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Old 30th November 2010, 21:19   #81 (permalink)
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It might be knee jerk but honestly I rather we play Brown, Oshea, Smalling or even bloody Carrick at centre back rather than him this season. Not been critical of him at all but today's been one of the most woeful performances I've seen from any centre back.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:19   #82 (permalink)
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I dont care what anyone says, i'm still 100% convinced he'll be a Manchester United reguarl defender in the future. Ferdinand was the same at that age and he turned out ok.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:20   #84 (permalink)
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Can't defend to save his life. I'd prefer not to see him in the squad again for the rest of the season. Since last season, he hasn't been up to playing.
It's December, ffs. What would putting him in the stiffs for half a season achieve?

All young players have these slumps. He'll be fine with a bit of hard work once the club help build back up his confidence.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:22   #85 (permalink)
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Ferdinand was the same at that age and he turned out ok.
Erm, no he wasn't.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:22   #86 (permalink)
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I don't understand how this guy went to the San Siro and played so well against Inter, played againt Drogba on 2-3 occassions and kept him quiet and was so solid against Stoke a few seasons back, yet has dished up rubbish all this season.

Has been a fucking disgrace all season, his positional play has been exposed today but his lack of strength against the likes of Cahill & Zamora has been most worrying. After today's perfromance he is definitely behind Smalling and might be behind Wes as well in the pecking order.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:22   #87 (permalink)
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He is looking worryingly shit. But best thing would be to give him another game ASAP rather than dumping him for weeks. Valencia at home might be a good one along side Vidic.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:23   #88 (permalink)
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What on earth has happened to the lad?
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:24   #89 (permalink)
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I dont care what anyone says, i'm still 100% convinced he'll be a Manchester United reguarl defender in the future. Ferdinand was the same at that age and he turned out ok.
Yeah like you know how Ferdinand did ten seasons ago.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:25   #90 (permalink)
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Shittest piece of defending I've seen in a while. Made himself look like an idiot. How did he get turned like that?!
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:25   #91 (permalink)
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It's December, ffs. What would putting him in the stiffs for half a season achieve?

All young players have these slumps. He'll be fine with a bit of hard work once the club help build back up his confidence.
I can't justify playing him over Rio, Vidic, Smalling, Brown, or O'Shea at CB. If his slump hadn't lasted so long or didn't always end up with us giving away goals, I'd be happy for him to play, but he hasn't given any reason for Fergie to play him.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:26   #92 (permalink)
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My concern is that a lot of the mistakes are actually just in the basics of the game. All young defenders make mistakes, but my worry is that this season he has seemed very out of touch in some very simple situations - and it's been in a lot of games now. He's clearly good enough as a footballer, but he needs to work on his sharpness both on the ground and in the air.

Form-wise, he definitely needs a jolt.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:26   #93 (permalink)
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Yup, he's pretty shit currently
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:29   #94 (permalink)
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I dont care what anyone says, i'm still 100% convinced he'll be a Manchester United reguarl defender in the future. Ferdinand was the same at that age and he turned out ok.
like fuck he was. the same how? dropping a bollock now and then, yes.

but ferdinand had lightyears more pace, agility, and technique. He had tons more attributes in his tool box to fall back on compared to evans. That said, evans will be fine..he's be a united stalwart a la wes brown.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:32   #95 (permalink)
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People are forgetting Evans was so good last year we hardly missed Rio.

He's just going through a crisis of confidence.
When he's bad he can be shocking. I suspect he needs toughening up mentally. Hopefully Fergie can do something because he has the makings of a top player.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:35   #96 (permalink)
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Lacking in form and confidence. It shouldnt be a difficult concept to grasp so not sure why so many of you are confused. It happens players all the time.

Needs a couple of months out of the spotlight. He'll bounce back
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:38   #97 (permalink)
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Needs to be given a run in the reserves before he's let out into the first team again. Shocking performance. Needs to get some confidence back.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:38   #98 (permalink)
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like fuck he was. the same how? dropping a bollock now and then, yes.

but ferdinand had lightyears more pace, agility, and technique. He had tons more attributes in his tool box to fall back on compared to evans. That said, evans will be fine..he's be a united stalwart a la wes brown.
I was referring to mistakes/lack of concentration, not ability.
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I was referring to mistakes/lack of concentration, not ability.
He never did the things Evans is doing at the moment, he made a mistake every now and again but basic defending he has always done well.
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Smalling has matured quicker than Evans and has more confidence on the ball. Evans has not even scored for us even though this is his third season playing for the first team. Smalling has scored two already playing 5 months in the first team.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:44   #101 (permalink)
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Is playing like an off-form Carrick in central defence at the moment.

Probably confidence related, but what we should always ask of all our players, regardless of form is that they get stuck in. He has been too light in way too many challenges all season long. Needs the kick up the ass from Ferguson I think.

He has already proven himself though, and we all know what he is capable of on form.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:45   #102 (permalink)
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Smalling has matured quicker than Evans and has more confidence on the ball. Evans has not even scored for us even though this is his third season playing for the first team. Smalling has scored two already playing 5 months in the first team.
Why are you counting Smallings pre season goal but then not countings Evans against Ireland XI?

Anyway young defender has dip in form shock horror.

To be fair I'm probably not as distraught at this defeat as I should be.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:47   #103 (permalink)
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He looked a very good prospect next to Rio and Vida. But on form these are two of the very best CBs in the world capable of walking their partner through most kinds of matches. Next to anyone else he's not looked even half as good. I think its fair to mention Smalling hasnt looked quite as good when not paired with our top CBs too, but he's still looked good. Not completely and utterly useless.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:48   #104 (permalink)
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Evans is terrible at the moment, absolutely dire. He just can't handle any kind of physical battle which is very worrying for a centre half.

At the moment, Smalling is miles ahead.
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Why are you counting Smallings pre season goal but then not countings Evans against Ireland XI?
Oh my bad. I thought the header goal he scored for England U-21 was for us.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:51   #106 (permalink)
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That was a terrible defensive display. He needs to go back to basics. Something is clearly missing with his game at the moment and it's costing us. I'm sure he will find his way back to form with more time and patience though.
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Old 30th November 2010, 21:55   #107 (permalink)
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I don't think he'll be on the teamsheet for a few weeks.
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Old 30th November 2010, 22:06   #108 (permalink)
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Fergie was pissed and rightly so.

Let's put things into context here - that is the first game in 8 years in which CARLTON PISSING COLE has scored 2 goals in a game.If you can't handle Carlton Cole you have problems not just as a Manchester United player but as a defender in general. Absolutely shocking.
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Old 30th November 2010, 22:07   #109 (permalink)
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Tricky one for Fergie, Evans looks lost out there right now, I mean the errors he is making are basic fundamentals of defending, I think maybe a few reserve games may be in order.
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Old 30th November 2010, 22:07   #110 (permalink)
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I dont care what anyone says, i'm still 100% convinced he'll be a Manchester United reguarl defender in the future. Ferdinand was the same at that age and he turned out ok.
Rio was accident prone - as in an accident every few games. That's not what Evans is going through.

If we're lucky he's going through some kind of growing pains - mentally or physically - and he's not our current third best centre back. No one will begrudge him some more growing up time, if that's all he needs.

Otherwise, he'll be playing for another club next year.
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Old 30th November 2010, 22:09   #112 (permalink)
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Cost us a goal Against Blackburn when he came on and two today . Have we kept a clean sheet with him in the team this season??
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Old 30th November 2010, 22:11   #113 (permalink)
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Cost us a goal Against Blackburn when he came on and two today . Have we kept a clean sheet with him in the team this season??
He has been at fault on numerous occasions for nearly all the same type of thing. Being too indecisive and physically weak.
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Poor performances are one thing but his sheer lack of effort for Cole's goals was a disgrace. Hopefully getting dragged off will make him wise up.
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Old 30th November 2010, 22:14   #115 (permalink)
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Cost us a goal Against Blackburn when he came on and two today . Have we kept a clean sheet with him in the team this season??
Call a spade a spade he was only partially at fault for the 4th goal. Rafael was easily beat on the right for the cross that eventually led to the goal.

The lambasting Evans is getting on here really is boarding on pathetic.
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Call a spade a spade he was only partially at fault for the 4th goal. Rafael was easily beat on the right for the cross that eventually led to the goal.

The lambasting Evans is getting on here really is boarding on pathetic.
Partially at fault?
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Old 30th November 2010, 22:19   #117 (permalink)
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the biggest thing that worries me is a certain pattern- he doesn't know how to defend crosses. when the ball arrives he neither marks his man nor jumps to head it out. he does nothing to prevent a striker from scoring.

Everton game, Blackburn and tonite's game can serve as an example
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he looks weak and his body does not look as thou its developed over the last 12 months,physically needs to srengthen up,Will not make the grade with us after looking a certainty 18 months ago.
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I hope Evans does not read this forum. The amount of battering he is receiving here will want him to leave football all together.
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the biggest thing that worries me is a certain pattern- he doesn't know how to defend crosses. when the ball arrives he neither marks his man nor jumps to head it out. he does nothing to prevent a striker from scoring.

Everton game, Blackburn and tonite's game can serve as an example
Add Fulham to his errors list..

And Bolton..
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