Hargreaves - one signing too many?

Ekeke · 16th December 2007, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Instant Karma

Hargreaves run forward actually won the corner from which we scored. Carrick would have stayed deep and hoofed the ball up for Carragher/Hyphia to clear.

Continue with your senseless bollocks though.

He made a run, was found, and failed to get his cross in. We got a corner though. Not as if Carrick can't win us a corner at least or Mascherano couldn't do the same.

He also had his game by game attempted screamer from 30 yards which missed by a mile as per normal.

John the Writer · 16th December 2007, 20:15

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Originally Posted by Alex

This thread looks really stupid now doesnt it, John the Wanker

Bite my balls.

lem8sh · 16th December 2007, 21:08

I'm far from his biggest fan but he was immense today

RedCanadian · 16th December 2007, 21:10

Where are all the Hargo haters now???

Just wondering...

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 16th December 2007, 21:14

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Originally Posted by Instant Karma

Hargreaves run forward actually won the corner from which we scored. Carrick would have stayed deep and hoofed the ball up for Carragher/Hyphia to clear.

Continue with your senseless bollocks though.

Agreed. That one doesn't know when to stop making a right fool of himself

RedCanadian · 16th December 2007, 21:17

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Originally Posted by Ekeke

Not really. Liverpool had more posession and it was largely down to him. Anderson just played through him though - like he would have done Hargreaves or any other defensive midfielder around today. He passes the ball as soon as he gets it, leaving the opposition with little chance to take it from him.

He was also there from the 1st minute, unlike Hargreaves who took 20 before showing up - aside from one good tackle just outside the box.

Neither player did anything on the ball today though.

Living up to the tagline I see....

VidaRed · 16th December 2007, 21:18

@ this fecking thread

Sultan · 16th December 2007, 21:22

United winning today was not exclusively because of Hargreaves, although he did have a very decent game. We've had good results at Anfield over the last few years, regardless of who has played in the middle.

We got a result with Fletcher and Giggs in the middle.

Reflectorboy · 16th December 2007, 21:22

Hargreaves was good today. Positioning was good. Pressuring opponents was good. He was good in defending the back four. Fair play to him.

FlawlessThaw · 16th December 2007, 21:25

The boy done good today.

Ferguson · 16th December 2007, 21:28

Capello take note.

Hargreaves was Sven's choice and he'll be Capello's as well.

Ekeke · 16th December 2007, 21:53

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Originally Posted by Sultan

United winning today was not exclusively because of Hargreaves, although he did have a very decent game. We've had good results at Anfield over the last few years, regardless of who has played in the middle.

We got a result with Fletcher and Giggs in the middle.

Fletcher was in fact man of the match.

MadDogg · 17th December 2007, 04:58

This was the kind of game which Hargreaves was made for. He should be playing against the rest of the big four, plus the big european teams.

But I'd prefer to generally see Carrick against most of the others.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 17th December 2007, 05:49

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Originally Posted by Sultan

United winning today was not exclusively because of Hargreaves, although he did have a very decent game. We've had good results at Anfield over the last few years, regardless of who has played in the middle.

We got a result with Fletcher and Giggs in the middle.

That is correct. We do have the 'Indian sign" over Liverpool'.. But some like Ekeke will make it seem like it's a damining statement to Hargreaves. when it ain't...

mehro · 17th December 2007, 06:00

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Originally Posted by MadDogg

This was the kind of game which Hargreaves was made for. He should be playing against the rest of the big four, plus the big european teams.

But I'd prefer to generally see Carrick against most of the others.

Corrrrecct

quiet_united · 17th December 2007, 06:47

He's fecking brilliant. The way he tackle players so smoothly and rarely foul them, you just can't believe it.

2cantona · 17th December 2007, 07:38

I don't understand the Hargreave wankfests here. He's far from MoM last night. Tevez/Fernidand or Evra/Anderson or Giggs and then Hargreave in that order for me.

ehsanul · 17th December 2007, 08:27

Anderson rightfully got all the plaudits but hargreaves was excellent,was just behind rio for MOTM....

Man-United · 17th December 2007, 08:28

He did a great job for us and he will get better. Good signing for United if he can stay fit.

REd FUn DevIl · 17th December 2007, 08:32

Another Hargreaves thread, FUCKING GREAT

Apart from that, yes he is class

Sultan · 17th December 2007, 08:37

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Originally Posted by REd FUn DevIl

Another Hargreaves thread, FUCKING GREAT

Apart from that, yes he is class

Merged

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 17th December 2007, 14:41

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Originally Posted by MadDogg

This was the kind of game which Hargreaves was made for. He should be playing against the rest of the big four, plus the big european teams.

But I'd prefer to generally see Carrick against most of the others.

Fair enough. But I wouldn't. For I know who gives better protection to our defence. Plus more freedom to our forwards to be gungho and it ain't Carrick.

nemanja nemagic · 17th December 2007, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Fair enough. But I wouldn't. For I know who gives better protection to our defence. Plus more freedom to our forwards to be gungho and it ain't Carrick.

Gibson?

redmanc · 17th December 2007, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Fair enough. But I wouldn't. For I know who gives better protection to our defence. Plus more freedom to our forwards to be gungho and it ain't Carrick.

We dont need better protection of our defense against most teams though, they are fully capable themselves. Against top 4 teams and big european games Hargreaves is essential, for everyone else he isnt.

Instant Karma · 17th December 2007, 15:22

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Originally Posted by redmanc

We dont need better protection of our defense against most teams though, they are full capable themselves. Against top 4 teams and big european games Hargreaves is essential, for everyone else he isnt.

Carrick was invisible even against midtable sides away from OT. We got ran over by the likes of Bodmer and Makoun.

1-1 draw at Reading (Ronnie)
1-2 win at Watford (Silvestre, Giggs)
0-1 win at Blackburn (Saha)
1-2 win at Sheffield (Rooney*2)
1-2 win at Boro (Saha, Fletch)
1-0 loss at Westham
2-2 draw at Newcastle (Scholes*2)
2-1 win at Fulham (Giggs, Ronnie)
2-1 loss at Pompey (OShea)
0-1 win at City (Ronnie)

1-0 loss at Celtic
1-0 loss at Copenhagen
0-1 win at Lille with a contentious Giggs goal in the last few mins ?

13 games, 14 goals scored, 13 conceded - all against mediocre sides that Carrick rips apart with his precision passing and allows for good defensive cover

In each of those games, Giggs/Ronnie/Scholes had to step up in the last few minutes to get us the points.

SAF starts Hargreaves ahead of Carrick whenever he is fit. So did Sven, Capello will do the same and so will anyone who knows about football.
Comparing Carrick and Hargreaves is like comparing Jenas and Gerrard - a premiership class player vs a world class professional.

redmanc · 17th December 2007, 15:24

Riiiiiight.

So copying and pasting stats in a few games we didn't do so well in means its Carricks fault or hes invisible?

Eyepopper · 17th December 2007, 15:28

Between Carrick and Hargreaves its a tough call.... For me I think Hargreaves is a more effective player given our style of play. I dont necessarily think he's a better player, as I personally think they are totally different and for what its worth I think given the right roles and a bit of time could play well together...

I think Carrick is a really good player, subtle would be how I'd describe him... his positioning and distribution are excellent... one thing that I'd love to see is him get forward more and be a bit more adventerous but I dont think he ever will... He was a major factor in us winning the league last year...

But for me Hargreaves is simply more effective, especially against better sides.... Moving forward if they dont play together I think Carrick is a great player to have to bring on later in tough matches...

redmanc · 17th December 2007, 15:31

In my own opinion, something you aren't able to have without being slated for it on here, Carrick and Hargreaves pick themselves depending on who we are playing.

Hargreaves as we saw yesterday comes in when we need that little bit extra defensive cover, Carrick comes in when we dont. His distribution is fantastic, whereas Hargreaves asset is his energy and defensive abilities.

Hargreaves is suited to them top games, as stated 900 times per day on here, he isnt always essential, far from it.

Both players are fantastic in there own right and both have a future at the club.

Eyepopper · 17th December 2007, 15:33

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Originally Posted by redmanc

In my own opinion, something you aren't able to have without being slated for it on here, Carrick and Hargreaves pick themselves depending on who we are playing.

Hargreaves as we saw yesterday comes in when we need that little bit extra defensive cover, Carrick comes in when we dont. His distribution is fantastic, whereas Hargreaves asset is his energy and defensive abilities.

Hargreaves is suited to them top games, as stated 900 times per day on here, he isnt always essential, far from it.

Both players are fantastic in there own right and both have a future at the club.

Agreed...... having one doesnt mean the other is surplus which brings us back to the main point of this thread.

redmanc · 17th December 2007, 15:35

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Originally Posted by Eyepopper

Agreed...... having one doesnt mean the other is surplus which brings us back to the main point of this thread.

17th December 2007, 08:27	#458 (permalink)
ehsanul Bestower of favours Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Man utd till i die Posts: 4,354	Hargreaves Anderson rightfully got all the plaudits but hargreaves was excellent,was just behind rio for MOTM....

16th December 2007, 21:08	#443 (permalink)
lem8sh Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: The Kingdom Posts: 1,224	I'm far from his biggest fan but he was immense today

16th December 2007, 21:10	#444 (permalink)
RedCanadian RatCat freak Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: "In the offseason, my mustache drives the Firebird, I ride shotgun" - RATCAT Posts: 11,042	Where are all the Hargo haters now??? Just wondering...

16th December 2007, 21:18	#447 (permalink)
VidaRed First Team Sub Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 7,237	@ this fecking thread

16th December 2007, 21:22	#448 (permalink)
Sultan Bearded and Wise Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Privilege creates responsibilty Posts: 15,880	United winning today was not exclusively because of Hargreaves, although he did have a very decent game. We've had good results at Anfield over the last few years, regardless of who has played in the middle. We got a result with Fletcher and Giggs in the middle.

16th December 2007, 21:22	#449 (permalink)
Reflectorboy Future friend of the first team Join Date: May 2004 Location: Land of the unknown Posts: 6,949	Hargreaves was good today. Positioning was good. Pressuring opponents was good. He was good in defending the back four. Fair play to him.

16th December 2007, 21:25	#450 (permalink)
FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London Posts: 9,266	The boy done good today.

16th December 2007, 21:28	#451 (permalink)
Ferguson Reserve Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 1,742	Capello take note. Hargreaves was Sven's choice and he'll be Capello's as well.

17th December 2007, 04:58	#453 (permalink)
MadDogg Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: “Manchester United never lose, they just run out of time” Posts: 2,925	This was the kind of game which Hargreaves was made for. He should be playing against the rest of the big four, plus the big european teams. But I'd prefer to generally see Carrick against most of the others.

17th December 2007, 06:47	#456 (permalink)
quiet_united Vietnamese Red Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mars Posts: 2,435	He's fecking brilliant. The way he tackle players so smoothly and rarely foul them, you just can't believe it.

17th December 2007, 07:38	#457 (permalink)
2cantona Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 583	I don't understand the Hargreave wankfests here. He's far from MoM last night. Tevez/Fernidand or Evra/Anderson or Giggs and then Hargreave in that order for me.

17th December 2007, 08:28	#459 (permalink)
Man-United Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,181	He did a great job for us and he will get better. Good signing for United if he can stay fit.

17th December 2007, 08:32	#460 (permalink)
REd FUn DevIl First Team Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: I Love Sugarcult Posts: 12,029	Another Hargreaves thread, FUCKING GREAT Apart from that, yes he is class

17th December 2007, 15:24	#466 (permalink)
redmanc First Team Sub Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: There is no spoon. Posts: 6,368	Riiiiiight. So copying and pasting stats in a few games we didn't do so well in means its Carricks fault or hes invisible?

17th December 2007, 15:28	#467 (permalink)
Eyepopper First Team Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lowering the Tone since 2006 Posts: 11,865	Between Carrick and Hargreaves its a tough call.... For me I think Hargreaves is a more effective player given our style of play. I dont necessarily think he's a better player, as I personally think they are totally different and for what its worth I think given the right roles and a bit of time could play well together... I think Carrick is a really good player, subtle would be how I'd describe him... his positioning and distribution are excellent... one thing that I'd love to see is him get forward more and be a bit more adventerous but I dont think he ever will... He was a major factor in us winning the league last year... But for me Hargreaves is simply more effective, especially against better sides.... Moving forward if they dont play together I think Carrick is a great player to have to bring on later in tough matches...

17th December 2007, 15:31	#468 (permalink)
redmanc First Team Sub Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: There is no spoon. Posts: 6,368	In my own opinion, something you aren't able to have without being slated for it on here, Carrick and Hargreaves pick themselves depending on who we are playing. Hargreaves as we saw yesterday comes in when we need that little bit extra defensive cover, Carrick comes in when we dont. His distribution is fantastic, whereas Hargreaves asset is his energy and defensive abilities. Hargreaves is suited to them top games, as stated 900 times per day on here, he isnt always essential, far from it. Both players are fantastic in there own right and both have a future at the club.