Hargreaves - one signing too many?

Johnno

Sorry boss, neither one of the three, Hargreaves is all those that I state, can you please show me video evidence of him giving the ball away or making a bad pass to a team-mate? Because all I ever see from him is sheer solidness in the middle of the park, he never puts a foot wrong.

Johnno

Seems to me that Hargreaves has become this season’s whipping boy like Carrick was last season, although whereas Carrick went missing in certain games, Hargreaves has been nothing but solid, consistent and busy, but as we all know, certain factions of the United support are never happy so feel the need to slag off our players even when we’re top of the league and mathematically on course for a treble shot once again.
What’s the matter lads, can’t justify slagging off Fletcher because he isn’t playing enough, so turn your attention to OH?

Sam#1

Please stop. It's embarrassing.

choiboyx012

i can count the number of times he's lost possession or passed it to an opposing player on 1 hand. not a great passer, but he's been solid especially the 1st half of the season, rarely makes mistakes.

Johnno

Nah mate, just like up until his goal at Chelsea, Tevez was being vilified by cunts like you as he hadn’t scored, we have yet to see the best of Hargreaves despite liking what I’ve already seen so far, you will see he has been that missing link in Europe against certain teams and tactics and when he does, don’t start fucking being a little knob with your “I always knew he was quality” spiel, alright mate?

Johnno

Thank you; it seems a strange coincidence that upon his return to the Bayern side who had a shite season last year for their standards, they managed to put together a run from January onwards, domestically and in the Champions League where they went well against Milan away only to lose at home, but it coincided with the return from injury of Hargreaves who never allowed Seedof, Pirlo and Kaka to shine in that match at the San Siro.

Sam#1

His passing is poor at best. And you'd need about 100 hands to count the amount of times he gets the ball, and just runs, and then runs a bit more, then runs a little more, before getting tackled or running out of pitch. To say he is comfortable on the ball or passes beautifully is either biasness of the highest order, or blatant lying.

I hope he proves us all wrong and turns out to be a great signing, but so far he has proved he is certainly not world class, and most definatly not worth £18 million. Only time will tell...

Sam#1

If you knew anything about me, you'd realise what a stupid comment that was. Just go and have a look at some past Tevez threads to see how much I have defended him in the past. But that is a different matter altogether.

As I've said many time, I hope he proves to be a great signing and is very successful at the club, but I find it laughable to think he will be able to stop players like Kaka, when, so far this season, he's been unable to control average Premiership players...

RedDevilCanuck

Sorry but he is English, an English International, has played for a big club for many years, won a CL, won many German titles and Cups, THATS HOW MUCH THOSE PLAYERS COST,WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT. THe Evra and Vidic signings for low amounts are rare. And Im also pretty sure its 18 million if he earns a certain amount of caps which is basically why Fergie has not rushed to start him every game he is fit.

Sam#1

I expect an £18 million player to be a lot better. I also don't expect him to play 3 matches, miss 3 matches, play 3 matches, miss 3 matches and so on.

Johnno

That is utter shite mate, sorry, but the guy is highly efficient in that area and covers a lot of ground and breaks down the opposing attacks better than Ince used to do for us (plus he also doesn’t have expectations to take on six men like Ince used to do and knows his capabilities and what his specific role is). He passes simply like a covering midfielder should, I’m not saying he sprays the ball like Veron or Beckham, I have not said he has made any seventy yard balls or anything, when I say he passes beautifully, he does it so simply, to the best-placed available man, something Eric installed in the team during his time with us.
I’m not having a crack at you individually here cocker, because you’re well supported by your mates but it seems to me like you’re consciously wanting him to be a bad player because you don’t agree with the fee we paid for him.
He was England’s best player at the last World Cup, he was part of the side that won the CL with Bayern in 2001 and several league titles for them during his time, and at 20 was keeping out German internationals like Jens Jeremies who was once known as one of the best tackling midfielders in Europe. I don’t know how you can say he isn’t class because he quite obviously is when a few months ago he was the first English midfielder on the team-sheet ahead of Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Carrick etc.

RedDevilCanuck

You have to remember that he is playing in a new country, new league and new team. He was hurt at the beginning of the year. Any player needs time to adapt to a new team. And being unable to control average PL players is total bullshit, do you call Gerrard, and Torres and Macherano average players. Do yourself a favour and watch the game at Anfield over again.

RedDevilCanuck

He wasnt brought here to start every game. He was bought for games in which we play three midfielders in the middle. Everybody knew that Fergie bought him for CL and the knockouts start Feb 20. Lets see how everyone's opinions change when he puts Benzema in his back pocket.

Wes

Hargreaves defenders are just pure liars.

Sam#1

Yep, that exactly what I want him to be...


I don't have to, I was at the Reading game, Harper, Hunt and Convey pissed all over him.

Anyway, I've said what I feel. And, as I've said about 100 times. I hope hope he goes on to be very successful and proves that I was wrong about him, but so far, he's done nothing to show me he will, but, as I've previously said, only time will tell...

Mozza

Your hand must have a lot more then 4 fingers and a thumb or you can't count above 5 cause his passings been poor.

Johnno

Where have I lied, you English-loving anti-Michael Collins?
I have given you stats on what he has won with Bayern, the names of players he has controlled during games and the names of English midfielders he has been in front of in the team-sheet.

Johnno

I suppose we best get rid of Vidic and Ferdinand as well then because their attackers were able to get off a few shots in the match, and whilst not being as knowledgeable about things like you because I wasn’t at the game and could only watch it live on television, I thought it was more a spirited performance from Reading rather than them pissing on any of our players.

RedDevilCanuck

Reading's only good chances came when after Hargreaves was substituted. It was Fletcher who had a bad giveaway and lost his man a couple times. First half Reading hardly threatened

Wes

I've not read this thread, John. I'm just going on shite like this:

I count 21 times he lost the ball against Liverpool, that said he played very well that day, but thats fingers, thumbs and toes out of the equation in general.

I'm no Hargreaves-basher, except when he plays terrible (which he has various times this season, he's inconsistent as fuck).

As ever, SAF knows best, and give him time etc.

RedDevilCanuck

In order for players to "piss" on a holding midfielder I think they have to score, set up a goal, or make great through balls and intelligent runs. THEY DIDNT DO ANY OF THAT. It was a tight game and Reading defended well and their midfield stopped our creative flow in the middle. Yea they "pissed" on us all right.

peterstorey

There was a cracker at Arsenal where he passed a 10-yarder about 3 yards behind Evra and then tried to give him stick for not getting the ball.

Johnno

No worries Frankie, I’ll let you off with a warning but next time I may be forced to thrash you.

Sam#1

The amount of times one of their players just ran past Hargreaves (this happened A LOT), or passed through him with relative ease was quite worrying. Harper was a free transfer, Convey £2.5 million, Hunt was also free, yet between the 3 of them them, they made an £18 million player look very average at best, that in my book, constitutes as being 'pissed upon'.

Johnno

I can honestly say I didn’t notice that much during the match mate, but let’s be honest, even if I did I wouldn’t agree with you considering we’re now at the point of our argument/debate where I wish to offer you a wrestling match in our underpants.
A football pitch is what, fifty yards across? That means there’s plenty of space for a player with a lot of grass about him to move forward, but I never saw Hargreaves get merked by anyone with a bit of skill, so was it really Hargreaves fault, or could Carrick also be blamed, or Park or Giggs, for they are in the midfield as well. But Reading never ventured forward with vigour all that often, I maintain that. And let me state, we have conceded fuck all goals this season, whilst that can be directly attributed to our goalkeeper and defenders, let it be said our midfield has played it’s part in that statistic admirably as well, Hargreaves included.

Ekeke

Christ. I didn't know Pinnochio was a Hargreaves fan.

Sam#1