Hargreaves - one signing too many?

MadDogg · 16th December 2007, 04:57

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Originally Posted by Instant Karma

SAF starts Hargreaves ahead of Carrick for a reason - he allows the likes of Ronaldo/Anderson/Giggs more attacking freedom.

They didn't exactly have to hold back a lot last season.

MadDogg · 16th December 2007, 05:00

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

The same can be said of Hargreaves - that he is a good tackler, rather than a shit one - though his positioning is not yet in Makelele's league.

His positioning is nowhere near Makelele's. In terms of pure positioning, Carrick is better than Hargreaves. It's just that when he is caught out of position Carrick struggles to recover, whereas Hargreaves has a better chance of harrying down the move.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 16th December 2007, 06:23

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Originally Posted by MadDogg

.........In terms of pure positioning, Carrick is better than Hargreaves. It's just that when he is caught out of position Carrick struggles to recover, whereas Hargreaves has a better chance of harrying down the move.

You really are under estimating Hargreaves' positional sense.

Eyepopper · 16th December 2007, 15:33

so... is he still surplus to requirements then? Did Gerrard or Mascherano get a sniff today?

DiaboliQue · 16th December 2007, 16:00

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Originally Posted by Eyepopper

so... is he still surplus to requirements then? Did Gerrard or Mascherano get a sniff today?

Really showed his qualities today, could be a massive player for us. Was against the signing but he has won me over, great player.

bbest · 16th December 2007, 16:01

He made a lot of good tackles. Good engine.

Ixion · 16th December 2007, 16:02

Hargreaves broke up so many attacks today, he doesn't do anything spectacular but what he does is vital.

[Hellboy]17 · 16th December 2007, 16:02

BRWNED

MelvinYeo · 16th December 2007, 16:04

I take back some of the things I have said about him, but this was the type of game that he was destined to shine in. It is the likes of Derby we don't need him and I would rather have Carrick in the side.

Still, well played to Hargreaves today

Desert Eagle · 16th December 2007, 16:12

He is quality. the price is a bit excessive but then if he helps us win trophies who gives a shit how much he cost.

Van Piorsing · 16th December 2007, 16:15

4 titles in Bundesliga and Champions League trophy...

How we could have any doubts ?

Sjarkus · 16th December 2007, 16:18

Brilliant today. As one of the commentators stated, he bossed the midfield today. Gerrard was reduced to sitting deep hitting hollywood balls, and Mascherano looked shite. Fantastic game today along with Anderson. Take that you doubters!

As I've said before, horses for courses. Carrick is the better choice against some teams, but today we probably would have been overpressured by Liverpool if he hadn't have a player like Hargreaves. I'm impressed.

bbest · 16th December 2007, 16:28

Hargreaves kept his cool, didn't he?

Freduardo · 16th December 2007, 16:32

I am one of his doubters but today I was very impressed. He was brilliant.

Mozza · 16th December 2007, 16:32

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Originally Posted by Eyepopper

so... is he still surplus to requirements then? Did Gerrard or Mascherano get a sniff today?

Did they get a sniff last season?

Julian Denny · 16th December 2007, 16:35

He was immense today but he'll be even better with Carrick starting as well in these games. We will control that midfield which for long periods we didn't today

redmanc · 16th December 2007, 16:38

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Originally Posted by redmanc

You will see what Hargreaves is all about on Sunday playing next to Anderson.

Desert Eagle · 16th December 2007, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Mozza

Did they get a sniff last season?

They dominated the game last season.

Mozza · 16th December 2007, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Desert Eagle

They dominated the game last season.

Like they did this, but they created feck all in both.

Desert Eagle · 16th December 2007, 16:46

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Originally Posted by Mozza

Like they did this, but they created feck all in both.

Actually last season they had two clear cut chances if i recall. One from Crouch and another one. We were overun in midifeld unlike today where it was a much more even game.

kklm05 · 16th December 2007, 16:52

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Originally Posted by John the Writer

I know that hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I really do get the feeling that Hargreaves has been a completely unnecessary signing. Obviously we all knew the need to sign an additional midfielder over the summer, and none of us could have expected Anderson to bed into the side in the manner he has. I get the feeling that ferguson persisted with this transfer due to the song and dance made about the lad the previous summer, but I also get the feeling he may well be re-evaluating Hargreaves' status in our squad. I think there might be something about the Veloso rumours, and if this move was to become a reality, I think Owen could well be the player to make way.

Now I realise that scholes won't play forever and Fletcher might not have Hargreaves' quality, but he's clearly injury prone, and he seems to be somewhat of a liability.

I didn't envisage Anderson being the player he is, and his ability to dominate a midfield and make crunching tackles renders what Hargreaves offers to the team almost redundant.

So what say you, was Hargreaves one signing too many?

So you just need 4 world class midfielders to play for the whole season. All additional signings are surplus to need?

Julian Denny · 16th December 2007, 16:55

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Originally Posted by Desert Eagle

Actually last season they had two clear cut chances if i recall. One from Crouch and another one. We were overun in midifeld unlike today where it was a much more even game.

I thought they overran our midfield in the second half particularly today. Their final ball was rather pitiful though - thank goodness. Our defense was immense throughout - although Brown was dodgy at times - also VDS gave a few heart stopping moments when he was unable to punch clear effectively.

Despite OH's efforts I was not really impressed by our ability to hold the ball in midfield for any length of time and thus really control the game. With only OH and Anderson in central midfield we were never going to be really on top of things. Tevez played too deep at times to try and help out leaving Rooney isolated up front. Giggs was peripheral and Ronaldo marked heavily on the touch line. We won't always get away with this against quality opposition.

Ekeke · 16th December 2007, 16:56

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Originally Posted by MadDogg

His positioning is nowhere near Makelele's. In terms of pure positioning, Carrick is better than Hargreaves. It's just that when he is caught out of position Carrick struggles to recover, whereas Hargreaves has a better chance of harrying down the move.

That's true, but once again you have to take into account that Carrick is a better attacking player and better at finding team mates in threatening areas. Hargreaves is also more likely to lose the ball with bad touches and bad passes.

Mozza · 16th December 2007, 16:58

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Originally Posted by Desert Eagle

Actually last season they had two clear cut chances if i recall. One from Crouch and another one. We were overun in midifeld unlike today where it was a much more even game.

We were never over run even with us down to 10 men least season.

notiboiboi · 16th December 2007, 17:04

It would have been better with a 3 man midfield today, especially in the second half...
Carrick, anderson and hargreaves together would dominate the liverpool midfield, and still keep possesion, which was what we really needed in the second half, not hasty clearances...

crappycraperson · 16th December 2007, 17:35

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Originally Posted by Mozza

Did they get a sniff last season?

Yes, they were much more penetrating last season. VDS had too pull off a great save while Bellamy messed up a couple of chances.

Alex · 16th December 2007, 17:55

This thread looks really stupid now doesnt it, John the Wanker

klebersomeone · 16th December 2007, 17:56

Anyone that thinks Mascherano is a better player needs their head examined.

Ekeke · 16th December 2007, 18:20

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Originally Posted by klebersomeone

Anyone that thinks Mascherano is a better player needs their head examined.

Not really. Liverpool had more posession and it was largely down to him. Anderson just played through him though - like he would have done Hargreaves or any other defensive midfielder around today. He passes the ball as soon as he gets it, leaving the opposition with little chance to take it from him.

He was also there from the 1st minute, unlike Hargreaves who took 20 before showing up - aside from one good tackle just outside the box.

Neither player did anything on the ball today though.

Instant Karma · 16th December 2007, 18:24

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Neither player did anything on the ball today though.

Hargreaves run forward actually won the corner from which we scored. Carrick would have stayed deep and hoofed the ball up for Carragher/Hyphia to clear.

Continue with your senseless bollocks though.

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Eyepopper First Team Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lowering the Tone since 2006 Posts: 13,701	so... is he still surplus to requirements then? Did Gerrard or Mascherano get a sniff today?

16th December 2007, 16:01	#406 (permalink)
bbest The Caf's worst songwriter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: .................... Posts: 8,001	He made a lot of good tackles. Good engine.

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Ixion Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greater Manchester Posts: 3,316	Hargreaves broke up so many attacks today, he doesn't do anything spectacular but what he does is vital.

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MelvinYeo I'm only here for the post count Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 14,046	I take back some of the things I have said about him, but this was the type of game that he was destined to shine in. It is the likes of Derby we don't need him and I would rather have Carrick in the side. Still, well played to Hargreaves today

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Desert Eagle Punjabi Dude Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,127	He is quality. the price is a bit excessive but then if he helps us win trophies who gives a shit how much he cost.

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Van Piorsing Lost his light sabre Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Polska Posts: 10,031	4 titles in Bundesliga and Champions League trophy... How we could have any doubts ?

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Sjarkus Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Administrating Spoony's PM inbox. Posts: 2,164	Brilliant today. As one of the commentators stated, he bossed the midfield today. Gerrard was reduced to sitting deep hitting hollywood balls, and Mascherano looked shite. Fantastic game today along with Anderson. Take that you doubters! As I've said before, horses for courses. Carrick is the better choice against some teams, but today we probably would have been overpressured by Liverpool if he hadn't have a player like Hargreaves. I'm impressed.

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bbest The Caf's worst songwriter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: .................... Posts: 8,001	Hargreaves kept his cool, didn't he?

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Freduardo Reserve Team Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 642	I am one of his doubters but today I was very impressed. He was brilliant.

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Julian Denny Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South Africa Posts: 3,430	He was immense today but he'll be even better with Carrick starting as well in these games. We will control that midfield which for long periods we didn't today

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notiboiboi Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,112	It would have been better with a 3 man midfield today, especially in the second half... Carrick, anderson and hargreaves together would dominate the liverpool midfield, and still keep possesion, which was what we really needed in the second half, not hasty clearances...

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Alex Spam Alert! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: British Columbia Posts: 18,908	This thread looks really stupid now doesnt it, John the Wanker

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klebersomeone Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Whiteside, Farside, Onside... Posts: 1,880	Anyone that thinks Mascherano is a better player needs their head examined.

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