I rate Rooney above Ronaldo

red2deadboy · 2nd August 2007, 08:19

Wouldn't the ideal scenario be that these 2 young lads will be trying to constantly improve and become the best player in the world and be able to bounce off eachother. Plus we've got the new young guns in town nani & adderson who will be trying to get in on the party in the next few years. The future looks good and if all goes to SAF's plan, why leave paradise

Sky1981 · 2nd August 2007, 19:32

sigh... the anti Ronaldo stuff.

If Ronnie's a brit, he'll be hailed as the next mesiah. Face it.

kanchelskis14 · 2nd August 2007, 19:54

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Originally Posted by Sky1981

sigh... the anti Ronaldo stuff.

If Ronnie's a brit, he'll be hailed as the next mesiah. Face it.

Now Henry's gone, he's probably the best attacking player in the league is Ronaldo.

GE · 2nd August 2007, 20:10

Rooney!

Eto'odinho · 2nd August 2007, 21:28

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Originally Posted by Sky1981

sigh... the anti Ronaldo stuff.

If Ronnie's a brit, he'll be hailed as the next mesiah. Face it.

Its better than Ronaldo is NOT Brit largely because of two main reasons:
1) He would have been dismissed so early on in his career as nothing but a show pony luxury player and even if had he made it he would've been discouraged by most coaches from displaying his skills.

2) Remember the Rooney-Pele comparisons in the build up to last summer's world cup? I wonder what comparisons would've been made in the case of Ronaldo.

kanchelskis14 · 2nd August 2007, 21:48

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Originally Posted by Eto'odinho

Its better than Ronaldo is NOT Brit largely because of two main reasons:
1) He would have been dismissed so early on in his career as nothing but a show pony luxury player and even if had he made it he would've been discuraged by most coaches to display his skills.

2) Remember the Rooney-Pele comparisons in the build up to last summer's world cup? I wonder what comparisons would've been made in the case of Ronaldo.

true.

No top club would have taken a chance on Ronaldo as a kid, he would have been just a trickster to them.

malcolm31337 · 22nd June 2008, 14:48

Sorry to be a cnut, but its true. We always knew it deep down.

ZIDANE · 22nd June 2008, 15:21

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Originally Posted by lynchie

Irate Rooney above Ronaldo

redmanc · 23rd June 2008, 09:33

My choice was Rooney then, its still Rooney now

Robbo · 23rd June 2008, 09:36

Still stands

Colly · 23rd June 2008, 09:52

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Originally Posted by Eyepopper

I rate rating players above one another as worse than rating their suiability to playing together..

I rate the fact that you rate rating players above one another as worse than rating their suiability to playing together as just as bad as rating already highly rated players.......

Tibs · 23rd June 2008, 10:18

They are both class.

If Rooney could hit a barn door, then he'd be included in the top players lists along with Ronnie, Kaka and Messi. He'll sort it out though, and we will get too see the full potential of Wazza.

Ronaldo is on another level, has been unstoppable this season.

For the past two seasons Ronaldo > Rooney - but its VERY close

If Ronaldo does go, which he won't, I have no problem in saying Rooney will be more than capable his game up to an even higher level

Sam#1 · 23rd June 2008, 14:43

I've been saying this for ages.

sonymobby · 23rd June 2008, 14:45

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Originally Posted by Sam#1

I've been saying this for ages.

I think everybody knew that...

Sam#1 · 23rd June 2008, 14:46

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Originally Posted by sonymobby

I think everybody knew that...

Good.

samabachan · 23rd June 2008, 15:15

Ronaldo>Rooney. Portugal>England.

Mojo_pin · 23rd June 2008, 15:19

I think it goes without saying Ronaldo was far more effective, production-wise, when Rooney was in the line-up.

neno · 23rd June 2008, 15:49

Ronaldo is def. more technically gifted (this goes without say) and currently more effective than Rooney. But Rooney is more explosive, plays and sacrifices for the team, and has a much better mentality on and off the pitch. Rooney will perform even if the odds are against him. Ronaldo will just throw a hissy fit like in the games against milan. If were trailing 0-1 against a top team i'd rather have rooney on my team.

samabachan · 23rd June 2008, 16:01

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Originally Posted by neno

Ronaldo is def. more technically gifted (this goes without say) and currently more effective than Rooney. But Rooney is more explosive, plays and sacrifices for the team, and has a much better mentality on and off the pitch. Rooney will perform even if the odds are against him. Ronaldo will just throw a hissy fit like in the games against milan. If were trailing 0-1 against a top team i'd rather have rooney on my team.

Strange that Ronaldo scored against Lyon, Chelsea, Roma etc then isn't it?

neno · 23rd June 2008, 16:24

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Strange that Ronaldo scored against Lyon, Chelsea, Roma etc then isn't it?

idiot. we werent losing and we were playing better at the time that he scored. my whole argument was based on when things are going against us when we face quality opposition. I never said that he doesnt score against big teams.

samabachan · 23rd June 2008, 16:33

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Originally Posted by neno

idiot. we werent losing and we were playing better at the time that he scored. my whole argument was based on when things are going against us when we face quality opposition. I never said that he doesnt score against big teams.

Okay but Rooney was anonymous in the CL final especially when we were losing so that part of your argument rather falls down anyway.

neno · 23rd June 2008, 16:48

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Okay but Rooney was anonymous in the CL final especially when we were losing so that part of your argument rather falls down anyway.

when where we losing in the cl final while rooney was on the pitch?

If I remember correctly ronaldo scored first, then lamaprd, then rooney was taken off, cech saves ronnies penalty,(here is where you could say we where losing, i guess) terry hits the post, vds wins it for us...

also rooney was just coming back from an injury, you can't expect him to play his best agaisnt the most physical defensive team in the world, its not like he was playing agaisnt the dutch.

kietotheworld · 23rd June 2008, 16:58

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Originally Posted by samabachan

Okay but Rooney was anonymous in the CL final especially when we were losing so that part of your argument rather falls down anyway.

We were never losing in the CL Final.

redwhiteblack · 23rd June 2008, 17:24

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Originally Posted by samabachan

Okay but Rooney was anonymous in the CL final especially when we were losing so that part of your argument rather falls down anyway.

Wayne Rooney's game has been shifted around to the point of sabotage by our club due to the (in hollywood voice) 'world's best player - Cristiano Ronaldo'.

newsflash, Wayne Rooney DESTROYS defences for 'CR7' to cut inside and score.

newsflash, 'CR7' finds it A LOT harder to score without Wayne Rooney, just ask Portugal.

newsflash, Wayne Rooney is a far more NATURALLY GIFTED footballer than 'CR7'.

let's start playing Wayne in his natural position.

let's shape our attack around this selfless, lion hearted young man.

let's only have players at our club who passionately want to be here.

jojojo · 23rd June 2008, 18:43

In the ten games that Ronaldo started and Rooney didn't - Ronaldo scored ten goals (though one of them came after Roo came on as sub). Missing Rooney hurts the team, of course it does, fortunately it didn't make Ronaldo stop playing else it would have hurt us more. In the twelve Ron started without Tevez, he scored 10 goals.

He's been Portugal's top scorer for the past two years and has scored 21 goals in 58 games for them - a similar scoring rate to Rooney for England (14 in 43)

I understand why people would prefer Rooney to Ronaldo and even why some believe that Roo was a more important player than Ron last season - but the Ron factor wasn't just press hype.

marcus agrippa · 23rd June 2008, 18:52

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Originally Posted by neno

idiot. we werent losing and we were playing better at the time that he scored. my whole argument was based on when things are going against us when we face quality opposition. I never said that he doesnt score against big teams.

we were trailing in Rome when Ronaldo made the run that set up the goal for Rooney 2006/2007 CL Quarters. and what a run. we were a man down as well, Ronaldo kept getting fouled and the referee ignoring it.

i understand what you're saying, but Ronaldo holds the key to unlocking organised defences - and that's something very invaluable. for some reason, Rooney's stopped running at defences as much.

i'd much rather our team with both of them, as i'm sure would SAF, than with one or the other, since it has obviously been built to be effective that way.

ch7 · 23rd June 2008, 18:52

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Originally Posted by redwhiteblack

Wayne Rooney's game has been shifted around to the point of sabotage by our club due to the (in hollywood voice) 'world's best player - Cristiano Ronaldo'.
newsflash, Wayne Rooney DESTROYS defences for 'CR7' to cut inside and score.
newsflash, 'CR7' finds it A LOT harder to score without Wayne Rooney, just ask Portugal.
newsflash, Wayne Rooney is a far more NATURALLY GIFTED footballer than 'CR7'.
let's start playing Wayne in his natural position.
let's shape our attack around this selfless, lion hearted young man.
let's only have players at our club who passionately want to be here.

When looking back at the season review DVD I counted just 2 direct Rooney assists against Wigan at home and Derby away for Ronaldo's 42 goals. Of course Rooney creates space for his teammates but thats what any top level player like Rooney should be doing when playing for a club like Manchester United.

21 goals in 57 games for Portugal suggests Ronaldo doesn't instantly turn shit for his country as some want to believe. Ronaldo scored against Blackburn twice, West Ham 3 times, Bolton and Sporting Lisbon when Rooney didn't start. I think i'm correct in saying that only one of Rooney's goals came when Ronaldo didn't make an appearance and that was against Arsenal in the FA cup. Rooney also scored against Chelsea away when Ronaldo wasn't on the pitch but later came on as a sub. Also, Rooney's performances for England haven't exactly been inspirational over the last few years so maybe Rooney needs Ronaldo more than the other way around?

It was Ronaldo who looked more capable of dealing with the enormous pressure of performing well in a Champions League final (particularly first half) and not Rooney who got substituted and went into a temper tantrum on the sideline.

Next season is going to be a big one for our 'lionheart' Wayne. He should by now be at least threatening to put in a potential Ballon D'or winning season. I certainly thought he would be doing that at the age of 22 considering his impact at Euro 2004 and his promising first season with United. Rooney is not currently at the level of Ronaldo but if he has an injury free campaign then i'm confident he can start fulfilling his enormous potential properly.

fergieisold · 23rd June 2008, 19:21

I'd be much much more concerned at the loss of Wayne Rooney. He is more important to our team.

crappycraperson · 23rd June 2008, 19:27

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Originally Posted by redwhiteblack

Wayne Rooney's game has been shifted around to the point of sabotage by our club due to the (in hollywood voice) 'world's best player - Cristiano Ronaldo'.

newsflash, Wayne Rooney DESTROYS defences for 'CR7' to cut inside and score.

newsflash, 'CR7' finds it A LOT harder to score without Wayne Rooney, just ask Portugal.

newsflash, Wayne Rooney is a far more NATURALLY GIFTED footballer than 'CR7'.

let's start playing Wayne in his natural position.

let's shape our attack around this selfless, lion hearted young man.

let's only have players at our club who passionately want to be here.

That's complete shit. I am really in no mood singing Ronaldo's praises but your post has forced me.

First of all, Ronaldo has more people marking him than Rooney. This obssesssion with claiming that Rooney makes more space for him is ridiculous. You think other team managers go about focussing on Rooney even when they see Ronnie scoring two goals every week?

And Ronaldo has an excellent record for Portugal. Had a poor Euros but they may have something to with the long season he just had with us. Other than that many claim his performances for Portugal have been better than some of United's.

And Team was built around Rooney two seasons back. Then Ronnie motored to couple of levels above him and forced Fergie to make him the focus of our attack. Rooney will have to earn that back if Ronaldo does not move.

Agreed about keeping players who want to play for us.

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red2deadboy Reserve Team Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,063	Wouldn't the ideal scenario be that these 2 young lads will be trying to constantly improve and become the best player in the world and be able to bounce off eachother. Plus we've got the new young guns in town nani & adderson who will be trying to get in on the party in the next few years. The future looks good and if all goes to SAF's plan, why leave paradise

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Sky1981 Fending Off the Urge Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The reminiscence of long lost glory from the past Posts: 2,879	sigh... the anti Ronaldo stuff. If Ronnie's a brit, he'll be hailed as the next mesiah. Face it.

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GE Captain Rio Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Greater Manchester, Broughton Park - Salford PSN:CaptainRio Posts: 9,167	Rooney!

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malcolm31337 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 93, 94, 96, 97, 99, 00, 01, 03, 07, 08...09 Posts: 3,810	Sorry to be a cnut, but its true. We always knew it deep down.

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redmanc First Team Sub Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: There is no spoon. Posts: 6,492	My choice was Rooney then, its still Rooney now

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Robbo Listen cockface: I'm a bit of a spastic Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,073	Still stands

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Tibs Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,864	They are both class. If Rooney could hit a barn door, then he'd be included in the top players lists along with Ronnie, Kaka and Messi. He'll sort it out though, and we will get too see the full potential of Wazza. Ronaldo is on another level, has been unstoppable this season. For the past two seasons Ronaldo > Rooney - but its VERY close If Ronaldo does go, which he won't, I have no problem in saying Rooney will be more than capable his game up to an even higher level

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Sam#1 First Team Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Leroy Lita Posts: 14,087	I've been saying this for ages.

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samabachan Cockface McSticklebrick Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: He plays on the left, he plays on the riiiiiiiight, our boy Ronaldo made you look shite. Posts: 4,252	Ronaldo>Rooney. Portugal>England.

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Mojo_pin Youth Team Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 238	I think it goes without saying Ronaldo was far more effective, production-wise, when Rooney was in the line-up.

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neno Reserve Team Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: A town called Malice. Posts: 1,483	Ronaldo is def. more technically gifted (this goes without say) and currently more effective than Rooney. But Rooney is more explosive, plays and sacrifices for the team, and has a much better mentality on and off the pitch. Rooney will perform even if the odds are against him. Ronaldo will just throw a hissy fit like in the games against milan. If were trailing 0-1 against a top team i'd rather have rooney on my team.

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jojojo Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: It was a life before - it'll be a life after Posts: 1,699	In the ten games that Ronaldo started and Rooney didn't - Ronaldo scored ten goals (though one of them came after Roo came on as sub). Missing Rooney hurts the team, of course it does, fortunately it didn't make Ronaldo stop playing else it would have hurt us more. In the twelve Ron started without Tevez, he scored 10 goals. He's been Portugal's top scorer for the past two years and has scored 21 goals in 58 games for them - a similar scoring rate to Rooney for England (14 in 43) I understand why people would prefer Rooney to Ronaldo and even why some believe that Roo was a more important player than Ron last season - but the Ron factor wasn't just press hype.

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fergieisold Youth Team Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Manchester Posts: 435	I'd be much much more concerned at the loss of Wayne Rooney. He is more important to our team.