Giggs vs Phil Neal

spinoza · 4th July 2008, 11:12

Was in a discussion with a Liverpool supporter last night. Does anyone know how many medals has Phil Neal won? I thought Giggs has more medals than anyone else by now in all competitions, but my friend insisted that Phil Neal is still ahead by one, and in any case has more European Cups.

I reckon the European Cup bit is true, but I'm fairly sure Giggs is ahead in terms of total medals.

Anyone know? i can't be arsed to google.

Partizan · 4th July 2008, 11:18

Four European Cups, Eight league titles. Not sure about Fa Cups, League cups, or EUFA cups. Will check.

Johan77 · 4th July 2008, 11:24

Neal has 7 league titles, 4 European Cups, 1 UEFA Cup, 5 Charity Shield, 4 League Cups and 1 European Super Cup. If I count correctly, that makes it 22 titles.

Giggs has 10 league titles, 2 European Cups, 6 Charity Shield, 2 League Cups, 1 European Super Cup, 1 Intercontinental Cup and 4 FA-cups. That makes it 26.

Note that Neal don't have a FA-cup

UnitedRoadRed · 4th July 2008, 11:25

A quick Google turns up:

Honours with Liverpool: First Division Championship: 1975/76, 1976/77, 1978/79, 1979/80, 1981/82, 1982/83 & 1983/84, League (Milk) Cup 1981, 1982, 1983 & 1984, European Cup 1977, 1978, 1981 & 1984, UEFA Cup 1976, Charity Shield 1976, 1977 (shared), 1979, 1980 & 1982, European Super Cup 1977

Moston Red · 4th July 2008, 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johan77

Neal has 7 league titles, 4 European Cups, 1 UEFA Cup, 5 Charity Shield, 4 League Cups and 1 European Super Cup. If I count correctly, that makes it 22 titles.

Giggs has 10 league titles, 2 European Cups, 6 Charity Shield, 2 League Cups, 1 European Super Cup, 1 Intercontinental Cup and 4 FA-cups. That makes it 26.

Note that Neal don't have a FA-cup

Pretty impressive you'd have to say.

charleysurf · 4th July 2008, 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johan77

Neal has 7 league titles, 4 European Cups, 1 UEFA Cup, 5 Charity Shield, 4 League Cups and 1 European Super Cup. If I count correctly, that makes it 22 titles.

Giggs has 10 league titles, 2 European Cups, 6 Charity Shield, 2 League Cups, 1 European Super Cup, 1 Intercontinental Cup and 4 FA-cups. That makes it 26.

Note that Neal don't have a FA-cup

Does not make much difference in this case, but only Liverpool and Arsenal fans count the Charity shield as a proper trophy.

horselesspaul · 4th July 2008, 11:27

Phil Neal:
Honours: 4 European Cups, 8 League Championships, 4 League Cups, 1 UEFA Cup.

Ryan Giggs :
Honours: 2 European Cups, 10 League Championships, 4 F.A Cups, 2 League Cups, 1 UEFA Super Cup, 1 Intercontinental Cup.

Giggs > Neal..

spinoza · 4th July 2008, 11:33

So Giggs > Neal in everything except European Cups and League Cups.

Maybe that's why he's still playing on

redman5 · 4th July 2008, 11:38

Neal's Anfield career lasted 11 years (1974-1985). The only major trophy he never won was the FA Cup. The year after he left, Liverpool beat Everton 3-1 in the FA Cup final...............The bastards.

A1Dan · 4th July 2008, 11:45

So let's cut this down to the ones that matter:

Phil Neal:
Honours: 4 European Cups, 8 League Championships = 12

Ryan Giggs :
Honours: 2 European Cups, 10 League Championships, 4 F.A Cups = 16

So still Giggs > Neal, however you look at it.

charleysurf · 4th July 2008, 11:48

Phil Neal demanded £3500 from the Observer for his thoughts on the Heysel tragedy.

Giggs >>>> Neal in every way.

hycool · 4th July 2008, 11:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by redman5

Neal's Anfield career lasted 11 years (1974-1985). The only major trophy he never won was the FA Cup. The year after he left, Liverpool beat Everton 3-1 in the FA Cup final...............The bastards.

spinoza · 4th July 2008, 11:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by charleysurf

Phil Neal demanded £3500 from the Observer for his thoughts on the Heysel tragedy.

Surely not!

Partizan · 4th July 2008, 12:04

Phil Neal, heart of a Lion, face of a rat.

Barry Red · 4th July 2008, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by charleysurf

Phil Neal demanded £3500 from the Observer for his thoughts on the Heysel tragedy.

Surely to God this can't be true...... Surely nobody could be that much of an unprincipled twat.......

One thing that is true, however, is that many years ago he took over at Cardiff City as manager, made a lot of noise about how he was going to steer the club to glory then immediately fecked off to Man City to be assistant manager to (I believe) Steve Coppell. No doubt somebody who knows more about the Bluebirds than I do will come on and confirm, but I'm sure he didn't even take charge for one competitive match and I believe he was only in charge a matter of a day or two before he decided that the grass was greener at Maine Road.

charleysurf · 4th July 2008, 16:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Red

Surely to God this can't be true...... Surely nobody could be that much of an unprincipled twat.......

You can look it up. The Observer were doing a piece on the anniversary of Heysel and asked Phil Neal for his thoughts as he was famous for crying with the emotion of the tragedy. He replied that they would have to pay him to talk as the journalist in question would be making money off his words.

He got a shock when the Observer refused his demand and instead revealed it in an article.

redevil2 · 4th July 2008, 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johan77

Neal has 7 league titles, 4 European Cups, 1 UEFA Cup, 5 Charity Shield, 4 League Cups and 1 European Super Cup. If I count correctly, that makes it 22 titles.

Giggs has 10 league titles, 2 European Cups, 6 Charity Shield, 2 League Cups, 1 European Super Cup, 1 Intercontinental Cup and 4 FA-cups. That makes it 26.

Note that Neal don't have a FA-cup

26 medals > 22 medals

Giggs > Neal

A1Dan · 4th July 2008, 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Red

Surely to God this can't be true...... Surely nobody could be that much of an unprincipled twat.......

Here you go:

I'd rather forget that night. It was an ordeal. But, Jamie, why should I help you out? I'm helping you pay your mortgage [by talking to you about Heysel]. When people ask me for my view, they usually have to pay for it. You're asking for my help for nothing. To pay your mortgage, Jamie. I mean, what do you want from me?

I just thought that as the captain of Liverpool football club on that night at Heysel it would be good to hear your view?

Yes but what do you want from me? If I talk to you for a few minutes, then I'm helping you pay your mortgage and what am I getting in return? Do you know what I mean?

Well, I have been to Italy and talked with some of the families of the victims and they say that the trophy should be given back by Juventus to commemorate what happened.

About Juventus? Why are you asking me? Why are you asking someone on the Liverpool side? Juventus made amends very soon. Ask them ... Jamie I'm helping you pay your mortgage. People who want my views pay.

I'm sorry, but everyone else I have spoken to has ...

Great. So you've spoken to people, you've got your views. You've got your Liverpool view, but if you want mine for free, well people pay for them.

KeyserSoze · 4th July 2008, 16:39

Lets face it both of their accomplishments are very impressive... im siding with Giggs of course.

R0nald0 · 4th July 2008, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1Dan

Here you go:

I'd rather forget that night. It was an ordeal. But, Jamie, why should I help you out? I'm helping you pay your mortgage [by talking to you about Heysel]. When people ask me for my view, they usually have to pay for it. You're asking for my help for nothing. To pay your mortgage, Jamie. I mean, what do you want from me?

I just thought that as the captain of Liverpool football club on that night at Heysel it would be good to hear your view?

Yes but what do you want from me? If I talk to you for a few minutes, then I'm helping you pay your mortgage and what am I getting in return? Do you know what I mean?

Well, I have been to Italy and talked with some of the families of the victims and they say that the trophy should be given back by Juventus to commemorate what happened.

About Juventus? Why are you asking me? Why are you asking someone on the Liverpool side? Juventus made amends very soon. Ask them ... Jamie I'm helping you pay your mortgage. People who want my views pay.

I'm sorry, but everyone else I have spoken to has ...

Great. So you've spoken to people, you've got your views. You've got your Liverpool view, but if you want mine for free, well people pay for them.

WHAT A COMPLETE COCK. WOULD BE GOOD TO HEAR A LIVERPOOL FANS VIEW.......... ANYONE?

I LOVE CAPSLOCK

redevil2 · 4th July 2008, 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by R0nald0

WHAT A COMPLETE COCK.

He's probably the one who spurred the team on to play the Game during that time in the dressing room, knowing full well there were Juv fans dying or dead, and some of the players have not wanted to play in view of the disaster!

Crumpsall Red · 4th July 2008, 20:24

What an absolute disgrace of a man ...... and what an absoluely average full back. Was never anything special.

Dominant · 4th July 2008, 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1Dan

Here you go:

I'd rather forget that night. It was an ordeal. But, Jamie, why should I help you out? I'm helping you pay your mortgage [by talking to you about Heysel]. When people ask me for my view, they usually have to pay for it. You're asking for my help for nothing. To pay your mortgage, Jamie. I mean, what do you want from me?

I just thought that as the captain of Liverpool football club on that night at Heysel it would be good to hear your view?

Yes but what do you want from me? If I talk to you for a few minutes, then I'm helping you pay your mortgage and what am I getting in return? Do you know what I mean?

Well, I have been to Italy and talked with some of the families of the victims and they say that the trophy should be given back by Juventus to commemorate what happened.

About Juventus? Why are you asking me? Why are you asking someone on the Liverpool side? Juventus made amends very soon. Ask them ... Jamie I'm helping you pay your mortgage. People who want my views pay.

I'm sorry, but everyone else I have spoken to has ...

Great. So you've spoken to people, you've got your views. You've got your Liverpool view, but if you want mine for free, well people pay for them.

WOW.

WHAT A DICK!

Alex · 4th July 2008, 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by charleysurf

Phil Neal demanded £3500 from the Observer for his thoughts on the Heysel tragedy.

Giggs >>>> Neal in every way.

What a sick fuck

ninja_alan · 5th July 2008, 03:00

Giggs> Neal. End of discussion.

Ramshock · 5th July 2008, 11:08

i take it we can type in capital letters now? nice

Mad · 5th July 2008, 11:14

Giggs > *

End of discussion.

Chorley1974 · 5th July 2008, 11:41

Dear Mr Neal,

I'm currently struggling financially due to the credit crunch. Please will you help me pay my mortgage?

Thanks

a_devil_inside · 5th July 2008, 16:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramshock

i take it we can type in capital letters now? nice

I'LL TRY THIS OUT

Barry Red · 5th July 2008, 16:52

So it's true... I had hoped that nobody would stoop this low and I am trying not to let my disappointment get the better of me.. I can't help but think that John Lennon would have had this type of person in mind when he wrote "Crippled Inside".

4th July 2008, 11:12	#1 (permalink)
spinoza Paz's ion Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Everything is "blarg". Posts: 22,077	Giggs vs Phil Neal Was in a discussion with a Liverpool supporter last night. Does anyone know how many medals has Phil Neal won? I thought Giggs has more medals than anyone else by now in all competitions, but my friend insisted that Phil Neal is still ahead by one, and in any case has more European Cups. I reckon the European Cup bit is true, but I'm fairly sure Giggs is ahead in terms of total medals. Anyone know? i can't be arsed to google.

4th July 2008, 11:18	#2 (permalink)
Partizan Cheesy Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The frozen tundra, working in a bun shop. I have been in your homes, and they are DIRTY. Posts: 2,981	Four European Cups, Eight league titles. Not sure about Fa Cups, League cups, or EUFA cups. Will check.

4th July 2008, 11:24	#3 (permalink)
Johan77 Youth Team Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 200	Neal has 7 league titles, 4 European Cups, 1 UEFA Cup, 5 Charity Shield, 4 League Cups and 1 European Super Cup. If I count correctly, that makes it 22 titles. Giggs has 10 league titles, 2 European Cups, 6 Charity Shield, 2 League Cups, 1 European Super Cup, 1 Intercontinental Cup and 4 FA-cups. That makes it 26. Note that Neal don't have a FA-cup

4th July 2008, 11:25	#4 (permalink)
UnitedRoadRed Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,103	A quick Google turns up: Honours with Liverpool: First Division Championship: 1975/76, 1976/77, 1978/79, 1979/80, 1981/82, 1982/83 & 1983/84, League (Milk) Cup 1981, 1982, 1983 & 1984, European Cup 1977, 1978, 1981 & 1984, UEFA Cup 1976, Charity Shield 1976, 1977 (shared), 1979, 1980 & 1982, European Super Cup 1977

4th July 2008, 11:27	#7 (permalink)
horselesspaul Man U fan Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: It's Manchester United, United or Man United. Posts: 1,933	Phil Neal: Honours: 4 European Cups, 8 League Championships, 4 League Cups, 1 UEFA Cup. Ryan Giggs : Honours: 2 European Cups, 10 League Championships, 4 F.A Cups, 2 League Cups, 1 UEFA Super Cup, 1 Intercontinental Cup. Giggs > Neal..

4th July 2008, 11:33	#8 (permalink)
spinoza Paz's ion Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Everything is "blarg". Posts: 22,077	So Giggs > Neal in everything except European Cups and League Cups. Maybe that's why he's still playing on

4th July 2008, 11:38	#9 (permalink)
redman5 - 18 years without a title and shit at maths. Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Living next door to Alice Posts: 1,145	Neal's Anfield career lasted 11 years (1974-1985). The only major trophy he never won was the FA Cup. The year after he left, Liverpool beat Everton 3-1 in the FA Cup final...............The bastards.

4th July 2008, 11:45	#10 (permalink)
A1Dan First Team Regular Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Where the goals come from. Posts: 10,762	So let's cut this down to the ones that matter: Phil Neal: Honours: 4 European Cups, 8 League Championships = 12 Ryan Giggs : Honours: 2 European Cups, 10 League Championships, 4 F.A Cups = 16 So still Giggs > Neal, however you look at it.

4th July 2008, 11:48	#11 (permalink)
charleysurf Talks sense Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,406	Phil Neal demanded £3500 from the Observer for his thoughts on the Heysel tragedy. Giggs >>>> Neal in every way.

4th July 2008, 12:04	#14 (permalink)
Partizan Cheesy Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The frozen tundra, working in a bun shop. I have been in your homes, and they are DIRTY. Posts: 2,981	Phil Neal, heart of a Lion, face of a rat.

4th July 2008, 16:39	#19 (permalink)
KeyserSoze First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Way I Hear It Soze's Some Kind Of Butcher Posts: 6,979	Lets face it both of their accomplishments are very impressive... im siding with Giggs of course.

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Crumpsall Red Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Folkestone Posts: 780	What an absolute disgrace of a man ...... and what an absoluely average full back. Was never anything special.

5th July 2008, 03:00	#25 (permalink)
ninja_alan Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Discharged Posts: 1,510	Giggs> Neal. End of discussion.

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Ramshock poster of nonsense Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Stretford End for the Irish!! Posts: 3,017	i take it we can type in capital letters now? nice

5th July 2008, 11:14	#27 (permalink)
Mad Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Location, Location. Posts: 971	Giggs > * End of discussion.

5th July 2008, 11:41	#28 (permalink)
Chorley1974 Lady Ole Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,966	Dear Mr Neal, I'm currently struggling financially due to the credit crunch. Please will you help me pay my mortgage? Thanks

5th July 2008, 16:52	#30 (permalink)
Barry Red Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: S Wales Posts: 663	So it's true... I had hoped that nobody would stoop this low and I am trying not to let my disappointment get the better of me.. I can't help but think that John Lennon would have had this type of person in mind when he wrote "Crippled Inside".