How to throw a title away...

rcoobc · 22nd April 2012, 14:42

I can't believe this "it's in their hand's" is so controversial. What if the positions had flipped and we could be Champions by winning our last 4 games (from behind). We'd be saying "It's in our hands now!"

Spoony Kobayashi · 22nd April 2012, 14:42

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Originally Posted by Raoul

We will get a point at City and they won't get all three against Newcastle.

Yep.

Cold_Boy · 22nd April 2012, 14:43

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Originally Posted by Orton

Well we've pretty much went and done it. It's in City's hands now

Well done.

And thanks for getting on my back for being a knee-jerker.

Orton · 22nd April 2012, 14:44

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Originally Posted by rcoobc

I can't believe this "it's in their hand's" is so controversial. What if the positions had flipped and we could be Champions by winning our last 4 games (from behind). We'd be saying "It's in our hands now!"

Exactly, i'm tilting it towards City because they have to play us at the Etihad where they have been unbeatable all season.

jojojo · 22nd April 2012, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Orton

They also have the best home form in the league. Won every game bar the Sunderland one, where they showed great character to come back from 3-1 down.

You know the reason we're top is because we aren't every other team in the League

Lance Uppercut · 22nd April 2012, 14:44

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Originally Posted by rcoobc

I can't believe this "it's in their hand's" is so controversial. What if the positions had flipped and we could be Champions by winning our last 4 games (from behind). We'd be saying "It's in our hands now!"

Then we'd be wrong.

wr8_utd · 22nd April 2012, 14:44

Bring Vidic back from injury and park the bus at the Etihad next week. A draw would be lovely.

Moriarty · 22nd April 2012, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Orton

Exactly, i'm tilting it towards City because they have to play us at the Etihad where they have been unbeatable all season.

Except in the FA Cup.

kps88 · 22nd April 2012, 14:44

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Originally Posted by rcoobc

I can't believe this "it's in their hand's" is so controversial. What if the positions had flipped and we could be Champions by winning our last 4 games (from behind). We'd be saying "It's in our hands now!"

I know. Its really not hard to understand. The phrase implies you don't need to count on other teams. A scenario which applies to both City and us. Yet you'll get people harping on about points.

Hectic · 22nd April 2012, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Then we'd be wrong.

Lance Uppercut · 22nd April 2012, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Orton

Exactly, i'm tilting it towards City because they have to play us at the Etihad where they have been unbeatable all season.

We don't have to beat them.

Siorac · 22nd April 2012, 14:45

It's annoying to drop points like this, sure, but this wasn't depressing and horrible like the Wigan defeat. We played brilliant football in the second half but paid the price of our complacency. The brilliant displays of Nani and Welbeck are real positives, something to take into the City game. We can hurt them if we sort out the defending and stop being so complacent.

Cold_Boy · 22nd April 2012, 14:45

So we need 2 wins in 3 to win it right?

Nervy but still in our hands.

Not confident about our mentality though.

Orton · 22nd April 2012, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Moriarty

Except in the FA Cup.

Where they went down to ten men in the first half, and still almost came back.

Cheesy · 22nd April 2012, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Then we'd be wrong.

No, we wouldn't be. It's in their hands in the sense that if they win all of their games, they win the title. It's not hard to comprehend.

Hectic · 22nd April 2012, 14:45

This is like being trapped in Kelvin's mind.

adam118 · 22nd April 2012, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Orton

Exactly, i'm tilting it towards City because they have to play us at the Etihad where they have been unbeatable all season.

Only in the league though.

Judge Red · 22nd April 2012, 14:45

City should be favourites with the bookies if not now than by the end of the day. As things stand I'd still prefer to be in our position, though. They've got to beat us, Newcastle and potentially a bitter Mark Hughes with his side fighting for survival.

The sad truth is, we deserve to be punished. We haven't been up to the standards we expect this season and that's why we end up with a result like today's.

That'sHernandez · 22nd April 2012, 14:46

I can't believe what I am reading here. Is there any supporting us if the moment you think we've wavered, you're going to jump ship for the next best thing?

kouroux · 22nd April 2012, 14:46

Whether it's in our hands or theirs is obviously a matter of opinion, despite everything United still has the better situation.Whatever happens today, at the kick off next week, United will have a three point lead.

kps88 · 22nd April 2012, 14:46

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Originally Posted by Orton

Where they went down to ten men in the first half, and still almost came back.

And outplayed us in the second half with 10 men.

Havak · 22nd April 2012, 14:46

That's seven games that we have gone behind first in and not won...

Hint. Don't concede first in our next three games. Especially on Monday.

Moriarty · 22nd April 2012, 14:46

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Originally Posted by Orton

Where they went down to ten men in the first half, and still almost came back.

So what? We made them look average until we let them back in.

Devil may care · 22nd April 2012, 14:46

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Originally Posted by kouroux

Sunderland 3-3 so, I think they won all of the rest.I expected a defeat at the Etihad before this match and now more than ever I expect it

This is why if they win today it's as much in their hands as ours, if we go there with only a 3 point gap they have positive momentum and we are coming off a collapse at home, and they have a near perfect home record.

redevil2 · 22nd April 2012, 14:46

Is is such a dumb thread and meaningless discussion. Some United supporters are glory hunters, period!

We are 6 points ahead and three games to play, and people on here said we have throwing away the title?!! How come they don't know the maths? We are fecking 6 points ahead!!!! How could City all of a sudden get advantage?!!!

rcoobc · 22nd April 2012, 14:46

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Originally Posted by Orton

Exactly, i'm tilting it towards City because they have to play us at the Etihad where they have been unbeatable all season.

No.

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Then we'd be wrong.

So all those times in World Cups and European Championships, when all the 3rd place team has to do is beat the 2nd place team in the final group game and they go through, and it's wrong to use this expression?

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Originally Posted by kps88

I know. Its really not hard to understand. The phrase implies you don't need to count on other teams. A scenario which applies to both City and us. Yet you'll get people harping on about points.

It's like the whole caf is on a massive WUM and we haven't been invited!

kouroux · 22nd April 2012, 14:46

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Originally Posted by Siorac

It's annoying to drop points like this, sure, but this wasn't depressing and horrible like the Wigan defeat. We played brilliant football in the second half but paid the price of our complacency. The brilliant displays of Nani and Welbeck are real positives, something to take into the City game. We can hurt them if we sort out the defending and stop being so complacent.

For me this feels a lot worse than the Wigan defeat but by a big margin tbh.

Transfer United Till I Die · 22nd April 2012, 14:47

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Originally Posted by Moriarty

Fergie will be digging out his DVD of Devon Loch tonight. Still, it sets it up nicely for a 'title decider' next week, even though that's a misnomer if you ask me. There's still 9 points to play for and City won't relish taking us on.

Really? I think they'll be gagging to play us. We're there for the taking.

Lance Uppercut · 22nd April 2012, 14:47

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Originally Posted by Cheesy

No, we wouldn't be. It's in their hands in the sense that if they win all of their games, they win the title. It's not hard to comprehend.

It is also not hard to comprehend that we are 6 points clear with 3 games left. Two wins and a draw and we win the title. They need four wins. They have no margin for error. We do.

kps88 · 22nd April 2012, 14:47

A better GD would have been brilliant just about now.

De Selby · 22nd April 2012, 14:47

Some shocking arithmetic in here.

Aporkalypse · 22nd April 2012, 14:47

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Originally Posted by That'sHernandez

I can't believe what I am reading here. Is there any supporting us if the moment you think we've wavered, you're going to jump ship for the next best thing?

Where has anyone even suggest jumping ship?

Siorac · 22nd April 2012, 14:47

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Originally Posted by Havak

That's seven games that we have gone behind first in and not won...

Hint. Don't concede first in our next three games. Especially on Monday.

Well, another 4-4 draw after going behind would be perfect on Monday

1999united2008 · 22nd April 2012, 14:47

watch as Wolves bend over for City now "please fuck us out the premiership"

TheReligion · 22nd April 2012, 14:48

So let me get this right, everyone is really confident, after watching that shambes at the back, that we can go to City and get a win or draw?

I am not sure. If Jelavic, Pienaar, Felliani etc can pull us apart like today what on earth do you think Tevez, Aguero, Silva, Toure will do on their own patch?

Say what you want about me but I just don't see us getting anything on Monday, I really don't.

Hectic · 22nd April 2012, 14:48

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Originally Posted by De Selby

Some shocking arithmetic in here.

This is mental!

kps88 · 22nd April 2012, 14:48

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

It is also not hard to comprehend that we are 6 points clear with 3 games left. Two wins and a draw and we win the title. They need four wins. They have no margin for error. We do.

That's got absolutely nothing to do with the phrase "in their hands", but carry on talking about points.

Rednails · 22nd April 2012, 14:48

Absolutely gutted. Still can't believe it. 1-1 I could have taken, but not 4-4.

City will win title on goal difference now.

Moriarty · 22nd April 2012, 14:49

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Originally Posted by kps88

And outplayed us in the second half with 10 men.

They were defending the cup at home. Of course they'd put up a hell of a fight. It'll be a more cautious game next week but we're more that capable of going there and winning or getting a point. Hopefully, we'll go 4-5-1 and play it like a European away game (not the Bilbao variety of course).

Orton · 22nd April 2012, 14:49

Bloody Everton just put 4 goals past us, and to think i'm getting shot down for being the only one worried that today we may have completely blown it? Everton!

It was a shambles out there today, not a team who look like champions.

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22nd April 2012, 14:42	#81 (permalink)
rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: The treble gone Posts: 23,014	I can't believe this "it's in their hand's" is so controversial. What if the positions had flipped and we could be Champions by winning our last 4 games (from behind). We'd be saying "It's in our hands now!"

22nd April 2012, 14:44	#87 (permalink)
wr8_utd :'( Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 28,308	Bring Vidic back from injury and park the bus at the Etihad next week. A draw would be lovely.

22nd April 2012, 14:45	#92 (permalink)
Siorac First Team Sub Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 16th century Posts: 6,142	It's annoying to drop points like this, sure, but this wasn't depressing and horrible like the Wigan defeat. We played brilliant football in the second half but paid the price of our complacency. The brilliant displays of Nani and Welbeck are real positives, something to take into the City game. We can hurt them if we sort out the defending and stop being so complacent.

22nd April 2012, 14:45	#93 (permalink)
Cold_Boy Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London Posts: 20,139	So we need 2 wins in 3 to win it right? Nervy but still in our hands. Not confident about our mentality though.

22nd April 2012, 14:45	#96 (permalink)
Hectic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mike Phelan WILL kill you. Posts: 64,756	This is like being trapped in Kelvin's mind.

22nd April 2012, 14:45	#98 (permalink)
Judge Red Don't Call Me Douglas Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,048	City should be favourites with the bookies if not now than by the end of the day. As things stand I'd still prefer to be in our position, though. They've got to beat us, Newcastle and potentially a bitter Mark Hughes with his side fighting for survival. The sad truth is, we deserve to be punished. We haven't been up to the standards we expect this season and that's why we end up with a result like today's.

22nd April 2012, 14:46	#99 (permalink)
That'sHernandez First Team Regular Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 16,013	I can't believe what I am reading here. Is there any supporting us if the moment you think we've wavered, you're going to jump ship for the next best thing?

22nd April 2012, 14:46	#100 (permalink)
kouroux No Lifer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Djibouti (La terre des braves) Posts: 32,556	Whether it's in our hands or theirs is obviously a matter of opinion, despite everything United still has the better situation.Whatever happens today, at the kick off next week, United will have a three point lead.

22nd April 2012, 14:46	#102 (permalink)
Havak Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Salford, Manchester Posts: 3,074	That's seven games that we have gone behind first in and not won... Hint. Don't concede first in our next three games. Especially on Monday.

22nd April 2012, 14:46	#105 (permalink)
redevil2 Not a bloke.. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 5,853	Is is such a dumb thread and meaningless discussion. Some United supporters are glory hunters, period! We are 6 points ahead and three games to play, and people on here said we have throwing away the title?!! How come they don't know the maths? We are fecking 6 points ahead!!!! How could City all of a sudden get advantage?!!!

22nd April 2012, 14:47	#110 (permalink)
kps88 First Team Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12,183	A better GD would have been brilliant just about now.

22nd April 2012, 14:47	#111 (permalink)
De Selby Likes them tattooed and bald Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Is that a real poncho, or is that a Sears poncho? Posts: 5,708	Some shocking arithmetic in here.

22nd April 2012, 14:47	#114 (permalink)
1999united2008 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Posts: 2,264	watch as Wolves bend over for City now "please fuck us out the premiership"

22nd April 2012, 14:48	#115 (permalink)
TheReligion Abusive Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 11,999	So let me get this right, everyone is really confident, after watching that shambes at the back, that we can go to City and get a win or draw? I am not sure. If Jelavic, Pienaar, Felliani etc can pull us apart like today what on earth do you think Tevez, Aguero, Silva, Toure will do on their own patch? Say what you want about me but I just don't see us getting anything on Monday, I really don't.

22nd April 2012, 14:48	#118 (permalink)
Rednails Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lancashire Posts: 1,367	Absolutely gutted. Still can't believe it. 1-1 I could have taken, but not 4-4. City will win title on goal difference now.

22nd April 2012, 14:49	#120 (permalink)
Orton Ati-virus, keeps missing the n button Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: bonnie wee Scotland Posts: 12,367	Bloody Everton just put 4 goals past us, and to think i'm getting shot down for being the only one worried that today we may have completely blown it? Everton! It was a shambles out there today, not a team who look like champions.