Hargreaves fitness

Sultan · 6th May 2008, 21:01

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Originally Posted by lao

Try watching players without the ball, and not only the ones scoring.

Will do

Cheers for the advice...

Sultan · 6th May 2008, 21:05

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Originally Posted by lao

Try watching players without the ball, and not only the ones scoring.

I just saw your location...

TV is the worst place to watch players without the ball, mostly showing ball carriers.

lao · 6th May 2008, 21:10

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Originally Posted by Sultan

I just saw your location...

TV is the worst place to watch players without the ball, mostly showing ball carriers.

Don't worry mate, we've got widescreen in Sweden.

Utd heap · 6th May 2008, 21:10

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Originally Posted by lao

Don't worry mate, we've got widescreen in Sweden.

Like it.

Sultan · 6th May 2008, 21:15

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Originally Posted by lao

Don't worry mate, we've got widescreen in Sweden.

Wide as the football pitch?

PS: Cameras generally follow the ball.

Sultan · 6th May 2008, 21:16

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Originally Posted by Utd heap

Like it.

Should've waited for my reply.

Utd heap · 6th May 2008, 21:21

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Originally Posted by Sultan

Should've waited for my reply.

That was class too

Pogue Mahone · 6th May 2008, 21:29

For someone who has a reputation for being a bit of a stubborn cnut you've got to give props to the Chief for softening his stance on Carrick.

As for Hargreaves, I have no doubt his performances in midfield would have improved at the same rate as his performances at full-back. It's all about getting a run of games under his belt, not about the position he's been asked to play. Has everybody already forgotten about his underwhelming debut as a full-back?

To sum up:

A new signing, in first season at a new club, in a new league, attracts initial critcism before improving as the season goes on, once he gets over a series of niggling injuries and has a decent run in the side.

Who'd have thunk it, eh?

Here's another blindingly obvious factoid. He's gonna be even better next season. Which pleases me.

lao · 6th May 2008, 21:34

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Originally Posted by Sultan

Wide as the football pitch?

PS: Cameras generally follow the ball.

That was kind of the joke, and now you ruined it.

Sultan · 6th May 2008, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

For someone who has a reputation for being a bit of a stubborn cnut you've got to give props to the Chief for softening his stance on Carrick.

As for Hargreaves, I have no doubt his performances in midfield would have improved at the same rate as his performances at full-back. It's all about getting a run of games under his belt, not about the position he's been asked to play. Has everybody already forgotten about his underwhelming debut as a full-back?

To sum up:

A new signing, in first season at a new club, in a new league, attracts initial critcism before improving as the season goes on, once he gets over a series of niggling injuries and has a decent run in the side.

Who'd have thunk it, eh?

Here's another blindingly obvious factoid. He's gonna be even better next season. Which pleases me.

That's a fair assesment. He has improved from his initial non-displays, but not to the extent some are trying to make out.

Here's to the next season.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 7th May 2008, 11:07

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Originally Posted by Wes

wierdly enough, I agree with you, you Bavarian spacker.

I will take it as a complement. Because this is like finding water in an oasis.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 7th May 2008, 11:09

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Originally Posted by Sultan

He's shown nothing in the positions he was actually purchased to perform.

So the Anfield game, the Emirates game, the Roma game at OT and the Blackburn game at OT never happened right?

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Originally Posted by Sultan

At Roma he played OK for 20 minutes stopping a tired winger. He was actually non existent in the first half against Arsenal. His only contribution was the goal. Anderson, and Tevez were actually the guys who changed the course of that game..

Don't mix issues Sultan. I was clearly talking about the Roma game at OT. The game in which he was man of the match and started in midfield.

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Originally Posted by Sultan

He's very average at full back, save his crossing ability - to be fair though, I will not judge him from his makeshift position.

Frankly your judging him is never ever objective. Because you have decided in your mind he is basically average at everything he does. No matter how well he plays

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Originally Posted by Sultan

As for next year, he seriously needs to step up.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 7th May 2008, 11:12

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

For someone who has a reputation for being a bit of a stubborn cnut you've got to give props to the Chief for softening his stance on Carrick..

Softening what stance on Carrick. My stance on Carrick has never changed. I've always rated him

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

As for Hargreaves, I have no doubt his performances in midfield would have improved at the same rate as his performances at full-back. It's all about getting a run of games under his belt, not about the position he's been asked to play. Has everybody already forgotten about his underwhelming debut as a full-back?

To sum up:

A new signing, in first season at a new club, in a new league, attracts initial critcism before improving as the season goes on, once he gets over a series of niggling injuries and has a decent run in the side.

Who'd have thunk it, eh?

Here's another blindingly obvious factoid. He's gonna be even better next season. Which pleases me.

Word

Nucks · 8th May 2008, 08:51

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Originally Posted by Lizard King

Sitting infront of Carrick because Carrick is the better holding player?

Or maybe the only place Carrick can play is deep.

Sort of changes the Football math going on here.

Maybe Carrick is playing deep not because he does it better than Hargreaves, but because he has shown that he is incapable of performing anywhere but deep.

This then becomes a question of not who is the absolute best player for the position, but what makes the team the strongest over all.

If Carrick is a B player as a holding midfielder and a C player in a more advanced role and Hargreaves is an A player as a holding midfielder and a B player in a more advanced role, what gives us more value?

The same rational is lost on many here when Hargreaves slots in at RB. Obviously because Hargreaves can play RB arguably better than our first choice right now it means that he is total shit in the role we got him for. Right? Or maybe it's because we have adequate depth at CM and nobody else on the team that can do a job at RB while Wes has to play CB?

Feedingseagulls · 8th May 2008, 10:28

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Originally Posted by Nucks

Or maybe the only place Carrick can play is deep.

Sort of changes the Football math going on here.

Maybe Carrick is playing deep not because he does it better than Hargreaves, but because he has shown that he is incapable of performing anywhere but deep.

This then becomes a question of not who is the absolute best player for the position, but what makes the team the strongest over all.

If Carrick is a B player as a holding midfielder and a C player in a more advanced role and Hargreaves is an A player as a holding midfielder and a B player in a more advanced role, what gives us more value?

The same rational is lost on many here when Hargreaves slots in at RB. Obviously because Hargreaves can play RB arguably better than our first choice right now it means that he is total shit in the role we got him for. Right? Or maybe it's because we have adequate depth at CM and nobody else on the team that can do a job at RB while Wes has to play CB?

'Word' - as many people seem prone to saying.

Wes · 8th May 2008, 10:29

Longsden_7 · 8th May 2008, 10:54

I fucking love Hargreaves, what a gent.

Wes · 8th May 2008, 11:16

did he pull out the chair for you at dinner or somat?

Van Piorsing · 8th May 2008, 11:48

OwenHargreavesIsAGod.

Wes · 8th May 2008, 12:21

OwenHargreavesIsADud

Feedingseagulls · 8th May 2008, 12:32

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Originally Posted by Wes

OwenHargreavesIsADud

... oh wait, you're serious aren't you!

Wes · 8th May 2008, 12:33

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Originally Posted by Feedingseagulls

... oh wait, you're serious aren't you!

nah not really, though I wish he'd go back to being terrible again so I'd have something to give out about.

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Pogue Mahone Dr Death wasting tax payers money on the Caf all day Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "As relaxed and natural on the park as a dog chasing a piece of silver paper in the wind" Posts: 10,027	For someone who has a reputation for being a bit of a stubborn cnut you've got to give props to the Chief for softening his stance on Carrick. As for Hargreaves, I have no doubt his performances in midfield would have improved at the same rate as his performances at full-back. It's all about getting a run of games under his belt, not about the position he's been asked to play. Has everybody already forgotten about his underwhelming debut as a full-back? To sum up: A new signing, in first season at a new club, in a new league, attracts initial critcism before improving as the season goes on, once he gets over a series of niggling injuries and has a decent run in the side. Who'd have thunk it, eh? Here's another blindingly obvious factoid. He's gonna be even better next season. Which pleases me.

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