Hargreaves - one signing too many?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 4th February 2008, 12:28

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Originally Posted by ih8cheatskiscum

Hargreaves-Anderson works

Carrick-Scholes works

Not sure about any other combinations

Fletcher-Carrick is ace. They destroyed Roma and Milan at OT.

So is Scholes-Anderson-Giggs judging from that Villa match away and the Wigan home game.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 4th February 2008, 12:33

Even though people have failed to notice..Scholes had a terrible day vs Spurs. A hard game to early after an injury lay off. That is what was killing our midfield. Nothing else. Because placing Carrick alongside him didn't improve a thing. Which says it all. Since they normally gel superbly

ih8cheatskiscum · 4th February 2008, 12:46

Now we have them all fit SAF needs to choose his best two and stick with them bringing a third in when needed (this will be rarely imo). The others come in to cover for injuries / introduced as subs to affect the game in some way. As Rafa proves all too well, rotation does not work.

SAF needs to do this quickly before we drop any more points and fuck the title up.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 4th February 2008, 12:50

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Originally Posted by ih8cheatskiscum

Now we have them all fit SAF needs to choose his best two and stick with them bringing a third in when needed (this will be rarely imo). The others come in to cover for injuries / introduced as subs to affect the game in some way. As Rafa proves all too well, rotation does not work.

SAF needs to do this quickly before we drop any more points and fuck the title up.

agreed

Pogue Mahone · 4th February 2008, 12:52

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Even though people have failed to notice..Scholes had a terrible day vs Spurs. A hard game to early after an injury lay off. That is what was killing our midfield. Nothing else. Because placing Carrick alongside him didn't improve a thing. Which says it all. Since they normally gel superbly

A very good point by the Chief.

Scholes did have a bit of a shocker, which was always gonna cause problems for his midfield partner. When Scholesy was eventually subbed off, it had a far more beneficial effect than Hargreaves being hooked.

Mozza · 4th February 2008, 13:05

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

A very good point by the Chief.

Scholes did have a bit of a shocker, which was always gonna cause problems for his midfield partner. When Scholesy was eventually subbed off, it had a far more beneficial effect than Hargreaves being hooked.

I'll repeat what I said in the other thread, the problem with Hargreaves is he can't help when Scholes has an off day nor with any of his current midfield partners as he can't pass, we're sunk because he's shit at football.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 4th February 2008, 13:18

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Originally Posted by Mozza

I'll repeat what I said in the other thread, the problem with Hargreaves is he can't help when Scholes has an off day nor with any of his current midfield partners as he can't pass, we're sunk because he's shit at football.

That's just stupid. Carrick came on and Scholes was still awful and so were we. You can't have one partner in a two man midfield having an off day and expect anything to work. Seriously. It not a surprise we only begun functioning when Anderson was brought on for Scholes.

GusHiddink · 4th February 2008, 13:21

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Originally Posted by Mozza

I'll repeat what I said in the other thread, the problem with Hargreaves is he can't help when Scholes has an off day nor with any of his current midfield partners as he can't pass, we're sunk because he's shit at football.

Lol at your location.

strong words for a utd player though.

Pogue Mahone · 4th February 2008, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Mozza

I'll repeat what I said in the other thread, the problem with Hargreaves is he can't help when Scholes has an off day nor with any of his current midfield partners as he can't pass, we're sunk because he's shit at football.

Do you always judge new signings after just over 6 months at the club? Because that's a very good way to end up making yourself look stupid.

sincher · 4th February 2008, 13:31

Mozza's genuinely down about this whole Hargreaves thing.

Hang in there Mozza. We all love Michael really.

noodlehair · 4th February 2008, 13:35

Michael Owen Hargreaves

Mozza · 4th February 2008, 13:50

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Do you always judge new signings after just over 6 months at the club? Because that's a very good way to end up making yourself look stupid.

He can't pass, you can tell that pretty quickly about any player, no matter how well he does his running around thing he'll never be able to pass a ball so he'll never be good enough.

peterstorey · 4th February 2008, 13:52

At the risk of repeating myself Hargreaves didn't arrive from nowhere, his limitations were well exposed when he played for Bayern. None of this should be a surprise.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 4th February 2008, 14:06

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Originally Posted by Mozza

He can't pass, you can tell that pretty quickly about any player, no matter how well he does his running around thing he'll never be able to pass a ball so he'll never be good enough.

He knows how to pass the ball alright. But because you plain hate him you will never admit it. No player who has played for years in a 4-4-2 system at a club like Bayern can not know how to pass the ball. That is an impossiibilty.

Mozza · 4th February 2008, 14:11

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

He knows how to pass the ball alright. But because you plain hate him you will never admit it. No player who has played for years in a 4-4-2 system at a club like Bayern can not know how to pass the ball. That is an impossiibilty.

Nicky Butt played a bazillion games for us, he couldn't pass either

Pogue Mahone · 4th February 2008, 14:13

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Originally Posted by peterstorey

At the risk of repeating myself Hargreaves didn't arrive from nowhere, his limitations were well exposed when he played for Bayern. None of this should be a surprise.

He managed to hide his "limitations" quite well en route to winning all those trophies for Bayern.

Mozza · 4th February 2008, 14:15

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

He managed to hide his "limitations" quite well en route to winning all those trophies for Bayern.

He was their Nicky Butt/Phil Neville/Random youth product who was decent enough but nought special.

We paid £18 million for Butt

IhabX7 · 4th February 2008, 14:18

The young Nicky Butt was a better midfielder than Hargreaves is now.

Pogue Mahone · 4th February 2008, 14:21

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Originally Posted by Mozza

He was their Nicky Butt/Phil Neville/Random youth product who was decent enough but nought special.

We paid £18 million for Butt

Do you seriously think Owen Hargreaves is no better than Nicky Butt? I mean, seriously?

peterstorey · 4th February 2008, 14:23

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Do you seriously think Owen Hargreaves is no better than Nicky Butt? I mean, seriously?

Seriously, not a whole lot in it.

Mozza · 4th February 2008, 14:24

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

Do you seriously think Owen Hargreaves is no better than Nicky Butt? I mean, seriously?

He's no better

Pogue Mahone · 4th February 2008, 14:26

Fucking hell. I knew I shouldn't have bothered coming back to this thread. 31 pages, filled with mainly with some of the most ridiculous opinions I've ever heard.

Good to see it's business as usual on here today.

Adieu.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 4th February 2008, 14:33

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Originally Posted by Mozza

Nicky Butt played a bazillion games for us, he couldn't pass either

You can't compare a mere squad player like Butt to Hargreaves. Hargreaves is far better than Butt ever was. Hargreaves was a key player at Bayern. Which Butt wasn't at Manchester United.

Mozza · 4th February 2008, 14:34

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

You can't compare a mere squad player like Butt to Hargreaves. Hargreaves is far better than Butt ever was. Hargreaves was a key player at Bayern. Which Butt wasn't at Manchester United.

Butt started as many games as Scholes in the treble season

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 4th February 2008, 14:39

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Originally Posted by Mozza

Butt started as many games as Scholes in the treble season

I could care less. He was never a key player. Neither was he ever able to single handely out perform and destroy the one of the world's best midfields including Zidane, Figo and Makelele over two legs as a youngster. This is not even debateable.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber · 4th February 2008, 14:43

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Originally Posted by Mozza

He was their Nicky Butt/Phil Neville/Random youth product who was decent enough but nought special.

We paid £18 million for Butt

Yep. That's why Bayern had given him a new long term contract and sold him for 18 million. They are known for keeping youth team mediocres in their squad and giving them long term contracts. Then selling them for abnormal profit

sincher · 4th February 2008, 14:43

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

No player who has played for years in a 4-4-2 system at a club like Bayern can not know how to pass the ball. That is an impossiibilty.

peterstorey · 4th February 2008, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

I could care less. He was never a key player. Neither was he ever able to single handely out perform and destroy the one of the world's best midfields including Zidane, Figo and Makelele over two legs as a youngster. This is not even debateable.

Single-handedly? I think Sagnol, Salihamidzic, Jeremies and Lizarazu might disagree.

4th February 2008, 12:33	#1202 (permalink)
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Football Fanatics Central..Equator branch Posts: 20,870	Even though people have failed to notice..Scholes had a terrible day vs Spurs. A hard game to early after an injury lay off. That is what was killing our midfield. Nothing else. Because placing Carrick alongside him didn't improve a thing. Which says it all. Since they normally gel superbly

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ih8cheatskiscum Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,496	Now we have them all fit SAF needs to choose his best two and stick with them bringing a third in when needed (this will be rarely imo). The others come in to cover for injuries / introduced as subs to affect the game in some way. As Rafa proves all too well, rotation does not work. SAF needs to do this quickly before we drop any more points and fuck the title up.

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sincher Les jeux sont Fait Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: YSC Posts: 14,156	Mozza's genuinely down about this whole Hargreaves thing. Hang in there Mozza. We all love Michael really.

4th February 2008, 13:35	#1211 (permalink)
noodlehair Sacked Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes. Posts: 31,982	Michael Owen Hargreaves

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peterstorey Winner of the 'Most pompous arrogant pretentious Gooner' title 2004 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Happy those, who can remain at Highbury! Posts: 9,213	At the risk of repeating myself Hargreaves didn't arrive from nowhere, his limitations were well exposed when he played for Bayern. None of this should be a surprise.

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IhabX7 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,388	The young Nicky Butt was a better midfielder than Hargreaves is now.

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Pogue Mahone Dr Death wasting tax payers money on the Caf all day Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "As relaxed and natural on the park as a dog chasing a piece of silver paper in the wind" Posts: 16,094	Fucking hell. I knew I shouldn't have bothered coming back to this thread. 31 pages, filled with mainly with some of the most ridiculous opinions I've ever heard. Good to see it's business as usual on here today. Adieu.