Greatest loss to a United side

Fuengirola Red · 22nd June 2008, 14:19

Would it be George Best or Ronaldo ,as comparison's go they were both all ways compaired with each other ,but I feel there the comparisons end as I think the majority of fans wont hold Ronaldo in such a legendary status as Best ,but who was the most influential in there respective United sides

Rednails · 22nd June 2008, 14:20

Best, no contest.

KingEric7 · 22nd June 2008, 14:20

Robson.

We're still here.

Eto'odinho · 22nd June 2008, 14:24

I never saw Bestie play and all I have is a few clips of the great man and the grapevine. He was simply outstanding, at least in the few clips I have of him.
However, having seen Ronaldo play, I have to say the last two years have been nothing short of magical, so he probably wins that aspect.

On overall likeability, Ronaldo is a cnut whilst Georgie boy did cunts, so Georgie comes out on top.

soulblight3r · 22nd June 2008, 15:25

Wasn't born during the Best era so can't comment but I think the biggest loss will be when SAF steps down

TakeMeHome · 22nd June 2008, 15:26

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Originally Posted by soulblight3r

Wasn't born during the Best era so can't comment but I think the biggest loss will be when SAF steps down

Have to agree with that. Im dreading that day.

ralphie88 · 22nd June 2008, 15:35

As KingEric says, there have been loads of players who have seemed irreplacable but when they've gone we've survived, and even got better - Robson, Van Nistelrooy, Keane....

One of the biggest gaps left when a player left during my lifetime was when Schmeichel left. Took us a very long time to find a replacement.

Alex · 22nd June 2008, 15:36

Edwards

Sky1981 · 22nd June 2008, 16:02

We'll miss Ronaldo (if he indeed leave, which I'm sure he won't, could have been a salary increase bluff),

but then again, even with no additional wonderkid, we won't do too badly, I remember we win the leaque without him, without Beckham, Without Ruud, and without Keane times before.

surf · 22nd June 2008, 16:42

They are different situations. Best faded away gradually by becoming unreliable. When Ronaldo leaves it'll be a clean break.

I think Best was more influential because the team was more reliant on him. Law and Charlton were getting old and the rest weren't that good compared to the current players. Best was going to be the player to keep United at the top. The current team is stronger and will remain in contention even if Ronaldo leaves.

Psmith · 22nd June 2008, 16:57

Schmichel (Goalies cost us at least one EC)

Surprised no one mentioned Cantona

Tumbling-Dice · 22nd June 2008, 17:04

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Originally Posted by Alex

Edwards

Exactly.

The Babes.

Close thread.

Vinay · 22nd June 2008, 17:18

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Originally Posted by Alex

Edwards

From that has been heard about this lad, this has got to be true... And it took us a good number of years to recover, even with Matt Busby... And it took the likes of Charlton, Law and Best to take over...

Vinay · 22nd June 2008, 17:20

But on another note, it took us 26 years to recover from the loss of the likes of Law, Charlton and Best... To win the Premiership that is to say.

Sonny Feehan · 22nd June 2008, 17:31

Edwards and Best would have played in the same team with Busby as manager. Add Charlton, Law, and Coleman to the mix and you would never have heard of Liverpool.

Cold_Boy · 22nd June 2008, 17:41

Not everyone can anwser this question or is entitled to imo.

I have only seen Best through recorded matches or other videos.He was a great player but its impossible to tell who is greater loss to United.

manux399 · 22nd June 2008, 20:05

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Originally Posted by Tumbling-Dice

Exactly.

The Babes.

Close thread.

Seconded..!

M160RA · 22nd June 2008, 20:08

Neither. Munich was the greatest loss.

Elessar · 22nd June 2008, 20:12

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Neither. Munich was the greatest loss.

seconed

Chorley1974 · 22nd June 2008, 20:34

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Originally Posted by Elessar

seconed

I agee, keep the red flag flying high, because Man Utd will never die!

ave fenix · 22nd June 2008, 20:39

This is a no-brainer.Best.Enough said.

Sultan · 22nd June 2008, 20:53

Ralph Milne

Nem 7 · 22nd June 2008, 21:06

Big Pete.

Nem 7 · 22nd June 2008, 21:06

or Stam.

FlawlessThaw · 22nd June 2008, 21:46

Just adding a player not mentioned here Irwin - took us an age to find a decent left back to take over from him. Providing both consistency and attacking threat. Had a few false hopes with John 'beckenbauer' O'Shea, Mikky Silvest and Judas but finally SAF found Evra.

ecantona7 · 22nd June 2008, 22:16

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Originally Posted by Cold_Boy

Not everyone can anwser this question or is entitled to imo.

I have only seen Best through recorded matches or other videos.He was a great player but its impossible to tell who is greater loss to United.

probably only the likes of topper and BR are the only ones old enough to make a valid judgement on this.

Grande · 22nd June 2008, 23:26

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Originally Posted by Nem 7

Big Pete.

In my time, The Great Dane has got to be the most influential loss.

Strategically, though, we could never afford to be without a leader in defence (Bruce, Stam, Rio).

Losing Becks also took some time sorting out (waiting for Ronnie).

Honestly, I think we can recover without Ronaldo, but some other players will have to grow. Best is hard to judge, as we were equally dependent on Law and Charlton, and they all faded simultaneously.

Duncan Edwards is an obvious candidate, though hard to tell as we lost 9 or 10 other players in the same instant.

BillyBob · 23rd June 2008, 05:03

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Originally Posted by surf

They are different situations. Best faded away gradually by becoming unreliable. When Ronaldo leaves it'll be a clean break.

I think Best was more influential because the team was more reliant on him. Law and Charlton were getting old and the rest weren't that good compared to the current players. Best was going to be the player to keep United at the top. The current team is stronger and will remain in contention even if Ronaldo leaves.

Agreed. It was incredibly sad to see Georgie's behaviour becoming increasingly erratic. The team needed him more at that time than we need Ronaldo now.

jojojo · 23rd June 2008, 07:05

Such different times/circumstance that it's hard to even really compare. The Best that left us was in trouble and we'd had plenty of warning. The team was in trouble as well, and was in trouble really from the day it won the European Cup. Of course, I was young enough then to always harbour the faint hope that Best was going to come back and be great again - just as every year I thought we were in with a chance of the title until it became mathematically impossible (actually that idea wasn't something I got past until 93

)

Ronaldo's in his prime and the team are strong - and should get even better next year, which is why the thought of losing him now hurts even more, I wanted to see "that" team.

Shane Bluck · 23rd June 2008, 07:15

Graham Hogg.

No question.

bcubed · 23rd June 2008, 07:52

Edwards,

followed by the ageing of sir Matt.

UnitedRoadRed · 23rd June 2008, 11:05

We won the title another two seasons on the bounce after Schmeichel left.
Keano left a bigger gap imo.

Obviously the biggest was Munich, then probably the whole post 68 wind down.

Doevle · 23rd June 2008, 11:16

David May

22nd June 2008, 14:19	#1 (permalink)
Fuengirola Red Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Costa del Sol Posts: 762	Greatest loss to a United side Would it be George Best or Ronaldo ,as comparison's go they were both all ways compaired with each other ,but I feel there the comparisons end as I think the majority of fans wont hold Ronaldo in such a legendary status as Best ,but who was the most influential in there respective United sides

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Rednails Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lancashire Posts: 583	Best, no contest.

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KingEric7 Winner of the Tabata bet Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Patrice Evra is that which no greater can be conceived. Posts: 13,266	Robson. We're still here.

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Eto'odinho Retard magnet Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cirith Ungol Posts: 8,820	I never saw Bestie play and all I have is a few clips of the great man and the grapevine. He was simply outstanding, at least in the few clips I have of him. However, having seen Ronaldo play, I have to say the last two years have been nothing short of magical, so he probably wins that aspect. On overall likeability, Ronaldo is a cnut whilst Georgie boy did cunts, so Georgie comes out on top.

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soulblight3r Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 1966 was a great year for English football...Eric was born.. Posts: 2,339	Wasn't born during the Best era so can't comment but I think the biggest loss will be when SAF steps down

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ralphie88 Bitterer than a bitter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: http://www.joinmust.org/ Posts: 6,505	As KingEric says, there have been loads of players who have seemed irreplacable but when they've gone we've survived, and even got better - Robson, Van Nistelrooy, Keane.... One of the biggest gaps left when a player left during my lifetime was when Schmeichel left. Took us a very long time to find a replacement.

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Alex Spam Alert! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: British Columbia Posts: 18,978	Edwards

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Sky1981 Fending Off the Urge Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The reminiscence of long lost glory from the past Posts: 2,850	We'll miss Ronaldo (if he indeed leave, which I'm sure he won't, could have been a salary increase bluff), but then again, even with no additional wonderkid, we won't do too badly, I remember we win the leaque without him, without Beckham, Without Ruud, and without Keane times before.

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surf Reserve Team Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: In the wilderness Posts: 1,622	They are different situations. Best faded away gradually by becoming unreliable. When Ronaldo leaves it'll be a clean break. I think Best was more influential because the team was more reliant on him. Law and Charlton were getting old and the rest weren't that good compared to the current players. Best was going to be the player to keep United at the top. The current team is stronger and will remain in contention even if Ronaldo leaves.

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Psmith First Team Sub Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Posts: 6,238	Schmichel (Goalies cost us at least one EC) Surprised no one mentioned Cantona

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Vinay Muppet in Training Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: On a Rose-Hill Posts: 4,278	But on another note, it took us 26 years to recover from the loss of the likes of Law, Charlton and Best... To win the Premiership that is to say.

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Nem 7 Look, I'm a cunt, can type in colour so I must be important. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Outside Right Posts: 4,899	Big Pete.

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Nem 7 Look, I'm a cunt, can type in colour so I must be important. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Outside Right Posts: 4,899	or Stam.

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Sonny Feehan Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,098	Edwards and Best would have played in the same team with Busby as manager. Add Charlton, Law, and Coleman to the mix and you would never have heard of Liverpool.

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Cold_Boy Amit Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: somewhere i hate to live Posts: 9,782	Not everyone can anwser this question or is entitled to imo. I have only seen Best through recorded matches or other videos.He was a great player but its impossible to tell who is greater loss to United.

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M160RA Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,770	Neither. Munich was the greatest loss.

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ave fenix Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 19º 00' North of the Equator 70º 40' West of Greenwich. Posts: 942	This is a no-brainer.Best.Enough said.

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Sultan Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown Posts: 16,272	Ralph Milne

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FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 9,529	Just adding a player not mentioned here Irwin - took us an age to find a decent left back to take over from him. Providing both consistency and attacking threat. Had a few false hopes with John 'beckenbauer' O'Shea, Mikky Silvest and Judas but finally SAF found Evra.

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jojojo Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: It was a life before - it'll be a life after Posts: 1,494	Such different times/circumstance that it's hard to even really compare. The Best that left us was in trouble and we'd had plenty of warning. The team was in trouble as well, and was in trouble really from the day it won the European Cup. Of course, I was young enough then to always harbour the faint hope that Best was going to come back and be great again - just as every year I thought we were in with a chance of the title until it became mathematically impossible (actually that idea wasn't something I got past until 93 ) Ronaldo's in his prime and the team are strong - and should get even better next year, which is why the thought of losing him now hurts even more, I wanted to see "that" team.

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Shane Bluck Chef and honorary fat bloke in the Warrington Gimp Collective Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Quietly going about my business. Posts: 16,651	Graham Hogg. No question.

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bcubed Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Endeavouring to persevere in observation of all things futile. Posts: 861	Edwards, followed by the ageing of sir Matt.

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UnitedRoadRed Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,103	We won the title another two seasons on the bounce after Schmeichel left. Keano left a bigger gap imo. Obviously the biggest was Munich, then probably the whole post 68 wind down.

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Doevle Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LUHG Posts: 1,165	David May