Jonny Evans

Feed Me · 27th November 2010, 18:01

He's going to be an absolute smashing player. He's going through a crisis of confidence that happens to a lot of young defenders.

In my opinion, most defenders peak around 28-33, so he's got so much time on his side.

Red Dreams · 27th November 2010, 18:02

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Originally Posted by Snow

Tempo of the match? There was no tempo to handle. His concentration should be high for playing for that short period of time. Didn't even give Samba a challenge for those two headers he had.
He really has no excuses for it as he does it every game, starting or not.

that was my frustration.

I remember SAF giving him a right bollocking in a CL match...thought he would be back after that.

You could see SAF being right pissed after that goal was conceeded.

But I do agree he has been quality before...and hopefully he will get his confidence back.

If anyone can get him back to his best it will be Sir Alex.

RedThaiDevils#7 · 27th November 2010, 18:08

Should have done a lot more for Samba's header, I mean you don't leave the tallest player unmarked and unchallenged in the box...

Wish he'd get back to his Ninja ways soon.

MadDogg · 27th November 2010, 19:00

I love you Jonny, but hit the fucking gym.

He just gets out-muscled and pushed around constantly, and considering he's 6'2" or 6'3" it's obviously something that he can improve. Build up some strength and attack the aerial balls more and he'll start pushing the main two again.

MacMUFC · 27th November 2010, 20:01

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Originally Posted by Snow

Tempo of the match? There was no tempo to handle. His concentration should be high for playing for that short period of time. Didn't even give Samba a challenge for those two headers he had.
He really has no excuses for it as he does it every game, starting or not.

Thats true, although I didnt see the match I might add.

moyesmyhero · 27th November 2010, 20:04

I had a hunch we would concede when he came on.

TheReligion · 27th November 2010, 20:37

He really does look dog shit at the minute

Smalling is miles ahead

kouroux · 27th November 2010, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow

Tempo of the match? There was no tempo to handle. His concentration should be high for playing for that short period of time. Didn't even give Samba a challenge for those two headers he had.
He really has no excuses for it as he does it every game, starting or not.

I agree.He hardly tried to jump or to bother Samba for his headers.Not that it matters but it's not good to see him so lethargic.

girish · 28th November 2010, 04:37

He got dominated by Samba. It was like he was Evans was trying to help him score by ducking under.

Stack · 28th November 2010, 05:54

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Originally Posted by Red Dreams

exactly....

I don't care it was 7-1...that was frustrating conceding to a team that was nowhere.

Just let it go, let it go.......

lysglimt · 28th November 2010, 06:45

People seem to ignore the fact that Samba gave him a push in the back - so basically Evans never had a chance. The goal should have been disallowed - and at 2-1 or 3-1 United - it probably would have

togg · 28th November 2010, 08:58

he's just lacking confidence. He has admitted himself that he doesn't quite know why he hasn't been playing well, so its not as though he doesn't know it himself. Good luck to him, he certainly has a big talent so lets hope he builds up that confidence again and plays like we know he can...

Godfather · 28th November 2010, 09:32

Muscles and balls is what he lacks as of yet...when he bulks up a bit and let a pair of balls grow he will be class

Fergies Formula · 28th November 2010, 09:43

Another poor performance. He looks weak, slow and unfocused. Shape up and get down the gym. Has a lot to prove, Smalling has taken bigger strides in a smaller amount of time, Smalling also looks far more the stronger and cultured defender.

Pogue Mahone · 28th November 2010, 09:43

I don't understand all this talk about him needing to go through some dramatic physical and/or mental transformation to become a decent central defender. He's already proved he has what it takes and his poor form isn't because he's suddenly "bulked down". He's just not playing very well. Which happens. The short memories on here never cease to amaze. It's almost as though the dozens of top class PL performances Evans has already put in for United and Sunderland never happened and we're discussing some kid who might or might not cope with the step up from the reserves.

All he needs is a run of games to regain his confidence and form. Hopefully he'll get those games in the domestic cup competitions, so he's ready to step up if needed in the bigger games at the end of the season.

dev1l · 28th November 2010, 09:45

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Originally Posted by olesmyhero

I had a hunch we would concede when he came on.

Same here. He s not at his best certainly but he ll be back.

amolbhatia100 · 28th November 2010, 09:45

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Originally Posted by lysglimt

People seem to ignore the fact that Samba gave him a push in the back - so basically Evans never had a chance. The goal should have been disallowed - and at 2-1 or 3-1 United - it probably would have

True.

Either way, he has the talent to be a very good centre back for us. Not a certainty of course, getting rid of sloppy mistakes is probably the biggest challenge for most defenders, and what separates the really top notch ones from the rest. Rio himself took a long time to iron out his concentration issues. But hopefully he gets there.

Godfather · 28th November 2010, 10:05

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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

I don't understand all this talk about him needing to go through some dramatic physical and/or mental transformation to become a decent central defender. He's already proved he has what it takes and his poor form isn't because he's suddenly "bulked down". He's just not playing very well. Which happens. The short memories on here never cease to amaze. It's almost as though the dozens of top class PL performances Evans has already put in for United and Sunderland never happened and we're discussing some kid who might or might not cope with the step up from the reserves.

All he needs is a run of games to regain his confidence and form. Hopefully he'll get those games in the domestic cup competitions, so he's ready to step up if needed in the bigger games at the end of the season.

Don't get me wrong Pogue, I do think he has the potential to be a very good defender.
But he gets thrown around a bit too much at times and loses too many headers. I think there's still a big room for improvement as far as his physiques is concerned.

But as you claimed the biggest problem at the moment is his confidence and I don't think yesterday's game did him any good.

Rooney1987 · 28th November 2010, 11:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone

I don't understand all this talk about him needing to go through some dramatic physical and/or mental transformation to become a decent central defender. He's already proved he has what it takes and his poor form isn't because he's suddenly "bulked down". He's just not playing very well. Which happens. The short memories on here never cease to amaze. It's almost as though the dozens of top class PL performances Evans has already put in for United and Sunderland never happened and we're discussing some kid who might or might not cope with the step up from the reserves.

All he needs is a run of games to regain his confidence and form. Hopefully he'll get those games in the domestic cup competitions, so he's ready to step up if needed in the bigger games at the end of the season.

Its amazing isnt it. People saying he could be a very good defender not could be he is very good he is just short of confidence. After the last 3 year all his great performances in big international games, high pressure PL games and knock out Champions leagues games know hes average.

Dyslexic Untied · 28th November 2010, 12:56

Adding a bit of muscle or grit to win more challenges, aerial ones as well, was always something people have wanted of him.

I've said it myself several times, when he was playing well also. He has, IMO, always lost too many headers. Now more often than not the header is lost in an area which isn't dangerous, so goals don't usually come as a direct consequence of it. But losing headers will keep pressure on us, instead of turning pressure around. That's one of the beauties of Vidic. When we are playing a team with a big striker, and we are pushing for a goal, then they will hoof the ball up, hoping their Carew, Elmander or Drogba will get a hold of it, and keep it there so that the team can move up.

Vidics denies them that, and in doing so he keeps United high in the field, still pushing for the goal. He will dominate almost every striker in the air, everytime. Evans hasn't been able to do that yet. In my opinion he struggles too often in the air. And not only against the Carews and Drogbas, but against an Anelka or Saha or other semigood headers as well. I don't think that has changed any now, but now his confidence, positioning etc is lacking as well. Something that wasn't lacking before.

Enigma_87 · 28th November 2010, 13:31

Evans is player that relies in his confidence. When he's low on that he gets patchy. Which is perfectly understandable as he's too young for a CB to be judged on.

He'll grow into it and become a better player. It's not like he has not proved he has what it takes to be playing at the highest level. His biggest problem is the lack of pace. A pacy defender could get away sometimes with bad positioning and decision making, but when he's a tad slow he is much more reliant on his concentration on the football pitch.

When that is lacking he gets found out.

Still he has time ahead of him and will become a better player. Saying Smalling is better than him after playing handful of matches is just silly. After the first bad patch and he would be crappier than Paul McShane.

Sultan · 30th November 2010, 21:05

The lads having a rough time. O'Shea looks even worse.

MacMUFC · 30th November 2010, 21:07

Needs to bulk up.

Scholesy · 30th November 2010, 21:07

Evans has to wake up.

Although I think Wootton is a superb prospect and potentially Thorpe too.

Devilton · 30th November 2010, 21:09

Someone once tried to convince me he's better then Pique.

Sunny Jim · 30th November 2010, 21:12

Typical Evans goal again (that 3:0 one). Oi jhonny learn how to deal with crosses lad

MacMUFC · 30th November 2010, 21:12

Evans I have so much faith in you, but goodness gracious me.

Sean_RedDevil · 30th November 2010, 21:13

My god Evans is so fuckin shit.

Bring on Wes and Evans should go back to the reserves

Neil_Buchanan · 30th November 2010, 21:14

looks very much out of form

Sunny Jim · 30th November 2010, 21:14

Evans again

lysglimt · 30th November 2010, 21:14

I have lost faith in Evans as well - he is so bad it hurts to look at. He is being turned inside out by useless players

MikeUpNorth · 30th November 2010, 21:14

Seems to have completely lost it at the moment. Hope he sorts himself out soon.

Chabon · 30th November 2010, 21:15

He won't be playing for the club for awhile after this, shame, but he's nobody to blame but himself.

sincher · 30th November 2010, 21:15

Ouch.

Man-United · 30th November 2010, 21:15

Worst performance I've seen from a United player in years, he seem to not even care, fuck sake.

Wes Brown should ask Fergie why the hell he's not playing when Evans is.

mu77 · 30th November 2010, 21:15

my mate said he'd get done by cole today. well he was right. he may have been pushed on the weekend but that's part and parcel of the position. you give some you get some. he's not tuned into his position at this moment.

Sultan · 30th November 2010, 21:17

People are forgetting Evans was so good last year we hardly missed Rio.

He's just going through a crisis of confidence.

Baby Faced Assassin · 30th November 2010, 21:17

In retrospect Vidic should have started with Smalling. Evans managed to fuck up when we were 7-0 up against Blackburn.

Sir Matt · 30th November 2010, 21:17

Can't defend to save his life. I'd prefer not to see him in the squad again for the rest of the season. Since the second half of last season, he hasn't been up to playing. I'm not sure how we can put him on since we give up goals whenever he's on.

lapassion · 30th November 2010, 21:18

Goodness me...

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27th November 2010, 18:01	#41 (permalink)
Feed Me I'm hungry Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: twobrightsparks.tumblr.com Posts: 20,128	He's going to be an absolute smashing player. He's going through a crisis of confidence that happens to a lot of young defenders. In my opinion, most defenders peak around 28-33, so he's got so much time on his side.

27th November 2010, 18:08	#43 (permalink)
RedThaiDevils#7 First Team Sub Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Married with Manchester United, In love with Giggs, Is passionate about Scholes, and is rooting for Kagawa' Posts: 5,818	Should have done a lot more for Samba's header, I mean you don't leave the tallest player unmarked and unchallenged in the box... Wish he'd get back to his Ninja ways soon.

27th November 2010, 19:00	#44 (permalink)
MadDogg First Team Sub Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: “Manchester United never lose, they just run out of time” Posts: 6,864	I love you Jonny, but hit the fucking gym. He just gets out-muscled and pushed around constantly, and considering he's 6'2" or 6'3" it's obviously something that he can improve. Build up some strength and attack the aerial balls more and he'll start pushing the main two again.

27th November 2010, 20:04	#46 (permalink)
moyesmyhero Emmy Moses Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 4000+ miles west of old trafford Posts: 23,511	I had a hunch we would concede when he came on.

27th November 2010, 20:37	#47 (permalink)
TheReligion Abusive Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 11,996	He really does look dog shit at the minute Smalling is miles ahead

28th November 2010, 04:37	#49 (permalink)
girish I too love women...for their shoes. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Kerala,India Posts: 11,831	He got dominated by Samba. It was like he was Evans was trying to help him score by ducking under.

28th November 2010, 06:45	#51 (permalink)
lysglimt Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,575	People seem to ignore the fact that Samba gave him a push in the back - so basically Evans never had a chance. The goal should have been disallowed - and at 2-1 or 3-1 United - it probably would have

28th November 2010, 08:58	#52 (permalink)
togg Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Mike Phelan is a Looner Posts: 3,018	he's just lacking confidence. He has admitted himself that he doesn't quite know why he hasn't been playing well, so its not as though he doesn't know it himself. Good luck to him, he certainly has a big talent so lets hope he builds up that confidence again and plays like we know he can...

28th November 2010, 09:32	#53 (permalink)
Godfather First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Austria Posts: 9,930	Muscles and balls is what he lacks as of yet...when he bulks up a bit and let a pair of balls grow he will be class

28th November 2010, 09:43	#54 (permalink)
Fergies Formula Reserve Team Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Brighton Posts: 3,462	Another poor performance. He looks weak, slow and unfocused. Shape up and get down the gym. Has a lot to prove, Smalling has taken bigger strides in a smaller amount of time, Smalling also looks far more the stronger and cultured defender.

28th November 2010, 09:43	#55 (permalink)
Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "like a man in silk pyjamas shooting pigeons from a deckchair" Posts: 62,724	I don't understand all this talk about him needing to go through some dramatic physical and/or mental transformation to become a decent central defender. He's already proved he has what it takes and his poor form isn't because he's suddenly "bulked down". He's just not playing very well. Which happens. The short memories on here never cease to amaze. It's almost as though the dozens of top class PL performances Evans has already put in for United and Sunderland never happened and we're discussing some kid who might or might not cope with the step up from the reserves. All he needs is a run of games to regain his confidence and form. Hopefully he'll get those games in the domestic cup competitions, so he's ready to step up if needed in the bigger games at the end of the season.

28th November 2010, 12:56	#60 (permalink)
Dyslexic Untied First Team Sub Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 9,887	Adding a bit of muscle or grit to win more challenges, aerial ones as well, was always something people have wanted of him. I've said it myself several times, when he was playing well also. He has, IMO, always lost too many headers. Now more often than not the header is lost in an area which isn't dangerous, so goals don't usually come as a direct consequence of it. But losing headers will keep pressure on us, instead of turning pressure around. That's one of the beauties of Vidic. When we are playing a team with a big striker, and we are pushing for a goal, then they will hoof the ball up, hoping their Carew, Elmander or Drogba will get a hold of it, and keep it there so that the team can move up. Vidics denies them that, and in doing so he keeps United high in the field, still pushing for the goal. He will dominate almost every striker in the air, everytime. Evans hasn't been able to do that yet. In my opinion he struggles too often in the air. And not only against the Carews and Drogbas, but against an Anelka or Saha or other semigood headers as well. I don't think that has changed any now, but now his confidence, positioning etc is lacking as well. Something that wasn't lacking before.

28th November 2010, 13:31	#61 (permalink)
Enigma_87 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,421	Evans is player that relies in his confidence. When he's low on that he gets patchy. Which is perfectly understandable as he's too young for a CB to be judged on. He'll grow into it and become a better player. It's not like he has not proved he has what it takes to be playing at the highest level. His biggest problem is the lack of pace. A pacy defender could get away sometimes with bad positioning and decision making, but when he's a tad slow he is much more reliant on his concentration on the football pitch. When that is lacking he gets found out. Still he has time ahead of him and will become a better player. Saying Smalling is better than him after playing handful of matches is just silly. After the first bad patch and he would be crappier than Paul McShane.

30th November 2010, 21:05	#62 (permalink)
Sultan السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: It is better for a leader to make a mistake in forgiving than to make a mistake in punishing Posts: 34,193	The lads having a rough time. O'Shea looks even worse.

30th November 2010, 21:07	#63 (permalink)
MacMUFC Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,355	Needs to bulk up.

30th November 2010, 21:07	#64 (permalink)
Scholesy First Team Sub Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 'And Solskjær has won it' Posts: 9,455	Evans has to wake up. Although I think Wootton is a superb prospect and potentially Thorpe too.

30th November 2010, 21:09	#65 (permalink)
Devilton Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 6,481	Someone once tried to convince me he's better then Pique.

30th November 2010, 21:12	#66 (permalink)
Sunny Jim First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warsaw...that's too far away from Edinburgh... Posts: 16,266	Typical Evans goal again (that 3:0 one). Oi jhonny learn how to deal with crosses lad

30th November 2010, 21:12	#67 (permalink)
MacMUFC Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,355	Evans I have so much faith in you, but goodness gracious me.

30th November 2010, 21:13	#68 (permalink)
Sean_RedDevil Twitter bot Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Birmingham + Londinium Posts: 9,963	My god Evans is so fuckin shit. Bring on Wes and Evans should go back to the reserves

30th November 2010, 21:14	#69 (permalink)
Neil_Buchanan Cock'd Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bolton Posts: 1,947	looks very much out of form

30th November 2010, 21:14	#70 (permalink)
Sunny Jim First Team Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warsaw...that's too far away from Edinburgh... Posts: 16,266	Evans again

30th November 2010, 21:14	#71 (permalink)
lysglimt Reserve Team Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,575	I have lost faith in Evans as well - he is so bad it hurts to look at. He is being turned inside out by useless players

30th November 2010, 21:14	#72 (permalink)
MikeUpNorth Wobbles like a massive pair of tits Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 14,254	Seems to have completely lost it at the moment. Hope he sorts himself out soon.

30th November 2010, 21:15	#73 (permalink)
Chabon Reserve Team Player Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,997	He won't be playing for the club for awhile after this, shame, but he's nobody to blame but himself.

30th November 2010, 21:15	#74 (permalink)
sincher "I will cry if Rooney leaves" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: YSC Posts: 19,931	Ouch.

30th November 2010, 21:15	#75 (permalink)
Man-United First Team Sub Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9,414	Worst performance I've seen from a United player in years, he seem to not even care, fuck sake. Wes Brown should ask Fergie why the hell he's not playing when Evans is.

30th November 2010, 21:15	#76 (permalink)
mu77 Reserve Team Player Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 4,786	my mate said he'd get done by cole today. well he was right. he may have been pushed on the weekend but that's part and parcel of the position. you give some you get some. he's not tuned into his position at this moment.

30th November 2010, 21:17	#77 (permalink)
Sultan السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: It is better for a leader to make a mistake in forgiving than to make a mistake in punishing Posts: 34,193	People are forgetting Evans was so good last year we hardly missed Rio. He's just going through a crisis of confidence.

30th November 2010, 21:17	#78 (permalink)
Baby Faced Assassin Pastor of Muppets Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Offside Posts: 4,876	In retrospect Vidic should have started with Smalling. Evans managed to fuck up when we were 7-0 up against Blackburn.