Green and Gold till the club is Sold!

Cling Bak

Imagine if they didn't notice and that snuck through.

Castolo

The only genuinely effective message is empty seats.

Cling Bak

Cheers mate, we'll get onto it right away.

theimperialinn

I'm getting quite excited by all this

chris2403

why has nobody said this before??????

seriously though, i can think of many messages that would be quite effective. some are a little extreme and i dont really want to be put onto some sort of watchlist so ill keep them to myself.

AgainstAllOdds

Is your seat empty?

Cling Bak

The effigies of Glazer in 2005 being burned were hardly classy, but they got noticed, after all. It made people sit up and take it in.

RK

Top idea, this should be made to happen. I'd give people a while to catch onto the Green&Gold idea, then they'll know what's what when they get the sheets.

George the Giraffe

Cheers. I'm going to hold it up in the crowd or it will get confiscated straight away!

Hectic

Yep, rolls are 100 foot but the machine only prints out to 4ft width.

I design the banners so I could have made something amazing, but it would have been a giant waste of money, and also a massive fail, as getting that to OT would be impossible.

Sir A1ex

What do you design 100x4 ft banners for normally?

chris2403

i can think of "mesages" a lot less classy than that, i was merely taking the piss because people seem to be constantly popping into these threads, making the same point having not read the rest and realised that its been said thousands of times before and its clearly written in plain english what the point of all this is.

M13

Well why don't you organise that then.

Blair

He probably doesnt. The rolls are 100m long - that doesnt mean the banner would need to be that long.

Sir A1ex

I suppose. Still leaves the question of what these banners are. And why couldn't he just make us shorter ones, if 100 ft is not practical and too expensive (whose money is it anyway?).

redwhiteblack

This.

These parasitic greed worshippers speak no language other than profit or loss, it's wrong to view them with any degree of sentiment, as you would normal human beings who you meet day to day.

They don't give a fuck about your banners, so long as you keep turning up and coughing out money. And besides, they own the club - thus, they imploy the stewards, so it's not very difficult for them to simply enforce a zero tolerance approach to anti Glazer behaviour.

As long as you're in the ground, you're PAYING THE GLAZERS.

The only way to force these despicable pieces of shit out of our huge, beautiful, historic club is to start making organised match boycotts. And there is one major strength we have in that battle - the Stretford End. If every Stretty ticket holder/regular where to boycott all home games for just 2 months it would make World news, and it would start to make the vampiric scum feel a little more uneasy than a few banners from paying fans.

We need to start adopting a new mindset toward ANYTHING that goes in their pockets. No merch, No refreshments, No MUTV and ultimately, no attendance for home games in an organised manner.

What these horrible little demons are doing to our club is absolutely NOT ACCEPTABLE, and if we don't start pulling the plug right now, they will ruin what we have.

theimperialinn

I wish people without any contribution to make would just fuck off out of this thread. They are undermining everybody else's efforts.

This won't work, that won't work, what are you trying to achieve?

Do one ....... dickheads

Go start an anti-anti-glazer protest thread or something. The 5 of you can do all the moaning you want in there while the rest of us unite.

Sir Matt

I saw this looking around last night. Part of the price goes to MUST, but the ribbon on it isn't very big.

Love United Hate Glazer Green and Gold Ribbon T-Shirt from TShirtsUnited.com

chris2403

again you have missed the point of this thread. also, is it really reasonable to expect every stretford end st holder to boycott all games for 2 months, especially since it wont impact the glazers pocket one bit as the tickets were paid for months ago. i do get your point but as has been said many times before, were not ready yet and any attempt at something like this WILL fail.

Boothy

Exactly, this thread is for those who are going along with the green and gold stuff, like george who made a brilliant banner.

chris2403

can we possibly change the thread title to include the words "Read the fucking thread before posting", its really getting irritating

MST3K

well said, this should raise awareness, the more awareness the more who will come to the cause and then maybe we can think of an empty-seat protest.

right now i think people are bang on with this idea

Boothy

Sir A1ex

OK, point taken, but how do you start to mobilise that sort of action and bring people together, as well as ensuring that the media are watching when you do it?

As has been reiterated time and again i this and other threads, the idea of stuff like g&g is to build that "coallition of the willing" who can organise and execute that sort of protest.

For what it's worth, I do thinkg that mass boycotts buy ticket-holders are more effective than everybody giving up their season tickets (though I've had to give mine up anyway), as the latter situation just leads to thousands more daytrippers filling the gaps - if anything the Glazers make more money as they flood the megastore looking for jester hats. Whereas if everybody stays away for a match, all the bars and food-stands etc just make a loss.
An empty Stretford end for a match would be hard for even dozy cnuts like th BBC to ignore!

theimperialinn

It's not like the atmosphere has been banging anyway this season. The players probably wont know the difference.

Partizan

This is the only way, hit them where it hurts, cause a lot of disruption, and create massive(sorry) media interest.

fredthered

Its not often I agree with Weaste, but on this one I am afraid I do..

Ir did start somewhere..

It started almost 6 years ago, and what got done then ? sweet FA.... Because half of those people who are now running around promoting this were the ones who, when they were told what was going to happen, buried their heads in the sand and refused to listen. Ironic, they are only interested in getting rid of the Glazers now its abundantly clear the trophy haul is about to come to a stop. If United were pissing away with the league and winning everything hand over fist they wouldnt give two fucks about Glazer, just like they didnt when the trophies were coming in.

Standing around in green is NOT going to achieve anything other than make a few people believe they are making a concerted effort. An effort that should have been made FIVE YEARS AGO....

It may well ease their consciences that they refused to do anything when they were warned about this five long years ago.. But the fact remains, they didnt do what was needed, when it was needed, and the real way to get rid of Glazer requires a sacrifice that 99% of those running around promoting this are not prepared to make.

The only way to get rid of GLazer is to stop giving him money... There is no other way.

He is not going to sit their an shit bricks because you have all stumped up £40 to sit in one of his seats dressed in green. Hes actually gonna sit there saying "look at thsoe stupid cunts.. they are giving me £40 to sit there and tell me they dont want me inside Old Trafford"

You want Glazer out, then dont give him your money.. Parade outside Old Trafford all you want in green, yellow pink or red.. But you pay to go inside Old Trafford, you arent helping solve the problem.. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM...

Partizan

Fred, thats a message most won't take on board, because it involves actual sacrifice.

chris2403

really, you honestly dont get the point despite the fact that its been repeatedly said? it is definately in the cards to do things like this but the reason its not happened is because it simply wont be done in enough numbers atm to make it a success. if you can unite more of the fans and get them on board then you will have greater numbers and a better shot at making a difference. sure if you really dont agree with this then go ahead, organise something for this weekend. i find it a bit ironic that you are criticising people for not making a difference 5 years ago but its people like you who are slowing down those who are trying now. fail to prepare, prepare to fail, in this case part of the preperation is getting people on board and one way to do this is to unite them through a common theme or symbol, in this case green and gold/yellow.

fredthered

Where the fuck do you think most United fans have been for hte last five bloody years.. Stuck on bloody Mars ?

There is no awareness to be made.

You think United fans dont know already about the anti Glazer campaign.. They know damn well there is a Glazer Out campaign, and you know why they havent joined in before ? BECAUSE THEY COULDNT BE BOTHERED....

Everyone inside OT knows about the LUHG campaign. The real test is whether they are prepared to do anything constructive about it. Wearing Green isnt constructive. Its just a token sign to say "hey look I am anti Glazer" but it doesnt achieve anything. It just boosts their egos a bit that they have finally twigged whats going on. The only problem is its 5 years to fucking late....

If they want Glazer out, then theres one sure fire way to do it.. STOP GIVING HIM MONEY... End of story...

hungrywing

That's enough freebies from me. Nike, I work for cheap. Face-to-face introductions with Alison Stokke and Yuna Kim should do. I can handle the rest from there.

chris2403

i honestly dont think thats the case sadly. what harm will be done if people do this? its not going to make things worse and if a couple of hundered people join in because of it the its worth it. when people see more and more people joining in with this they are going to be less inclined to sit around and join in if only for the fear of looking like the odd one out. other things WILL happen soon enough but you have to get as many people off their arses first.

fredthered

FOR CRYING OUT FUCKING LOUD....

GET THEM ON BOARD OF A CAMPAIGN THAT THEY'VE KNOWN ABOUT FOR FIVE YEARS ??????

They already know about it.. But for five years they have chosen to ignore it.. Selling the club down the river for 3 league titles and a CL trophy..

When the trophies were piling in, they didnt give a fuck.. and if by some miracle United win the league this season those green and gold scarves will disappear, never to see the light of day....

People keep saying that this will get people on board.....

The train left 5 years ago, and they all stopped on the platform while the train went off without them.

It doesnt matter how many people wear green and gold inside OT, if they are paying him the money he wants, then it changes nothing... It just makes people feel they are doing something. But that something is too little too late...

If people want to show how committed they are to getting Glazer out, then dont buy tickets to games.. Tell mates to do the same.. Anything else is just a futile gesture. Its a "hey look at me.. I am Anti Glazer.. but only iin spirit cos I dont have hte balls to actually do what needs to be done"

R_Kelly

Fred we know something should have been done five years ago, you say it in every fucking post. We get it. Shut the fuck up about it.

fredthered

But sitting inside OT having paid for a ticket IS DOING NOTHING.... you can sit there shouting what you like, wearing what you like, but its not going to change anything until you are prepared to make that final push and refuse to give him the money..

If you cant sacrifice going to matches to help get rid of Glazer, then your heart isnt truly set on getting him out.. Its all just token words, and this is precisely what all this green and gold stuff is. A token gesture to say "we dont like Glazer". its easing peoples consciences, making them believe that after 5 years they finally plucked up the courage to do something...

You are not solving anything giving Glazer £40 and saying "we think you should leave".. hes sitting there counting all those £40s and wryly chuckling to himself saying "give me one good reason why I should when soft twats like you keep giving me the money"

chris2403

do you know what forget it, if your just going to resort to speaking to people like that then your not worth the effort. which games are season ticket holders not supposed to buy tickets for, milan? cause thats the only one left thats not already paid for. i wont be buying a season ticket next year but thats gonna do fuck all good now is, thats months away. if you are such a genius, how do we get people to give up going if they couldnt be bothered years ago?

MST3K

I agree that the most effective way is to hit them where it hurts. However people have said it didnt work last time because not enough people were joined in the cause (oblivious, naive, retarded whatever you want to call it). The fact is that its not 5 years ago, its now and we need to do something. The ideal behind it is that you wear the green and gold to make more people aware. The more aware and willing to join the better future efforts will be.

as the old cliche goes, rome wasnt built in a day. This is the starting of the snowball that when we need to step up and not go to games, everyone is on the same boat. Without organization this attempt is doomed.

fredthered

And its taken till now for you to work it out..

Well fuck me.. give hte lad a cookie...

chris2403

this is exactly why things didnt work 5 years ago, people getting high and mighty about it diving in head first thinking everybody else is a bunch of idiots, causing arguments and wasting efforts because people werent ready.

fredthered

Hang on, you sit there talking about raising awareness, making a stand and putting a point across, then when its mentioned that you could refuse to go inside OT, you turn around and say "but I've paid for it, so I might as well go"

You want to make a real gesture, one that will be noticed, just dont go inside the ground.. As you say, you've already paid, so you arent losing anything other than one game.... Are you really committed if you cant miss out on a game or two..

If all those ST holders refuse to go inside OT then thats nearly 90% of all the seats empty.. That will show more that any amount of gold shirts ever could...

Dont sit there telling me you want to make a point, when the real way of doing it is one you arent prepared to even consider...

As you say, you've already paid for the ST, so the moneys gone now anyway.. But why not just say "fuck it then" and make a real gesture and take that ST and burn it on the forecourt of Old Trafford and tell the cunts that there will be one more empty seat till they fuck off.