Hargreaves fitness

Nucks · 5th May 2008, 04:09

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Originally Posted by ralphie88

There's an entire thread devoted to this.

But the bottom line is Hargreaves has not yet looked up to the job in that position for us. If he did, he'd be playing there and not filling in at right back.

Bullshit. Hargreaves has been filling in at RB because NOBODY else on the team is fit enough to do it. Even if Hargreaves was far and away our best CM he'd STILL be filling in at RB. Now, if we didn't already have depth at CM we might not have that luxury, but we in fact do, so he does.

He also has had his best games for us this season centrally. Just because when he got into the attack in those games he occasionally floated wide doesn't mean he played as a winger as some here would have you believe. He played centrally for us in those games. He made attacking runs wide left, down the middle and wide right. Yet for whatever reason the people who claimed he was shit and not worthy just cannot let their arguments go.

You were wrong, get the fuck over it already, the whole reluctantly conceding he is a great player but still "shite" centrally is pathetic and extremely transparent.

Eto'odinho · 5th May 2008, 07:38

Long may it continue

Wes · 5th May 2008, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Nucks

Bullshit. Hargreaves has been filling in at RB because NOBODY else on the team is fit enough to do it. Even if Hargreaves was far and away our best CM he'd STILL be filling in at RB. Now, if we didn't already have depth at CM we might not have that luxury, but we in fact do, so he does.

Arguable. He's the only player who's played at rightback for any length of time. If he was our best CM, he wouldn't be playing rightback, thats not arguable, its a fact.

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Originally Posted by Nucks

He also has had his best games for us this season centrally. Just because when he got into the attack in those games he occasionally floated wide doesn't mean he played as a winger as some here would have you believe. He played centrally for us in those games. He made attacking runs wide left, down the middle and wide right. Yet for whatever reason the people who claimed he was shit and not worthy just cannot let their arguments go.

Gimme the games, I've seen every game this season. He's been playing out wide over the last while and florished because of it. Thats a good thing, but it doesn't negate the fact he's been absolute gash in the majority of the games he's played in the middle.

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Originally Posted by Nucks

You were wrong, get the fuck over it already, the whole reluctantly conceding he is a great player but still "shite" centrally is pathetic and extremely transparent.

I said all along that he should play, just not ahead of Carrick, who's clearly a better central midfielder than he is. I was saying he should do what Gattuso does for Milan, for us. i.e. play just to the right of somebody who can pass the ball. As for the pro-hargreaves idiots being right, please don't be silly.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 5th May 2008, 15:19

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

He's been class ever since he finally got a run of games on the trot. Which is exactly what most (sensible) posters have been saying all season. Give the lad a chance and judge him after a decent spell in the team. He's been class at right-back and in midfield (remember Roma?) but has played more games as full-back because that's where he's needed most.

Why not just admit you were a bit premature in writing him off?

The cheap-shots about his price-tag and (strangely effective) habit of taking the ball towards the touch-line, with his first touch, are unnecessary.

Well said Pogue

Van Piorsing · 5th May 2008, 15:23

That's simply Owen Hargeraves.

German school of football produced a complete player who will always stay cool in important matches and turn his work into a good results for the team.

I reckon his 2nd season at Old Trafford will be even better.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 5th May 2008, 15:23

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Originally Posted by Wes

Arguable. He's the only player who's played at rightback for any length of time. If he was our best CM, he wouldn't be playing rightback, thats not arguable, its a fact.

Gimme the games, I've seen every game this season. He's been playing out wide over the last while and florished because of it. Thats a good thing, but it doesn't negate the fact he's been absolute gash in the majority of the games he's played in the middle.

I said all along that he should play, just not ahead of Carrick, who's clearly a better central midfielder than he is. I was saying he should do what Gattuso does for Milan, for us. i.e. play just to the right of somebody who can pass the ball. As for the pro-hargreaves idiots being right, please don't be silly.

The only idiot around is you. & The others clinging to the false belief that Hargreaves is shit as a player and in midfield when he has already started to prove you wrong. A thing that wont end any time soon.

Grande · 5th May 2008, 15:23

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Originally Posted by Tevez32

Totally agree with you. And he is equally effective as a CM. I don't know how some of the fans here think Carrick is head and shoulders above Hargreaves. Hargreaves is the best defensive midfielder England has got. THat's why he is picked in the England squad ahead of Carrick. Carrick is a fine player but he is a central midfielder not a defensive central midfielder. There are better CMs than Carrick within England ranks but none better in defensive midfield than Hargreaves.

So it is not pointless having Hargreaves. But because of his outstanding crossing ability he is equally effective in wingback. And his running is only matched by Evra.

I agree with much of your analysis, but it is the wrong analysis.

The point is not who is the best CM/HM/DM for England or any hypothetical team. The point is who is best for Man Utd (and where).

Carrick in a deep central position is the key to our best defensive and best attacking displays. His strengths fit Uniteds play to a tee.
With Hargreaves in a similar position at United, we look seriously vulnerable at the back and seriously tame when attacking. He can do much, but not position himself and not spread the right balls for the runners to run with. Even as an inside forward in a midfield 3, he hasn't worked that well with United.

As a right back, though, he has played brilliantly. Been had a couple of times, but so is usually Wes. Apart from that, flawless. If he can keep it up and improve on the tactical side, it could be worth £18 m.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 5th May 2008, 15:24

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Originally Posted by Van Piorsing

That's simply Owen Hargeraves.

German school of football produced a complete player who will always stay cool in important matches and turn his work into a good results for the team.

I reckon his 2nd season at Old Trafford will be even better.

Prescisely

Sam#1 · 5th May 2008, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

The only idiot around is you. & The others clinging to the false belief that Hargreaves is shit as a player and in midfield when he has already started to prove you wrong. A thing that wont end any time soon.

Well he hasn't actually.

He's proved he's a good right back, not a good centre mid.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 5th May 2008, 15:28

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Originally Posted by Tevez32

Totally agree with you. And he is equally effective as a CM. I don't know how some of the fans here think Carrick is head and shoulders above Hargreaves. Hargreaves is the best defensive midfielder England has got. THat's why he is picked in the England squad ahead of Carrick. Carrick is a fine player but he is a central midfielder not a defensive central midfielder. There are better CMs than Carrick within England ranks but none better in defensive midfield than Hargreaves.

So it is not pointless having Hargreaves. But because of his outstanding crossing ability he is equally effective in wingback. And his running is only matched by Evra.

Spot on

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 5th May 2008, 15:32

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Well he hasn't actually.

He's proved he's a good right back, not a good centre mid.

Well that was proved when you were still in dypers.

Wes · 5th May 2008, 15:32

That new Avatar is quite funny Rubberman. I enjoy your insults.

Sam#1 · 5th May 2008, 15:32

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Well that was proved when you were still in dypers.

Not at United.

Van Piorsing · 5th May 2008, 15:39

Hargreaves in FC Bayern Munich

* German Bundesliga: 2001, 2003, 2005, 2006
* UEFA Champions League: 2001
* Intercontinental Cup: 2001
* DFB Pokal: 2003, 2005, 2006
* Premiere Ligapokal 2004
* 2001 European U-21 Player of the Year

England

* England Player of the Year: 2006
* England Player of the World Cup: 2006

How could we have any doubts about him ?

Yes, he had some injury problems in the start of the season, but it's okay now and he's a vital member of the first team.

His freekicks against Fulham and Arsenal were awesome and it was Owen Hargreaves who buried Arsenal's chances to win the title... we should really feel lucky to have him in the team.

Wes · 5th May 2008, 15:40

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Originally Posted by Van Piorsing

Hargreaves in FC Bayern Munich

* German Bundesliga: 2001, 2003, 2005, 2006
* UEFA Champions League: 2001
* Intercontinental Cup: 2001
* DFB Pokal: 2003, 2005, 2006
* Premiere Ligapokal 2004
* 2001 European U-21 Player of the Year

England

* England Player of the Year: 2006
* England Player of the World Cup: 2006

How could we have any doubts about him ?

Yes, he had some injury problems in the start of the season, but it's okay now and he's a vital member of the first team.

His freekicks against Fulham and Arsenal were awesome and it was Owen Hargreaves who buried Arsenal's chances to win the title... we should really feel lucky to have him in the team.

Alan David Shearer May

Sam#1 · 5th May 2008, 15:42

If we go by that..

David May >>>> Rio

Ecroyd · 5th May 2008, 15:44

he scares the shit out of me when he does that dancing in his corner with the ball, JUST FUCKING CLEAR IT, that said i dont think he has lost the ball there yet so i cant really complain

Wes · 5th May 2008, 15:50

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 5th May 2008, 20:13

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

Not at United.

It's being done and you are not admitting it. So you keep clinging to your wrong beliefs. It's only you who will lose.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 5th May 2008, 20:14

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Originally Posted by Wes

Alan David Shearer May

typical

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 5th May 2008, 20:18

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

If we go by that..

David May >>>> Rio

last kicks of a dying horse

Wes · 5th May 2008, 20:25

e.cantona · 5th May 2008, 20:27

Hargreaves is not shit, and clearly a good player. United benefit from having him in the squad, and IMO that should be the end of whatever discussion about him. Didnt get a chance really to show much in the first half of the season due to constant injury problems etc. Has now had a decent run in the team, and people still discuss his price tag and wether or not he's good enough.. We have five excellent central midfielders, possibly six if you count O'Shea, there's no downside

Sam#1 · 5th May 2008, 20:40

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

It's being done and you are not admitting it. So you keep clinging to your wrong beliefs. It's only you who will lose.

He's been average in midfield. Something that has been acknowledged by Fergie.

His recent performances at right back, or right wing, NOT centre mid, do not change this.

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

last kicks of a dying horse

FlawlessThaw · 5th May 2008, 21:21

Fuck's sake not another Hargreaves dislikers v Hargreaves fans argument. Take a chill pill people.

Nucks · 6th May 2008, 05:45

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

He's been average in midfield. Something that has been acknowledged by Fergie.

His recent performances at right back, or right wing, NOT centre mid, do not change this.

You are aware he hasn't lined up as a winger this season correct? The performances you are referring to he was playing on the right side of a two man cm pairing sitting in front of a lone Carrick. Unless of course you are suggesting Scholes was playing as a left winger against Arse.

Not that it mattered because Scholes was absent on the day and Hargeaves spent long periods on the left side. Quite a performance from a right winger, someone should give him fifa player of the year award.

He plays on the right, he plays on the left, that boy Hargreaves makes sam look dumb as shit.

Lizard King · 6th May 2008, 08:13

Sitting infront of Carrick because Carrick is the better holding player?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 6th May 2008, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

He's been average in midfield. Something that has been acknowledged by Fergie.

His recent performances at right back, or right wing, NOT centre mid, do not change this.

As I said. Last kicks of a dying horse from you. Posting that GIF above wont detract from that fact you are already wrong about Hargreaves, are being proved wrong and will continue being wrong. All you do is make more of an ass of yourself by the day by failing to accept the inevitable.

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Eto'odinho Retard magnet Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chief Fiwagboola Posts: 8,651	Long may it continue

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Van Piorsing Lost his light sabre Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Polska Posts: 10,035	That's simply Owen Hargeraves. German school of football produced a complete player who will always stay cool in important matches and turn his work into a good results for the team. I reckon his 2nd season at Old Trafford will be even better.

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Wes Brown is no God Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dublin, in the Irish Republic Posts: 7,104	That new Avatar is quite funny Rubberman. I enjoy your insults.

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Van Piorsing Lost his light sabre Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Polska Posts: 10,035	Hargreaves in FC Bayern Munich * German Bundesliga: 2001, 2003, 2005, 2006 * UEFA Champions League: 2001 * Intercontinental Cup: 2001 * DFB Pokal: 2003, 2005, 2006 * Premiere Ligapokal 2004 * 2001 European U-21 Player of the Year England * England Player of the Year: 2006 * England Player of the World Cup: 2006 How could we have any doubts about him ? Yes, he had some injury problems in the start of the season, but it's okay now and he's a vital member of the first team. His freekicks against Fulham and Arsenal were awesome and it was Owen Hargreaves who buried Arsenal's chances to win the title... we should really feel lucky to have him in the team.

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Sam#1 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: I'm in love with a girl I can't have :-( (It's not JLS) Posts: 12,532	If we go by that.. David May >>>> Rio

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Ecroyd Strangely aroused by Lizard King Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: next door Posts: 2,052	he scares the shit out of me when he does that dancing in his corner with the ball, JUST FUCKING CLEAR IT, that said i dont think he has lost the ball there yet so i cant really complain

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e.cantona Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 949	Hargreaves is not shit, and clearly a good player. United benefit from having him in the squad, and IMO that should be the end of whatever discussion about him. Didnt get a chance really to show much in the first half of the season due to constant injury problems etc. Has now had a decent run in the team, and people still discuss his price tag and wether or not he's good enough.. We have five excellent central midfielders, possibly six if you count O'Shea, there's no downside

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FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 8,516	Fuck's sake not another Hargreaves dislikers v Hargreaves fans argument. Take a chill pill people.

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Lizard King Join Date: May 2007 Location: Anderson's hair Posts: 11,482	Sitting infront of Carrick because Carrick is the better holding player?