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Old 28th January 2008, 11:49   #921 (permalink)
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Impressive figure, but where is the context? Provide context.

Context would look something like this, how many of those games were our first choice attacking players out? What is the strength of opposition over those games.

Essentially, there are WAY too many variables for this "math" to be taken seriously at all. Using these stats is actually kind of laughable. Check that, it is extremely laughable and one could consider it dishonest to try to pass this off as something meaningful.

I have an idea, I will conduct an experiment. I will compare the taste of coke to the taste of pepsi. Then I will change the variables completely every single time so that there is absolutely no integrity to the experiment.

Then I will go to a Pepsi forum and inform everyone that Coke tastes better than Pepsi.

Then when people tell me I am off the farm I will accuse them of arguing against math.
You've spelt out the matter better than anyone else could.
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Old 28th January 2008, 11:52   #922 (permalink)
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This thread is pathetic, just in case anyone doesnt realise it yet...
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Old 28th January 2008, 11:58   #923 (permalink)
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You are truly pathetic and a useless individual, Ekeke. I have maintained for ages that Gattuso destroyed us. Plus people like Kaka only had a field day because of that. To lie openly that I said "Kaka run riot" strictly, is the worst form of lying anyone can stoop to. All you are doing is quoting me out of context to suit your own ends like the very devil himself
Speak to the devil often?

I'm just pointing out your quest to defend a player at all costs, whether you have to lie to do it or not.
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Old 28th January 2008, 12:04   #924 (permalink)
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Speak to the devil often?
What? You've forgotten you own name?
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I'm just pointing out your quest to defend a player at all costs, whether you have to lie to do it or not.
No. Seriously, You are just deliberately misquoting me. Just to get at a player you clearly hate for no logical reason. Other than the fact he is likely to keep your beloved Carrick out SAF's starting line up. Once all our midfieilders are fully fit and on form.
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Old 28th January 2008, 12:15   #925 (permalink)
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you're expecting to see something different.

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Old 28th January 2008, 12:28   #926 (permalink)
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Old 28th January 2008, 13:03   #927 (permalink)
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Hargreaves was very good yesterday, he's never going to be my favourite type of player, but I lost count of the number of tackles he won. Blaming him alone for Jenas' breaks doesn't really make sense, the whole defence got split apart, and Rio had his first so-so game in living memory.

Playing him and Carrick together never looks that great, so far, because there's a great big gap between midfield and attack, with only Giggs showing the movement to link play. If we're going to do that, Carrick has to get up the park - even though he also played well yesterday, we looked more fluid when Anderson and Scholes came on.
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Old 28th January 2008, 13:10   #928 (permalink)
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Hargreaves and Carrick is boring and lacks dynamism. It's a chicken soup midfield.
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Old 28th January 2008, 13:11   #929 (permalink)
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What the fuck's wrong with chicken soup???
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Old 28th January 2008, 13:12   #930 (permalink)
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Not a lot - it's just a bit dull.
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Old 28th January 2008, 13:14   #931 (permalink)
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Hargreaves and Carrick is boring and lacks dynamism. It's a chicken soup midfield.
It's a bit like a Keano - Butt midfield

With Keano obviously being much better than any of the other three mind.
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Old 28th January 2008, 13:17   #932 (permalink)
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It's a bit like a Keano - Butt midfield

With Keano obviously being much better than any of the other three mind.
Not really. Keano - Butt had a bit of fire about it. I'd say that's more like a Spicy Vegetable soup.
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Old 28th January 2008, 13:19   #933 (permalink)
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Not a lot - it's just a bit dull.
Oh it has it's exciting side too, apparently featuring frequently in porn movies.
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Old 28th January 2008, 13:22   #934 (permalink)
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What - chicken soup?

What kind of porn are you watching?
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Old 28th January 2008, 13:27   #935 (permalink)
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Plech is probably all right since his mum can knock up a nice drop of home-made with barley. But Campbell's condensed has lost its appeal for me.
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Old 28th January 2008, 13:27   #936 (permalink)
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If Carrick-Hargreaves is chicken soup, what does that make Scholes-Anderson? A doner kebab?
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Old 28th January 2008, 13:30   #937 (permalink)
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Scholes and Anderson are Gazpacho. Smooth and interesting, but a little too adventurous for some.
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Old 28th January 2008, 13:40   #938 (permalink)
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Scholes and Anderson are Gazpacho. Smooth and interesting, but a little too adventurous for some.


Bizarrely, that was the first thing that I thought of too. Only mentalists like cold soup, though, so I rejected it.

I'm now thinking about some sort of butternut squash (Scholes ginger hair, see?) and chilli (Anderson, he's spicy) broth. Comfort food that you can always rely on to warm you up on a winter day but has that little touch of spice, just to keep things interesting.
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Old 28th January 2008, 13:42   #939 (permalink)
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I like cold soup.
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Old 28th January 2008, 13:53   #941 (permalink)
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Just don't call us soup chuckers ever again.
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Old 28th January 2008, 18:46   #943 (permalink)
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doesn't matter what you think. SAF seems to rate him, and depending on the opposition, he'll play him without hesitation
Kind of makes this whole thread a bit pointless then? And as I've said before, I think Hargreaves will improve over time. And the only way he'll improve is by playing games. But I don't see him as first choice yet. Might be that SAF agrees with me (to my recollection he's praised both Anderson and Tevez for their contribution so far, but has yet to praise Owen)?
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Old 28th January 2008, 18:53   #944 (permalink)
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How often has he praised Rooney this season? Or Carrick for that matter? If his praise is a sign of "being happy with their contribution this season" as players? Um?
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Just like djemba's arse, Mozza, peterstorey and the biggest moron of them all, lem8sh
Fucking hell, mate. I'm not the one accusing everyone who disagrees with me for being a 'moron' or telling them to 'go grow a brain'.

Some points:
a) Stats show that there is no great defensive bonus in playing Hargreaves (so far). I would say that empiric evidence suggests the same also, but this would be based on my personal point of view from the games I've seen.
b) Stats also show that there is an offensive penalty in playing Hargreaves. Again, my personal views support this
c) We've let in 3 goals in 12 games at home in the premier league this season, with Hargreaves only playing in a few of these games. Against Tottenham - with Hargreaves on the pitch - we could easily have conceded four.

The crux of the matter is this: Hargreaves does not seem to improve us when he's on the field. Now I think he will given time, but so far I can't see how it can be argued that he has.
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How often has he praised Rooney this season? Or Carrick for that matter? If his praise is a sign of "being happy with their contribution this season" as players? Um?
True, but Anderson, Tevez and Hargreaves are all new signings - unlike Rooney and Carrick. Still, it's not the most telling of evidence I agree
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Old 28th January 2008, 19:52   #947 (permalink)
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Fucking hell, mate. I'm not the one accusing everyone who disagrees with me for being a 'moron' or telling them to 'go grow a brain'.
You do worse. You act like a moron half the time then complain when someone has the guts to call you out on it. This being a prime example. So why not quit acting like one?

I frankly don't a go around calling people morons for the sake just because we don't share the same opinion. I will however call you a moron if you are acting like one

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Some points:
a) Stats show that there is no great defensive bonus in playing Hargreaves (so far). I would say that empiric evidence suggests the same also, but this would be based on my personal point of view from the games I've seen.
Those stats presented have no context. Thus are meaningless. Which is fact.

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b) Stats also show that there is an offensive penalty in playing Hargreaves. Again, my personal views support this
AS a result of those stats having no context. Anyone can suit them to fit their opinions. What you've posted above is a clear example.

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c) We've let in 3 goals in 12 games at home in the premier league this season, with Hargreaves only playing in a few of these games. Against Tottenham - with Hargreaves on the pitch - we could easily have conceded four.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda's and context less stats are all you have to go on. Yet you want to be taken seriously

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The crux of the matter is this: Hargreaves does not seem to improve us when he's on the field.
In your erstwhile opinion. Based strictly on personal hatred, in accurate data and context less statistics. It must certainly be taken seriously.

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Now I think he will given time, but so far I can't see how it can be argued that he has.
Because there are many things you cant see. Go figure...
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Old 28th January 2008, 19:54   #948 (permalink)
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.......... Still, it's not the most telling of evidence I agree
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