Hargreaves - one signing too many?

ERICSAGOD

Totally agree!

Instant Karma

Or the fact that they play alongside other central midfielders who actually create chances and not just pass 5 yards to the attackers to do it all ? Carrick/Scholes/Anderson hardly score goals or even setup any. Giggs plays well in about 6 or 8 games a season. Anderson is getting better though and should start every game if fit. Most of our creativity and attacking threat comes from 3 players and they cant carry us through an entire season all on their own.

If Scholes and Carrick are that good, why do they keep getting embarrassed away from home by the likes of Lille and Benfica? Whenever they are up against players who close them down quickly, they create nothing because they cant carry the ball forward or go past players or create any chances. Ramos has brought this work ethic to a talented Spurs side and the main reason why they outplayed us.

Pique fucking up allowed Bolton to score. Rio didnt organize the defence on the Westham corners and allowed Fletcher to mark his brother Hargreaves was tracking Adebeyor for Arsenal's first goal and Brown failed to mark Cesc. Against Spurs, Evra is nowhere to be seen and Hargreaves is up against both Jenas and Lennon. It was a shite cross anyway but VDS palms the ball right to Berbatov and gifts him a goal.

You are a moron if you believe any of the goals were Hargreaves fault more than the defenders.

Ekeke

Gattuso generally plays on the right of midfield, Makelele generally plays in a midfield 5.

Owen Hargreaves is trying to play centrally in a 4. It doesn't really work, but he's had better form recently and hopefully he'll eventually come good. But we aren't going to play 5 in midfield to accomodate him game after game.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Yes.
You wish.

Like I need to be in the stadium to watch Bayern regularly.

I speak to him enough times. His never said the crap you came out with. He pretty much says the same things people like Beckenbauer have said about Hargreaves for ages. Similar to my views I'd take theirs over yours any time.

Sorry. That is your territory alone pal.

Rather Your swearing to the highest heavens he isn't just because you have entered Bayern's stadium often doesn't make your word gospel truth. I hope that's clear

You don' get it do you? This is not an issue for debate, You dead brained moron. I've watched Bayern enough times with my own eyes to know for fact you are talking bollocks. So try you're convincing act on a baby or some one who cares about the lies you have to say. For there not about to work on me. Does that compute?

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

They had wingers like Sahildazimic and youth players like Lell playing in defence vs Milan, second leg. With midfielders like Schweinstiger and forwards like Makaay out, to mention just two No natter how you try and paint it Hargreaves was surrounded by far worse personnel than Carrick every time, and had come off a long term injury but faired rather better. Carrick's only valid excuse for his off performance is the tie never quite suited his best attributes. Nothing else. The sooner you accept this the better. The problems with the defence affected our team and not him.

sincher

Can't argue with that.

Ah well, let's see how things spin out.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

SAF, if you mean the final. Else Bayern Munich and Manchester United have always been the clubs I support

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

They had their entire squad decimated with injuries. From the back to midfield to upfront.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Spot on

acnumber9

Perhaps it's because allied to the key personnel we were missing we were also playing a 4-5-1 system whcih most here would agree that United have by and large been shit at.

mu77

so how is hargreaves going to improve on that? by stopping the other team , which is more him running after a player than reading the game. or by dribbling or passing it by them? if you're saying he's the missing link for CL then i'd have to stick w/ my opinion of him being a luxury player like veron was.

Psmith

Embarassed away from home? We won both those games.

And they did pretty well for most of our games last season.

Psmith

And I still can't believe people are on about the Milan game. We lost because we had no defenders, our players were knackered and most didn't turn up. Listening to the Chief it would seem that Carrick single handedly gifted Milan the game by scoring 3 own goals.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

Your wrong. We played the same formation at OT and beat Milan. The formation was actually 4-3-3. With an even weaker defence than what lined up at the San Siro. The difference in both matches was simply in midfield. The one in which Gattuso started and finished we lost miserably, because our midfielders where not equipped to deal with him. I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to accept

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber

You'd only get that if you didn't read my posts properly.

Mozza

We switched to a 442 before half time at Old Trafford and were a lot more solid for it

Ballache

Hargreaves is class, you will see that especially in Europe where he will make a massive difference. im 100% sure we wouldn't have been humiliated by Milan if we had him last season. give him time, allthough im a Scholes-Carrick fan myself, that combination was too weak for strong european teams and this is where Hargreaves will prove his worth. Trust me he will prove an excellent signing


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Sam#1

I really hope your right.

skeeta

Some people seriously unvalue the importance of hard work, and do not recognise what honest endeavour can achieve.

Nucks

Spurs.

Johnno

Whilst officially Gattuso plays on the right, he is by no means a right-winger of any sorts, and by the same token, therefore Ambrosini or Seedorf who on the left are not wingers either, Milan play with a very regimental system in the midfield with Kaka being allowe to roam free with Gattuso, Ambrosini, Seedorf and Pirlo there to protect him if the attacks are broken down.
Chelsea began this system too, with Makalele, Essien and Mikel although they seem to be reverting to a more classic formation with the re-emergence of Wright-Phillips and Cole/Malouda.

Wes

nobody suggested he was a right winger, its just players have to contribute something attack-wise, which is what gattusso does when milan have the ball, seeing as he can't pass as well as pirlo. he makes good runs, and can cross. thats what hargreaves should do too. hes not good enough to run games like carrick and scholes, either

Nucks

Hargreaves has made the occasional run and the occasional cross. He has looked better and better the more games he plays without injury. We also don't know SAF's instructions. Gattuso may be told to get forward whenever possible. Hargreaves might be told to stay deep.

The biggest flaw I see in Hargreaves is that he tends to become unavailable for a return pass immediately after he lays it off. As has been pointed out this welcomes pressure onto his partner. I think he does this because he expects the ball to move forward and he is moving into a position so he can pounce on any loss of possession on our end. However he should make certain we have secured possession first by being available for any return outlet passes before he moves off.

Unfortunately I don't think Carrick and Hargreaves is going to work very well. Hargreaves is an active aggressive defensive player whose game ABSOLUTELY needs an active offensive player who can really take the game by the scruff of the neck in dynamic fashion. Carrick isn't that guy. Carrick makes passes from deep. He doesn't run with the ball and he can't make things happen he is very reliant on someone making a run that he can pick out. Scholes, well Scholes WAS that guy 5 or so years ago. Can Scholes still be that kind of player for us? I don't think he has the legs for it anymore. Scholes has adapted his game to be more of a deep playmaker. He is better than Carrick at that in my opinion but he comes with obvious defensive deficiencies ;p Anderson if he isn't already that guy will be very soon. It might be a confidence thing at this point because we have all seen glimpses of it.

I think the future is Hargreaves and Anderson.

MufcAgs23

Good post mate

Johnno

Att: Mods

Let’s just do a poll who thinks Hargreaves is A) a good signing or B) a bad signing.

I personally can’t see how these muppets think he is a bad signing, even if he hasn’t played to his full capacity yet, which he hasn’t, isn’t it far better to have him in our squad than to not?

Lizard King