Giggs: "an incredible human being"

032Devil · 27th September 2008, 06:25

Man Utd boss Ferguson sees Giggs playing on next year
tribalfootball.com

Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has hailed veteran Ryan Giggs as "an incredible human being".

His audacious goal in midweek against Middlesbrough left Giggs just five away from becoming only the ninth player to score 150 times for the Old Trafford outfit.

And although his present contract expires next summer, Ferguson can see no reason why Giggs should not get another.

"Ryan is an incredible human being. He could play for another year, no problem at all," said Ferguson.

"He might be 35 in November but he is exceptionally fit.

"The secret is to manage him the right way because he can still decide games for us. We just have to keep him fresh and make sure he has the motivation because I want him to continue.

"He is a fantastic person to have about the place. The experience he brings is invaluable.

"There are certain types of people you only get once in a lifetime. Ryan is just a complete one-off."

On Tuesday, Giggs floated around behind Cristiano Ronaldo and Danny Welbeck, creating havoc wherever he went.

At the same time, Nani was doing the job that was once his, forcing the Boro defenders onto the back foot with his dazzling wing play.

That task is no longer Giggs' to perform, with Ferguson certain the former Wales captain can be equally effective in his new central role.

"At 34, tramping up and down the touchline is beyond Ryan now," said Ferguson.

"You have to respect the job he has done for us going up and down that touchline over so many years.

"No-one in the Premier League comes anywhere near him in terms of his adaptability.

"But I look upon him as a central player, either in midfield or up front."

Alex · 27th September 2008, 06:29

I see him playing next year as well

RedRob · 27th September 2008, 09:55

Does this mean that essentially we've got 3 wingers - Ronaldo, Park and Nani - battling it out for two spots? Obviously Hargreaves can do a job there when required, but in terms of natural wingers playing on the wing, it's just those three?

Lot 49 · 27th September 2008, 10:05

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Originally Posted by 032Devil

No-one in the Premier League comes anywhere near him in terms of his adaptability.

What a bizarre thing to say.

Anyway I hope Giggs gets to retire on a high at the end of the season with an appropriate 11 titles and we sign a new winger.

27th September 2008, 10:18

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Originally Posted by RedRob

Does this mean that essentially we've got 3 wingers - Ronaldo, Park and Nani - battling it out for two spots? Obviously Hargreaves can do a job there when required, but in terms of natural wingers playing on the wing, it's just those three?

Hargreaves can offer as much as any natural winger can. He's got Scholes, Carrick and Anderson above him for the midfield spot, so I can see him playing on the wing this season.

032Devil · 27th September 2008, 10:20

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Originally Posted by RedRob

Does this mean that essentially we've got 3 wingers - Ronaldo, Park and Nani - battling it out for two spots? Obviously Hargreaves can do a job there when required, but in terms of natural wingers playing on the wing, it's just those three?

In the article SAF stated that he now views Giggs as a central midfielder and not as a winger as he doesn't have the speed anymore.

Crustanoid · 27th September 2008, 10:20

If Ronaldo wants to see what a United legend looks like - Giggs is an example

kouroux · 27th September 2008, 11:07

A dying breed of players

KingEric7 · 27th September 2008, 11:20

We've got to make the most of him whilst we still have him. He is one of the most wonderful elements of this football club.

Just how many players, in any generation, can claim to have played professionally for one club, whilst becoming this decorated? A handful is the answer. We've been so lucky to watch Giggs.

Chorley1974 · 27th September 2008, 12:04

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Originally Posted by Lot 49

What a bizarre thing to say.

Anyway I hope Giggs gets to retire on a high at the end of the season with an appropriate 11 titles and we sign a new winger.

What a bizarre thing for you to say.

Lot 49 · 27th September 2008, 12:07

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Originally Posted by Chorley1974

What a bizarre thing for you to say.

That Giggs should retire on a high or that we should sign a new winger once he goes?

Successful · 27th September 2008, 12:22

Here are soma answers from a lad who beg to differ. I suppose this is the kind of answers K14 would give SAF if they had this discussion over a dinner. So here you go, quotes from Mr experience is overrated, 17 year olds know just as much.

Giggs - Three more seasons to go
Giggs Unfazed by critisism
Fans want Giggs axed
Underperforming Giggs

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Originally Posted by kanchelskis14

Not the barrage of insults i was anticipating.

But yea, in anycase, i get what you mean. But the reason he is unlikely to get that form back is because he is older, and over the next 3 years, will continue to age. He'll hardly be the first player to lose it either, and he's near enoug 35 now. I just think some people should get real. He's old, and is playing as if he is in decline. Which is to be expected if you ask me, but all these statements of denial as if it's just a temporary blip i don't agree with. Not to mention i see some of the same people in the transfer forum would say 'i wouldn't sign Eto'o, he's going to be 29' or whatever. Well Giggs is 34, and is playing fairly shite, what more evidence do people need.

And i know he may not be a conventional winger anymore, but in my view, he's simply not a good enough anything to be playing for United on ability alone. I can excuse us playing him to get him his record now and all that, but come on, 3 more years? He owes it to himself to go before then.

I don't agree with the 'he'll be useful from the bench' thing either. When does that stop? When a player can't walk? I mean, why would Cantona not be useful from the bench then? He probably couldn't beat anyone, or run for 90 mins etc, but surely occasionally, he'd still be able to play a good through pass for someone, not to mention his experience etc. At 37, obviously Giggs will probably still do something good every now and then. He could probably score a goal or two, or play a good pass in between being largely ineffective, at 47. Not really the point.

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Originally Posted by kanchelskis14

I think many posters' choice of words on here can be excessive at times, but in my view, Giggs has warranted his criticism this season. I mean, people haven't been randomly criticising Rio Ferdinand or Evra, nor have they been slagging off VDS despite his age, experience etc.

The thing with Giggs, is, compare him with Scholes and pales. No one is arguing Scholes is in the team for his experience or past form etc, he's still clearly contributing enough to be picked today, which is the difference between Giggs.

I do believe Fergie makes sure he's involved every game so he can get his record, which is fair enough i guess.

I've had enough if criticising his form anyway, i've always said that you can't be mad at Giggs for playing poorly at nearly 35, it's what they generally tend to do at that age. He only goes out to give his best. I've said what i've had to all season, he's been poor, frankly too poor to warrant a place in our team, but i've decided now to change my view to appreciating the player he has been, especially as his career is ending. He was something special in his prime, and i wish Fergie didn't play him so much for his own sake, because i doubt he'll get any better from here, and i don't want him to go out with criticism when he was better than most in his time.

Proper legend the man, and should be appreciated as such.

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Originally Posted by kanchelskis14

If we decide to bench Giggs at 37, what would the difference be? He'd still be ale to move, no doubt play the odd good pass etc. So why not keep him in the team then, after all, he'd be even more experienced then!

Also, when Giggs was actually getting this experience, he should have been benched for someone older i guess

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Originally Posted by kanchelskis14

I am clearly disputing that Giggs should be a starter due to his experience or status. Yes, others have started games ahead of him, not disputing that. I am disputing those who aren't happy with that, and call everyone who thinks Giggs should be a sub not a proper fan.

So in what way am i not worth debating with? Because i disagree with you?

Look below, there's someone not worth debating with, tries to get personal and add silly jibes and ultimately make no point.

Besides, i'm not begging you. If you don't wish to respond, dont.

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Originally Posted by kanchelskis14

People like to overcomplicate things i reckon. I guess it's understandable to try and defend Giggs, but a statement like, 'he can't have lost it in 8 months', when the actual evidence suggests he has done exactly that make little sense to me.

Or are people proposing this is just some blip, he'll be back to his best at 35 next season. Then when he goes through another bad run and people mention it, they'll say 'Giggs'll be back, he's been written off many times before'....' sack Fergie, sell Giggs'... or 'so i guess you're saying you no better than Fergie then, he wouldn't pick him on sentiment'.

FFS, he's 34! Isn't is possible that he'll stop 'proving people wrong' eventually? It's a ridiculous argument to say because he recovered from poor form in his mid-twenties, he'll never lose it, 'just give him time'!
All those things are nice to discuss, but what cannot be argued, is what takes place on the pitch. Of all the other things, that is the only thing that is there to see for all.

Even the whole experience thing is a bit humourous to me. Giggs gives the ball away more often than not, yet when Nani does, 'it's his inexperienced decision making etc'. What is the upside of playing the experienced guy who does the same thing, at least as frequently? Nani, despite his inexperience has gotten more goals and assists than Giggs this season i believe, so i'd like to know, in real terms, how the team benefits over the course of 90mins from the fact that Giggs happens to be older than Nani. I reckon being an older head is useful in the club, but on the pitch, only those who can do the job best should play. Otherwise Fergie should be in the team for his experience!

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Originally Posted by kanchelskis14

That's just a silly way to divert the argument, by trying to take the piss. We're having a reasonable debate here, undoubtedly people will see your clever gif and post a series of lol's, but the fact is there is a point to my post.

And if you don't feel Giggs will be back to his best, then are you saying you expect him to maintain this form? You did imply in your previous post that this was some sort of temporary blip that's all.
Yes Nani has just arrived etc. Again. That is more theory. In terms of what has happened on the pitch, he has been better than Giggs. If he is 'hit and miss', what is Giggs? Giggs plays poorly more often than he plays well nowadays.

And Nani should be ahead of Park. Park just about levels out as 'decent' or 'alright', Nani can do special things, and is producing them more often nowadays.

As for 'sitting back and letting the guys in charge worry', what kind of fecking statement is that?! Is that not what we're here for?

Ixion · 27th September 2008, 12:23

Leagues: 10
European Cups: 2
FA Cups: 4
League Cups: 2
Super Cup: 1
Intercontinental Cup: 1

Greedy bugger!

Successful · 27th September 2008, 12:40

Here's a very very good example of what experience brings K14. Look at the difference between a 20 year old Zlatan Ibrahimovic (at 2:30) and a 30 year old Henrik Larsson (at 1:10). Listen to the commentator as he talks about Larssons penalty in san francisco back in '94 WC. And look at Ibrahimovic's smile. That is the most fake and nervous smile ever been delievered on Tv I'd say. And also have look at Makaay as he takes the beauty of the shoot out. That is delivered by a super experienced sniper.

The Law of Denis · 27th September 2008, 15:00

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Originally Posted by Successful

Here's a very very good example of what experience brings K14. Look at the difference between a 20 year old Zlatan Ibrahimovic (at 2:30) and a 30 year old Henrik Larsson (at 1:10). Listen to the commentator as he talks about Larssons penalty in san francisco back in '94 WC. And look at Ibrahimovic's smile. That is the most fake and nervous smile ever been delievered on Tv I'd say. And also have look at Makaay as he takes the beauty of the shoot out. That is delivered by a super experienced sniper.

In the same shootout cocu misses and Robben scores

27th September 2008, 15:08

k14 is a muppet. He underrates all our players from the 90s. Gerrard better than keane, Kewell as good as Giggs, Scholes and Neville are overrated blah blah blah

Raven_Blade · 27th September 2008, 15:15

Thats good news. He deserves to continue for as long as he can. Ryan Giggs is an example to all young footballers.

Chorley1974 · 27th September 2008, 15:19

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Originally Posted by Lot 49

That Giggs should retire on a high or that we should sign a new winger once he goes?

He will know when it's the right time to retire, it's patronising to say go out on a high at the end of this season.

Successful · 27th September 2008, 15:41

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Originally Posted by The Law of Denis

In the same shootout cocu misses and Robben scores

I took two obvious examples. One player who so obviously couldn't handle the pressure and one who is 100% confident in what he's doing. Robben hardly had the same weight on his shoulders as Zlatan. Robben is just one among a million stars while Zlatan were supposed to be mr self confident and mega star with the kind of attitude he has. Today he's a complete player who can handle the pressure well and play on a high level during 90 minutes game after game.

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032Devil First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,993	Giggs: "an incredible human being" <a href="http://d.mediadakine.com/ck.php?n=ad232b97&cb=59127" target="_blank"><img src="http://d.mediadakine.com/avw.php?zoneid=81&cb=59127&n=ad232b97" border="0" alt="" /></a> Man Utd boss Ferguson sees Giggs playing on next year tribalfootball.com Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has hailed veteran Ryan Giggs as "an incredible human being". His audacious goal in midweek against Middlesbrough left Giggs just five away from becoming only the ninth player to score 150 times for the Old Trafford outfit. And although his present contract expires next summer, Ferguson can see no reason why Giggs should not get another. "Ryan is an incredible human being. He could play for another year, no problem at all," said Ferguson. "He might be 35 in November but he is exceptionally fit. "The secret is to manage him the right way because he can still decide games for us. We just have to keep him fresh and make sure he has the motivation because I want him to continue. "He is a fantastic person to have about the place. The experience he brings is invaluable. "There are certain types of people you only get once in a lifetime. Ryan is just a complete one-off." On Tuesday, Giggs floated around behind Cristiano Ronaldo and Danny Welbeck, creating havoc wherever he went. At the same time, Nani was doing the job that was once his, forcing the Boro defenders onto the back foot with his dazzling wing play. That task is no longer Giggs' to perform, with Ferguson certain the former Wales captain can be equally effective in his new central role. "At 34, tramping up and down the touchline is beyond Ryan now," said Ferguson. "You have to respect the job he has done for us going up and down that touchline over so many years. "No-one in the Premier League comes anywhere near him in terms of his adaptability. "But I look upon him as a central player, either in midfield or up front."

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27th September 2008, 06:29	#2 (permalink)
Alex Spam Alert! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Dances With Smurfs Posts: 34,159	I see him playing next year as well

27th September 2008, 09:55	#3 (permalink)
RedRob Youth Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Inexplicable fourth year of studenting underway! Posts: 423	Does this mean that essentially we've got 3 wingers - Ronaldo, Park and Nani - battling it out for two spots? Obviously Hargreaves can do a job there when required, but in terms of natural wingers playing on the wing, it's just those three?

27th September 2008, 10:20	#7 (permalink)
Crustanoid First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: SpoSpa revolution Posts: 6,555	If Ronaldo wants to see what a United legend looks like - Giggs is an example

27th September 2008, 11:07	#8 (permalink)
kouroux First Team Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Poitiers(86)/France Posts: 14,786	A dying breed of players

27th September 2008, 11:20	#9 (permalink)
KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 15,957	We've got to make the most of him whilst we still have him. He is one of the most wonderful elements of this football club. Just how many players, in any generation, can claim to have played professionally for one club, whilst becoming this decorated? A handful is the answer. We've been so lucky to watch Giggs.

27th September 2008, 12:23	#13 (permalink)
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27th September 2008, 12:40	#14 (permalink)
Successful Straight Guy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: On top of the league Posts: 3,471	Here's a very very good example of what experience brings K14. Look at the difference between a 20 year old Zlatan Ibrahimovic (at 2:30) and a 30 year old Henrik Larsson (at 1:10). Listen to the commentator as he talks about Larssons penalty in san francisco back in '94 WC. And look at Ibrahimovic's smile. That is the most fake and nervous smile ever been delievered on Tv I'd say. And also have look at Makaay as he takes the beauty of the shoot out. That is delivered by a super experienced sniper.

27th September 2008, 15:08	#16 (permalink)
Merman Guest Posts: n/a	k14 is a muppet. He underrates all our players from the 90s. Gerrard better than keane, Kewell as good as Giggs, Scholes and Neville are overrated blah blah blah

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Raven_Blade Attention Whoring Common Crow Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: You cant reason with stupidity. Posts: 25,069	Thats good news. He deserves to continue for as long as he can. Ryan Giggs is an example to all young footballers.