Hargreaves - one signing too many?

peterstorey

Note that the four I mentioned are very good footballers. Note also that Hargreaves didn't even play in the first leg because the mighty Effenberg was available.

Mozza

So why did Hargreaves fail to stop Milan last season? He can do it all by himself.

Mozza

The best midfielder that wasn't Roy Keane, he was an awesome arrogant German bastard.

peterstorey

Reamed us at Highbury in 2000, the memory of him powering through the midfield still gives me the willies.

noodlehair

Hargreaves can pass alright, it's just that he has to have about 15 touches, and run pointlessly halfway across the pitch before he can do so. By which time there are no passes to make except to turn around and play it straight back the way he came from.

and Peterstorey is right. Everyone should have some idea what Hargreaves is about from his pre-United days. I didn't want us to sign him for that reason. It's depressing, and also worrying seeing him in the team, when both Anderson and Carrick are sitting on the bench. That's like leaving out Rooney and Tevez in order to accomodate Emuel Heskey.

He shouldn't be at United, and he certanly shouldn't be starting games ahead of people who are far better than him.

He spent about a year chasing Liam Miller, and spent 30million Veron. Ferguson has made more than his fair share of rubbish midfield signings

Iron Stove

Effenberg was an immense footballer, but everytime I saw his ugly mug I felt like punching him. Some people have that quality.

Bayern Munich had some team back then.

peterstorey

Effing brilliant player, who could destroy teams single-handedly.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

I never said they weren't good players. Besides, a youngster named Hargreaves filling in for Effenberg owned the REAL midfield. If he was merely a Nicky Butt and extremely limited that would never have happened. You can't hide form that fact.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Figure it out. It shouldn't be hard for you. After all that's how you discovered Makelele was an amazing playmaker for Chelsea.

Mozza

You can't write an answer without contradicting yourself so you've come up with this post to wriggle out of giving one

FreakyJim

fuck off chief rubberhead, he was never considered a first team regular at Bayern, he was used in all sorts of positions, right back as well. Jeremis,if hadn't had all the injuries, would've been ahead of him in the pecking order easily. Owen H didn't develope one bit since he was 19 and he was something between average and decent in a piss poor german bundesliga all those years.

Yes, piss-poor german bundesliga.

One or two decent european games won't make any difference.

This "Hargreaves is a great player" madness started at the World Cup where he ran about whlist all the other PL players couldn't make a move because they couldn't be arsed or didn't have the strenght after yet another hectic premiership and CL campaign.


And Fergie does make mistakes.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Rather I don't want to stoop to your level of stupidity. You've asked a mightily stupid question as usual so deserved an equally appalling answer.

Everyone knows Hargreaves returned from a long term injury a few weeks before he faced Milan. Even then he played with hardly his first team but ensured Bayern didn't get humiliated United style. In a tie they were expected to be white washed at least once in both legs. Meanwhile we all know how your fully fit and "superior" Carrick faired in comparison, surrounded by first choice partners and at peak fitness. In a tie United were hot favorites to win.

Mozza

Bayern lost 2-0 at home

Scholes was suspended for the second leg, and you know the state our defence was in

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Shut the fuck up and fuck off.. You clearly don't know anything about Bayern neither do you know a thing about Hargreaves. All you know is what the pathetic British press fed you for years. From the i vantage point of abject ignorance. Prof of this is your clueless notion that people only saw Hargreaves as good "After the world cup" No team in world football history has ever offered an average player a new long term contract, then refused to sell him when he is wanted until 17 million was offered. You moron

FreakyJim

Hehe, and that's where you're wrong, chief. Just by a "lucky" coincidence I happened to live in Munich for 6 years and having nothing better to do I've watched my fair share of Bayern games.

So please spare me your usual I-know-all-about-Bayern-and-you-dont bollocks.
It might work on some people here, not me though.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

You don't get off that easily. Hargreaves fresh form long injury lay off faced Milan with a make shift defence, midfield and attack over two legs. Drawing at the San Siro and losing only 2-0 at home. With a baldy injury hit side. In a tie in which they weren't favorites

Meanwhile Carrick faced Milan home and away with his first choice midfield partners and his best forwards. We scrapped a narrow win at home. Got white washed 3-0 at the San Siro. Yes. Scholes played both legs vs Milan. Lying about that and bringing up our defence as an excuse for Carrick wont help you

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Spare me your bullshit. I dont care if you lived in the Munich Olympic stadium itself. You are fucking liar. I can bet my house that none of what you've just said about Hargreaves would be seconded by the poster Ballache. A renowned Bayern fan like myself. People like Beckenbauer have Praised Hargreaves long before the last world cup ever came around. So just fuck off. Liar

Mozza

You're right, he missed the 7-1 at home, Scholes was that shite I forgot he played

So injury is a valid excuse for Hargreaves but Carrick playing in a United side with a makeshift defence and without their target man has no excuse

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Hargreaves played in a side that had at one point Sahildazimic at fullback. The equivalent of us playing a Giggs there and people like Ottl in midfield, the equivalent of us using a youngster like Gibson in the heart of our midfield, against Milan. Not to mention being without a number of first choice midfield partners and strikers. So your darn right, the defence argument is not a good enough excuse for Carrick.

golden_blunder

Mozza

We had a fullback playing at center back who'd missed the entire season through injury, in the second leg we had Vidic playing his first game since his return from a broken collar bone, we never had our first choice right back and our first choice left back was missing for the second leg.

FreakyJim

A liar? About what - Hargreaves? Or that I've seen more Bayern games than you have? Or that I've actually been to more Bayern games than you probably ever will?

Ask Ballache whatever you will, I'm happy that there's fair share of football fans in here that aren't deluded and see what Hargreaves is all about.

Please, continue to spout bollocks.

Actually I'm not convinced what you are really trying to say. You mention Makelele, you mention Gattuso and you could as well mention Vieira, Redondo, Dunga or whoever you want. That won't make Hargreaves a world class DM.
He's just average going to decent(sometimes).
In a midfield of two CMs a decent Hargreaves can't work. And won't work. Can't your boiled potato of a brain comprehend this?

Pogue Mahone

I'm curious to hear opinions on how some of you reckon Hargreaves did against Arsenal and Liverpool, earlier on this season?

Because you seem to be describing a player with nowhere near enough ability to step up to the mark and help nullify players like Gerrard and Fabregas.

I'm very much in the "wait and see" camp with regards to Hargreaves and I think his performance's have been mixed. But there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that he was very, very good in those two games and I'm more than happy to pay that kind of money for a player who made such a valuable contribution in two massive games, when we were missing Scholes and Carrick.

It remains to be seen whether he can perform like that for a sustained run in the team but he's definitely added something to our squad that we didn't have before. And that doesn't come cheap, when you're talking about a squad as good as we have at Manchester United.

bbest

Any relevancy?

http://www.fcbayernforum.com/about44-0-asc-255.html

http://www.fcbayernforum.com/about624.html

Pogue Mahone

Not really.

The opinions of Bayern fans on whether or not Hargreaves is any good, after he's stuck two fingers up to the club, is about as relevant as the opinions of United fans on Judas Heinze - who managed to go from "the best left-back in the league" to "over-rated, slow and talentless" all in the space of about 6 months.

bbest

O.k.