggs has performed well, he has only made 12 Premier League starts for United which suggests he is not even first choice at Old Trafford" yes, he continues to drive liverpool forward a trophyless season year-on-year

2nd May 2009, 19:43	#18 (permalink)
esmufc12 Unclean Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,389	When is this voted on?

2nd May 2009, 20:02	#19 (permalink)
redpie Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mrs Merton's box room Posts: 2,971	"Steven" ....

3rd May 2009, 03:49	#20 (permalink)
Name Changed weso26 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dublin Posts: 20,289	Everybody knows Tony Cascarino is a complete retard. And John Barnes could be Andy Allerton on Rawk. He is so biased, it's actually unbelievable.

3rd May 2009, 04:50	#21 (permalink)
Laphroaig First Team Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: You must play monotonous. Posts: 12,621	Gerrard's season is highly overrated.

3rd May 2009, 07:40	#23 (permalink)
I_live_cement Cat freak Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North West Posts: 13,581	If anyone deserves the award it's Vidic. He's Been our best player this season. They must also be joking with the comments about Van der Sar, he's one of the best kicking goalkeepers in the league. If anything, out of the keepers from the top 4 Reina is the most prone to "shanking the ball" as they put it.

3rd May 2009, 08:11	#24 (permalink)
Vinay Muppet in Training Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mit der deutschen Mannschaft Posts: 5,868	By pure head logic, it has to be Vidic. By far the most consistent and impressive player in any team bar none... But, I certainly, do not find anything wrong with Giggs getting it. He's been crucial to us in many ways this season. If at all, they should have had a special award for Giggs, though. A life-time achievement award for "current" players, which would be awarded only so rarely when a Giggs-like phenomenon comes to be.

3rd May 2009, 11:40	#28 (permalink)
Dyslexic Untied First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,569	I don`t think anyone has any trouble admitting that Ryan Giggs has not been the best player in the Premiership this season. But, at the same time, everyone will agree that he is one of the very best players ever in the Premiership and a fantastic ambassador for the game. The most bitter scouser would admit that he is deserving of some personal accolade, after all he has achieved and the way he conducts himself. So when an award like this comes his way- despite him being a low-profile person, who hasn`t asked for this award in any other way than giving his all in 800 games for his club- then you keep quiet and you congratulate him for his fantastic achievments not only this year, but in the past 17 or so years. Imagine Paolo Maldini winning the FIFA Player of the Year award. I for one, would think that he deserved it and that it was a good person to give it to. Would I think: "Others have been better this year, he received that out of sentiment." - Sure I would, but I`d keep it to myself. There is a time for raising a discussion about the basis for these awards, and there is a time not to. This past week has is absolutely an example of the latter. So it just sounds extremely bitter when fans of our opponents start with this stuff days after Giggsy wins his award. The better thing to do would be to keep your thoughts to yourself, and appreciate that one of the games finest ambassadors is making the most of the twilight years of his career and congratulate him for this long-awaited indiviual recognition. I can honestly say, that if Gerrard goes on to play as long as Giggsy has, and he at that time picks up this award (if he hasn`t already), I`ll be able to say; "Well done, you deserved that" without needing to spill my guts about some other player having a better season.

3rd May 2009, 12:06	#29 (permalink)
Pronewbie Peep Join Date: May 2004 Location: In front of My Computer (C:\) Posts: 2,089	The thing is, the next best player has to be a United player as well (Vidic). So I don't see why anyone other than Vidic should be having a moan about it!

3rd May 2009, 12:52	#30 (permalink)
Legend16 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 3,563	the voting takes place early in the year. at that time players were looking at a footballer who had just broken the all time appearance record for united. he had won a double in the previous season which all comes into a voters thinking when they come to vote in jan or whenever it is they vote. Giggs was an obvious candidate. if it was voted tomorrow giggs would still be a candidate.

5th May 2009, 14:17	#31 (permalink)
Barry Red Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: S Wales Posts: 790	The reason why Gerrard didn't get in the running is obvious. As a habitual diver he has tried to get too many of his fellow pros booked or sent off; this is hardly conducive to persuading those same people to vote for you.